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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 10:34:40 GMT -5
Riga email today: "A major component of establishing our program as a post-season contender each season is a facility renovation. We have started working toward that important project, and had an opportunity to receive feedback on initial concepts from a small group of program alumni and stakeholders this past weekend at Sacred Heart. I know that our hockey community is passionate about the potential of our program, and I look forward to sharing more information on this topic in the coming months." As this conversation was @ SHU, it sounds as if this was a meeting with prospective donors from NYC, Westchester, Fairfield County etc., to discuss options & associated funding levels, and level of donor interest and buy-in..
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Post by matunuck on Jan 27, 2023 12:56:21 GMT -5
My thought too.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 27, 2023 14:46:19 GMT -5
Having an on-campus rink or a nearby rink dedicated to the team (thinking about RMU and the Island Sports Center) is huge both for recruiting but also just morale. My high school played at a nearby, public rink which we shared with Tufts University (varsity not even a club team) and the local junior club team. Each organization had a dedicated varsity locker room decked out in the school colors with a custom carpet and nice lockers, but I couldn't imagine being a NCAA varsity hockey player and having a locker room the size of a broom closet. At least HC is ahead of Mercyhurst (their most recent renovation might have been painting the beams green as the only time I was there I feel like they were a regular old neutral color). First RIT opened their barn, then it was Canisius in the LECOM Harborcenter (not on campus), Bentley, and now Sacred Heart. When UConn was in the conference, they still played at the Freitas Ice Forum. The Toscano Forum at UConn is beautiful and certainly befitting a Hockey East team. The Niagara rink is similar to ours but is newer so perhaps the facilities are a bit better and larger. Point is, we are at or near the bottom of capacity in all of D1, but not far off from some other Atlantic Hockey teams. I guess the rink project will tell us a lot about the direction of our program, conferences, etc. And you got AIC playing in the biggest building in the conference.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 27, 2023 17:08:20 GMT -5
Riga email today: "A major component of establishing our program as a post-season contender each season is a facility renovation. We have started working toward that important project, and had an opportunity to receive feedback on initial concepts from a small group of program alumni and stakeholders this past weekend at Sacred Heart. I know that our hockey community is passionate about the potential of our program, and I look forward to sharing more information on this topic in the coming months." As this conversation was @ SHU, it sounds as if this was a meeting with prospective donors from NYC, Westchester, Fairfield County etc., to discuss options & associated funding levels, and level of donor interest and buy-in.. Smart to have such a meeting in the fancy new SHU barn. “This is what a school like SHU is doing. Are you rich people going to sit idly by or are you going to pony up so we can get ahead in this arms race?”
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Post by hchoops on Jan 27, 2023 17:40:53 GMT -5
Do you puck people the plan is for expanding the Hart or a separate structure ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 27, 2023 18:57:05 GMT -5
Do you puck people the plan is for expanding the Hart or a separate structure ? ADKH indirectly indicated a new rink is too expensive. IIRC, he explicitly said HC would not be paying what UConn is paying for its new rink: $70 million.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 27, 2023 20:38:44 GMT -5
Praying we can blow out a wall (brings roof engineering into play which is $$$). Perhaps if we had enough room to reorient the rink surface such that the endzones are where the stands/Bud Ryan room are. We don't need stands behind the endzones but seating sections on both sides would be nice. Orienting the rink this way should allow for more room for stands in the front and back and would only mean moving the walls slightly if at all (considering the depth of the current stands).
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Post by timholycross on Jan 28, 2023 11:04:45 GMT -5
You still had spectator bans at different times in 2021-22, so here's the figures that make the most sense to look at, in my opinion: www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-i-men/2019-2020/I can see from this chart why AIC's seating diagram at Mass Mutual doesn't include the upper level.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 28, 2023 11:14:22 GMT -5
Going to an AIC game at the Mass Mutual Center is like going to a mausoleum for a game. Very little atmosphere in a cavernous, off-campus and mostly empty building. And yet they’ve still been very successful.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 28, 2023 14:40:03 GMT -5
Going to an AIC game at the Mass Mutual Center is like going to a mausoleum for a game. Very little atmosphere in a cavernous, off-campus and mostly empty building. And yet they’ve still been very successful. A head coach that will go to the end of the Earth to find the best recruits (that they have a legit chance at committing). All through an Admissions Office that really only has 1 requirement: a heart beat. And clearly a school and Athletic Dept that supports the above as a driver of school brand, reputation, and potential growth.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 28, 2023 14:57:26 GMT -5
Going to an AIC game at the Mass Mutual Center is like going to a mausoleum for a game. Very little atmosphere in a cavernous, off-campus and mostly empty building. And yet they’ve still been very successful. A head coach that will go to the end of the Earth to find the best recruits (that they have a legit chance at committing). All through an Admissions Office that really only has 1 requirement: a heart beat. And clearly a school and Athletic Dept that supports the above as a driver of school brand, reputation, and potential growth. A head coach that is an alum of the school also
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 28, 2023 15:00:49 GMT -5
A head coach that will go to the end of the Earth to find the best recruits (that they have a legit chance at committing). All through an Admissions Office that really only has 1 requirement: a heart beat. And clearly a school and Athletic Dept that supports the above as a driver of school brand, reputation, and potential growth. A head coach that is an alum of the school also We had that for 19 years. The guy won 3 league titles, 2 NCAA appearances including the biggest upset in D1 Hockey history in 2006. At a school that makes you sell your soul to get through the Admissions process. All of the above wasn't enough for the school to give the guy a decent rink. He's now at Cushing Academy -- they are 13-1-3 currently. Go figure.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 28, 2023 16:14:23 GMT -5
A head coach that is an alum of the school also We had that for 19 years. The guy won 3 league titles, 2 NCAA appearances including the biggest upset in D1 Hockey history in 2006. At a school that makes you sell your soul to get through the Admissions process. All of the above wasn't enough for the school to give the guy a decent rink. He's now at Cushing Academy -- they are 13-1-3 currently. Go figure. Not really that impressive in 19 years. Lang has four regular season titles, three postseason titles (no tourney in 2020), and a NCAA victory in seven years behind the bench. He also has had an Olympian in that stretch.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 29, 2023 4:05:57 GMT -5
AIC is a one trick pony. One sport, men’s ice hockey, playing D1, without a comparable women’s team being sponsored on a varsity level. In two games this season, HC split the wins in Springfield. Review the AIC athletic facilities for their other programs, Apples to Oranges regarding institutional support.
When the CBA decision was made in 2014-2015, regarding the Luth Complex, building the IPF benefits 10 varsity teams in their practices and workouts during inclement weather. Building new or an extensive renovation of the ice rink benefits only two teams. I fully support continued updating of all of our facilities, academic, athletic and student services such as housing and recreation, rationale prioritization is necessary. Next on the docket regarding athletics is upper field complex. Field Hockey and Track was upgraded last summer, which benefits 5 sponsored programs. An updated Smith Stadium with sprint turf will benefit 4 sponsored programs, M/W Soccer and Lacrosse, and the additional seating will benefit Field Hockey and Track. A new softball complex is well past due, and mist be completed in the next five years. Meanwhile upgraded housing is immediately necessary to accommodate our now larger class size and to attract highly qualified students across the academic and athletic spectrum.
I hear the frustration of Hockey Alums regarding the facility, and agree that a full renovation is needed. I enjoy hockey, and spent time while in school watching our team play, taking a trip with the team up to Colby, (which provided a catalyst for the Hart design with a two venue facility) and a less than fun evening seeing HC play MIT in an outdoor rink in Cambridge in late January. Wind was whipping off the Charles, and there were no seats. My toes still feel the bitter cold 50 years later. At the time, HC played in the Worcester Arena that had chicken wire instead of plexiglass above the boards, but at least it was an indoor facility.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 29, 2023 9:07:54 GMT -5
What I remember about the Worcester Arena (was there only once) was that the ceiling was at most half the height of the Hart Center's.
Got to see the last period of a HC game then what we came for, a high school game. Even to a kid, it was noticeable how much faster the high school kids skated than Holy Cross' team. The program's come a long way since then.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 29, 2023 10:04:04 GMT -5
Too bad cooler heads did not prevail with the previous coach regarding the divide. I found him personable and friendly when our paths crossed.
Looking at the Theodore Iorio Rink at Cushing, it certainly is not an upgrade physically or aesthetically than the current Hart Rink, which I would not expect it to be considering it is at a Prep School. Maybe if he had stayed, HC would be further down the path in completing the funding of a renovated Hart Rink and the Hockey program would not have taken a nose dive with the coach that succeeded him.
The Kingswood Oxford Prep School Rink on campus in Connecticut no longer serves as an ice rink, the school gave up sport, and converted the building to an indoor track and tennis center. HC played several games in that building against Trinity College when both were D3 programs.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 29, 2023 16:58:14 GMT -5
You still had spectator bans at different times in 2021-22, so here's the figures that make the most sense to look at, in my opinion: www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-i-men/2019-2020/I can see from this chart why AIC's seating diagram at Mass Mutual doesn't include the upper level. at least we are over 50% of capacity in that figure. I remember as recently as 5 or so years ago being near 100%. I imagine with less than 4000 people let alone less than 1000, AIC doesn't even offer seating in the upper level of the arena (8000k capacity iirc). Might cost to much to operate facilities at the additional level also.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 29, 2023 19:33:25 GMT -5
You still had spectator bans at different times in 2021-22, so here's the figures that make the most sense to look at, in my opinion: www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-i-men/2019-2020/I can see from this chart why AIC's seating diagram at Mass Mutual doesn't include the upper level. at least we are over 50% of capacity in that figure. I remember as recently as 5 or so years ago being near 100%. I imagine with less than 4000 people let alone less than 1000, AIC doesn't even offer seating in the upper level of the arena (8000k capacity iirc). Might cost too much to operate facilities at the additional level also. Last time I was there, I sat at center ice up pretty high. There is only one level now.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 30, 2023 19:35:59 GMT -5
I remember going to a couple of games vs AIC at the old Olympia. Better atmosphere imo. Facilities were obviously different and somewhat substandard.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 30, 2023 20:22:29 GMT -5
AIC drew about 200 a game at the Olympia before they got good.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 30, 2023 20:52:20 GMT -5
AIC drew about 200 a game at the Olympia before they got good. Holy Cross is averaging 439 this year and AIC is averaging 298.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 31, 2023 10:09:45 GMT -5
AIC drew about 200 a game at the Olympia before they got good. Holy Cross is averaging 439 this year and AIC is averaging 298. Quality NCAA hockey arenas are not judged very much on attendance, especially in the AHA where attendance is typically lower than any other league. However, arenas are judged heavily on all the ancillary services and design elements that benefit the student-athletes and coaches. (eg. locker rooms, video, kitchens, lounges, offices, weight rooms, sports medicine, puck shooting rooms. Hence, why AIC since the move to the downtown arena is never brought up in the discussions of terrible arenas -- but why Holy Cross is seemingly everyday.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 2, 2023 20:57:10 GMT -5
I played college hockey in the early 70's. Played against AIC at the Coliseum on the grounds of the Big E...and I played a lot of games at the Worcester arena...That place was a dump, but it had great ice! Worcester now has the Railers new facility near Polar Park. 2 rinks, Worcester State plays there games there..and the best place to watch a game is at Fitchburg State's rink...I played my home games there in the early 70's when it was a brand new building...It doesn't have all the bells and whistles a big time program wants. Marlboro also has a rink complex...I've been to Merrimack many times. there renovation addition is very nice..2 rinks, and a very nice home locker room suite...
If HC was to undergo a big renovation, there are options for both teams to keep playing ..
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Post by cruskater31 on Feb 6, 2023 13:17:04 GMT -5
There's also Buffone Rink near the Lake, which is neither good nor bad, but the facilities are decent. I played there quite a bit during the summers while I was at HC. The Hart always took out the ice in the Spring, but Buffone (the Railers did not exist at the time) still had ice. I filled in at goalie for a senior hockey league called the "Rusty Blades." The ice was soft in the summer but I never played there in the winter time.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 14, 2023 20:33:30 GMT -5
There's also Buffone Rink near the Lake, which is neither good nor bad, but the facilities are decent. I played there quite a bit during the summers while I was at HC. The Hart always took out the ice in the Spring, but Buffone (the Railers did not exist at the time) still had ice. I filled in at goalie for a senior hockey league called the "Rusty Blades." The ice was soft in the summer but I never played there in the winter time. I played my Junior and Senior high school seasons at what know is called Buffone, it was Lake Ave when it opened in the fall of '68..There are rinks all over the state that were built to handle the huge uptick in hockey at the time..All the rinks were run run by the State, and all were built exactly the same! There is one in Auburn also now..Not well designed for hockey, locker rooms were closets, couldn't fit a whole team in them, even with no equipment! The second year Buffone was open, plywood walls were put up in the corners of the building that served as dressing rooms..No showers, toilets, heat or locker stalls....A few years later a larger locker room complex was build as an addition to the building..It has been many years since I have been in that place! The ice was always soft, the building wasn't cold enough..But it was a huge upgrade from the Webster Square rink! I saw the Rusty Blades play a game against the Bruins Alumni in that rink!
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