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Post by rgs318 on May 6, 2022 7:11:31 GMT -5
Ever hear of this test? It was new to me. I thought it might interest some on Crossports. (The full article about this is in NJEA Review and on NJEA.org.)
The test was created by two women (each a lesbian cartoonist) to determine what media do not have anti-female and anti-LGBTQ bias. It consists of three simple points.
1. The film must have two or more female characters.
2. They must talk to each other.
3. That talk must be about something other than men.
Back in the 1980 the only film that met that set of "rules" was Alien. In 2020 only 6 Oscar winners met those criteria. This has developed into the Moran-Okeson test for LGBTQ inclusion in curricula. (PS: The authors of the NJEA Article are Moran and Okeson.) Its three points are:
1. LGBTQIA+ people and contributions (and/or issues) are explicitly included in course curricula.
2. LGBTQIA+ people and contributions (and/or issues) are studied each school year in each grade, content area and class.
3. LGBTQIA+ people are represented in a way that is accurate, affirming, compassionate and three-dimensional.
Remember that a classic statement about curriculum is that it is a statement of priorities.
Comments?
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Post by timholycross on May 6, 2022 7:29:03 GMT -5
In math and computer science (my major at HC and grad school; my chosen field later in life), I have no idea who is, was any of the above. Nor did I need to know; nor did I, or do I, care if I knew.
How long will this post last before it's shut down?
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Post by rgs318 on May 6, 2022 8:43:34 GMT -5
I had a position quite similar to yours. However, I also respect diversity of opinion and enjoy discussions with those who may hold other views. I am not sure why it would be censored, but if it is that could be quite a statement on the topic as well.
In case you are wondering about how this relates to math or science (and I did), I have been told that some (many?) members of LGBTQAI+ communities believe that recognition was denied to people in these fields because they were placed by some into one or more of the groups some find "objectionable."
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 6, 2022 9:09:43 GMT -5
Ever hear of this test? It was new to me. I thought it might interest some on Crossports. (The full article about this is in NJEA Review and on NJEA.org.) The test was created by two women (each a lesbian cartoonist) to determine what media do not have anti-female and anti-LGBTQ bias. It consists of three simple points. 1. The film must have two or more female characters. 2. They must talk to each other. 3. That talk must be about something other than men. Back in the 1980 the only film that met that set of "rules" was Alien. In 2020 only 6 Oscar winners met those criteria. This has developed into the Moran-Okeson test for LGBTQ inclusion in curricula. (PS: The authors of the NJEA Article are Moran and Okeson.) Its three points are: 1. LGBTQIA+ people and contributions (and/or issues) are explicitly included in course curricula. 2. LGBTQIA+ people and contributions (and/or issues) are studied each school year in each grade, content area and class. 3. LGBTQIA+ people are represented in a way that is accurate, affirming, compassionate and three-dimensional. Remember that a classic statement about curriculum is that it is a statement of priorities. Comments? I have heard of this test. I think the simple point of the test was to show that LGBTQ people are often (almost always?) stereotyped, caricatured, diminished in the arts (and elsewhere). I find it can generate some interesting discussions. |
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Post by mm67 on May 6, 2022 9:10:03 GMT -5
Isn't the NJEA the umbrella union for the teachers? It is not the NJ Dep't of Ed. Maybe it was merely a proposal by some group w/ithin the union. If so, it would have little weight. Can't imagine the teachers staging a walkout if the schools don't include LGBQT+ as mentioned. I would tell them to stuff it and have little doubt that I would win.
In my HS SS AH class I refused to take class time to demonstrate the method of putting on a condom using an unripe banana. I countered I was not licensed in condomania and it was not under my purview. They backed off. The banana lesson was taught in other health classes.
A friend's daughter was filling out an application to teach Math in a NY Archdiocesan school. On the application she was asked to provide examples of how she could promote church teaching in teaching her subject matter. I saw the application and tried to help. She BS'ed about triangles & the Trinity as per yours truly. She got the gig & ignored the triangles. After a few years she left for a better paying job in the public sector.
It might be helpful to speak to a NJ public school teacher and ask some questions. Have they ever been told by the administration about this test? If so, what was the reaction? Do they explicitly implement the LGBQTA+ stuff? At every grade level, starting with kindergarten?
A friend told me that In Florida the gay stuff was in fact not part of teaching in the primary grades. The kerfuffle was much ado about nuthin'.
We're in the crazy season.
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Post by rgs318 on May 6, 2022 9:29:36 GMT -5
Valid questions all:
1. Yes, the NJEA review is the official publication of the New Jersey Teachers' Association. It is not a "proposal," it is an article in that publication. The requirement to include LGBTQAI+ in the curriculum is a state mandate for schools. The test men toned is not the only one that can be used.
2. NJ earlier had mandated teaching the "full life cycle" including death/grief. However, that was never enforced.
3. A teacher who refuses to teach the state curriculum can be fired with cause (and loss of state pension). You could probably make an interesting case out of this is you wished.
4. The whole "Don't Say Gay" uproar in Florida came from politicians...from Democrat talking points to be specific. The wording was theirs. Sexual orientation was never part of any Florida curriculum in grades K through 3. That was just an attempt to score political points.
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Post by mm67 on May 6, 2022 10:59:51 GMT -5
As to the question of curriculum: Did the state mandate specifics as to LGBTQAI+ - subject matter, lessons, outcomes in various courses such as Chem? Math? Various histories Eco, etc on all levels. I could understand in gov't class /AH class covering as part of a unit on expansion of democracy. This unit explores the expansion of democracy, Civil Rights for all minorities part of which would cover questions of segregation, discrimination against various groups - Jewish folks, Catholic immigrants, women, Native Americans, of course African Americans and LGBQT+ folks as part of the story of the unending effort to strive for a more perfect union. There were HS electives "Problems of American Democracy" and "Sociology" which would be more appropriate as part of the course curriculum. Possibly in health class on human sexuality? But for every course on every level such a mandate would seem to me to be gratuitous and ridiculous.
As you know thank God firing is a difficult long process involving, grievance, arbitration, and if need be the courts. Tenure is designed to protect teachers from this type of political interference.
I would check it out with public school teachers. I suspect it is largely ignored.
It was unfortunate the full cycle , death/grief wasn't included at least as part of a health course. It is much needed especially in today's world.It's exclusion is loss for the students.
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Post by rgs318 on May 6, 2022 12:21:49 GMT -5
I happened to design the first high school curriculum on death and grief. I taught it for 25+ years. The state never provided any recommendations and after a few years even denied they had ever had that requirement. They (like me) followed the stance of Tom Lehrer who said, "I will not only refuse to defend what I said, I will deny I said it in the first place."  |
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Post by mm67 on May 6, 2022 13:23:33 GMT -5
Rest easy. You did right as you saw the right to be. You answer to no man!
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Post by rgs318 on May 6, 2022 14:47:15 GMT -5
...or woman? |
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 10, 2022 8:58:06 GMT -5
As an adult, I increasingly care less and less about the private parts of other humans that still-other humans find attractive, and use for their own personal enjoyment. It's about as relevant to my life as to what music someone is interested in. Maybe I like what you like, maybe what you enjoy offends my senses. Either way, if you like Smashing Pumpkins or smashing pumpkins, be my guest.
The fact that historically-subjugated or marginalized groups have swelling (pun intended) momentum to be "included" is changing our capitalist, meritocracy into one where we have to "look" right. Like we're a brochure. I was listening to an old James Earl Jones interview yesterday about Broadway. Who cares what they look like. Can they perform, deliver true art, evoke a reaction... those things are skill and are not the result of someone's heritage, race, or private part preference (PPP).
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Post by rgs318 on May 10, 2022 10:19:14 GMT -5
What if someone's heritage, race or "part preference" prevents that person from ever getting a chance to show their skills? [Anyone else remember the years when all movie "Indians" were played by Italians and Native Americans could not get a job in Hollywood?}
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Post by longsuffering on May 10, 2022 11:10:35 GMT -5
What if the protest outlives the reality? When is it time to stand down and concentrate on existential issues like climate change, war and peace?
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Post by rgs318 on May 10, 2022 11:11:54 GMT -5
It that now an "either/or" situation?
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Post by longsuffering on May 10, 2022 12:01:19 GMT -5
It that now an "either/or" situation? I wish I could be as decisive as UFC ring announcer Bruce Buffer when he bellows "It's Ti-i-i-me!" In reality, victimhood is hard to relinquish so it may never be time. |
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 10, 2022 12:47:26 GMT -5
What if the protest outlives the reality? When is it time to stand down and concentrate on existential issues like climate change, war and peace? The black people I know are subjected to micro aggressions (and worse) every day. Incidents of violence against Asian-Americans has soared. Anti-semitism is on the rise. There is a large incidence of suicide amongst trans people. I could go on. The protests may have outlived your reality but they have not outlived the reality of those who experience bigotry and hatred on a regular basis. I'm not sure why we can't start treating everyone with love and dignity while also working on climate change, etc. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 10, 2022 12:53:53 GMT -5
The Mikado was written by an Englishman about the Japanese and a prominent original role was played by a Scot. Maybe then it was about opportunities they couldn't have. What about if that opera was put on now? Would every actor have to be Japanese as to not disallow a Japanese singer a chance? What if they couldn't sing? Or sing better than someone with Western heritage who sang better? Does Othello have to be played by a black person? Does Shylock have to be played by a Jew? And on and on...
I saw an add for Disney plus about a "cool" boy who likes to design sneakers named "El" (played by Chosen Jacobs, that's his real name). The movie is Sneakerella, because young black boys don't have a chance to be fashion designer Disney princesses, blessed by their fairy godmother to attend the ball? Does everything have to be remade? I recommend you watch the Pat Tomasulo comedy act on Black Lives Matter and the impact on the original Jake from State Farm for the humorous take.
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Post by mm67 on May 10, 2022 12:54:37 GMT -5
People have various pressing needs as they see fit. It is not up to me to decide for them. My job is to listen, learn and try to understand. Climate, war , etc are pressing issues but poverty, acceptance, etc are also important.
Action on one does not negate action on the other. After all we can walk & chew gum at the same time.
And the answer lies in the age old maxim to love one another.
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Post by alum on May 10, 2022 14:51:41 GMT -5
As an adult, I increasingly care less and less about the private parts of other humans that still-other humans find attractive, and use for their own personal enjoyment. It's about as relevant to my life as to what music someone is interested in. Maybe I like what you like, maybe what you enjoy offends my senses. Either way, if you like Smashing Pumpkins or smashing pumpkins, be my guest. The fact that historically-subjugated or marginalized groups have swelling (pun intended) momentum to be "included" is changing our capitalist, meritocracy into one where we have to "look" right. Like we're a brochure. I was listening to an old James Earl Jones interview yesterday about Broadway. Who cares what they look like. Can they perform, deliver true art, evoke a reaction... those things are skill and are not the result of someone's heritage, race, or private part preference (PPP). You understand that this meritocracy you recall wasn't a meritocracy at all. The game was fixed. Some people were excluded because of their sex or race or socioeconomic background or religion or sexual orientation. Now, I don't disagree that we have made a lot of progress, but we certainly haven't moved completely beyond our past. If you don't like Cinderella being retold from a different perspective, don't watch. But, let me remind you that people have been retelling stories with twists and different perspectives for thousands of years. Think about how many times the story of Antigone has been told. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 10, 2022 15:33:12 GMT -5
What if the protest outlives the reality? When is it time to stand down and concentrate on existential issues like climate change, war and peace? The black people I know are subjected to micro aggressions (and worse) every day. Incidents of violence against Asian-Americans has soared. Anti-semitism is on the rise. There is a large incidence of suicide amongst trans people. I could go on. The protests may have outlived your reality but they have not outlived the reality of those who experience bigotry and hatred on a regular basis. I'm not sure why we can't start treating everyone with love and dignity while also working on climate change, etc. Interestingly I, and I suspect many HC community members have been practicing subtle micro courtesies to combat racism and other bigotty in our own small way for decades. I hope that balances some of the micro aggressions. 100% acceptance of equality having been reached is probably not possible because nine out of ten people generally think the other guy is getting a better deal, which is part of human nature (and fueling the transfer portal). We haven't eliminated all bigotry but reverse racism resentment is flourishing in some quarters. I guess my point is that sometimes the outrage and protest seems like a lot of energy that if focused on moving forward without protest might chip away at racism and bigotry just as fast. As an example when you get a referral to a Specialist and you show up to discover your surgeon/clinician is a woman of color with a foriegn accent who is very knowledgeable and you receive expert care, that might advance equality and acceptance as much as a segment of outrage you see on the news. I know, you can go to medical school and attend an occasional march for justice. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 10, 2022 16:00:20 GMT -5
I also think people who are struggling with their own challenges don't enjoy getting lectured to by others about what more they need to do. (Not referring to Crossports contributors)
The stock phrase "Much has been achieved but much is left to do" while true, might take some well earned time off without turning back the clock in the drive for equality.
It's like finally finishing washing all the dishes and being told there's still window washing and vacuuming to do. Time to feel good about the changes in society the baby boomers and the greatest generation before them have ushered in.
Civil Rights leaders like MLK wrote the check, but everyday Anericans cashed it. I feel good about the progress I've seen.
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Post by mm67 on May 10, 2022 16:18:59 GMT -5
Try to open your eyes & hearts. If you have not been there then accept the fact that you might not understand. And, be careful to avoid paternalism by telling people that they don't know what is happening but outsiders do & then "patiently" lecture others about their circumstances.
With all due respect some do not know whereof they speak.
How might I know?
I approached these issues with the unlimited confidence of the inexperienced ignorant. Then married into a beautiful, brilliant, dignified African - American lady, Ivy educated (pre-affirmative action for those who invalidate it) Wife's credentials? HS grad at 15, Barnard undergraduate, Columbia grad degree - an incredibly accomplished brilliant woman. Yet, she had to deal countless times with put downs, micro aggressions with the underlying message that she was an inferior black in a white man's zoo. I saw it up close, first hand & personal. Learned from 40 years with her but sadly she has passed. Tread carefully, avoid overly broad pronouncements about that which in reality you know nothing.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 11, 2022 15:18:20 GMT -5
Try to open your eyes & hearts. If you have not been there then accept the fact that you might not understand. And, be careful to avoid paternalism by telling people that they don't know what is happening but outsiders do & then "patiently" lecture others about their circumstances. With all due respect some do not know whereof they speak. How might I know? I approached these issues with the unlimited confidence of the inexperienced ignorant. Then married into a beautiful, brilliant, dignified African - American lady, Ivy educated (pre-affirmative action for those who invalidate it) Wife's credentials? HS grad at 15, Barnard undergraduate, Columbia grad degree - an incredibly accomplished brilliant woman. Yet, she had to deal countless times with put downs, micro aggressions with the underlying message that she was an inferior black in a white man's zoo. I saw it up close, first hand & personal. Learned from 40 years with her but sadly she has passed. Tread carefully, avoid overly broad pronouncements about that which in reality you know nothing. Some look at black people who have achieved success and see their success as a sign America has overcome its racism problem, but the most accomplished black people I've met (academics, CEO's, attorneys, etc.) deal with racism constantly. |
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Post by rgs318 on May 11, 2022 15:23:47 GMT -5
My experience is similar to yours. The fact that some have overcome the racism they faced does not mean it does not still exist.
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