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Post by Ignutz on Jul 2, 2022 9:42:20 GMT -5
Massey 65 Holy Cross 76 Fordham 86 Colgate 91 Lafayette 99 Lehigh 113 Bucknell 114 Georgetown IMHO: This is based on Massey's stats from last year and his low rank of the PL. His list ranks Merrimack at #119, Sacred Heart at #97 and has Stonehill at #1. It is interesting that he ranks Yale ahead of HC by 2 spots - but makes HC a favorite in our game with them. I included Massey simply as a comparison...his ranks are often wildly different from other lists until after the second game (at least). Note that while Stonehill shows up at the top of Massey’s list, they don’t have a number. The Dakota schools are, as expected, start the actual rankings.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 2, 2022 10:01:45 GMT -5
My bad...thanks.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 2, 2022 10:28:34 GMT -5
Meanwhile, as many as three PL teams could finish with two or fewer wins this season. Three. And the league doesn't care. looking at the posted rosters HC returning 66% SS, SR & JRs Fordham - 60% GR, SR & JRs rest of PL 50% or less
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 2, 2022 11:44:04 GMT -5
First Vince,
Then BC replies,
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 2, 2022 11:46:54 GMT -5
I don't know about you, but I think this message from President Rougeau is a huge positive signal for HC athletics
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Post by hchoops on Jul 2, 2022 12:33:18 GMT -5
Well, at least for HC football.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 2, 2022 13:01:51 GMT -5
Meanwhile, as many as three PL teams could finish with two or fewer wins this season. Three. And the league doesn't care. If Georgetown University was Georgecostanza University would they have scholarships and be competitive? It seems like the GU PTB are relying on their school's near-Ivy academic status to do more than it is able to in attracting scholarship level FCS football players in competition with the real Ivies one step above academically and the scholarship PL teams one step below. And the PL PTB are so eager to be considered near Ivy they are happy to oblige.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 2, 2022 14:02:06 GMT -5
Perhaps the GU PTB read “The Last Amateurs” and figured they’d lead the way the way Fr. Brooks did at Holy Cross. Perhaps they should be admired for their perseverance?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 2, 2022 14:44:16 GMT -5
As Dear Abby asked "Are we better off with them or without them?" With them. But I hope they figure out a winning formula before too long.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 2, 2022 14:46:56 GMT -5
If the PTB at Georgetown wanted to pick up the mantel of “The Last Amateurs” , they would join the Patriot League for all sports, without scholarships. As long as they belong to the Big East conference and fund scholarships in their Olympic sports, they are disingenuous. Something smell so on the Hilltop, and it is not the Potomac below.
As long as the Ivy League Schools, particularly HYP continue with their funding model, and allows rosters up and over 120 for football, and allow their Olympic sports to participate to the full extend of the NCAA Championship series, they are bamboozling people that are wishing for the 1950’s and 1960’s when all sports were pure, and June Cleaver had dinner on the table at 6:00 PM every day while wearing a genuine pearl necklace. Avery Brundidge you did not fool me then, Derek Bok, you did not fool me in 1985. Ivy League purity does not fool me now.
Fool me once shame on you...... You are not getting another chance to pull that charade. 🤔
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 2, 2022 15:15:49 GMT -5
😂 One has to get up PRETTY early in the morning to fool Crucis!
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Post by efg72 on Jul 2, 2022 16:25:26 GMT -5
I don't know about you, but I think this message from President Rougeau is a huge positive signal for HC athletics It is indeed once we make the basketball transition at the end of the next season, I think we will see more of this and of course for the other programs kit needs to follow the lead of our President asap
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Post by efg72 on Jul 2, 2022 18:31:43 GMT -5
Not making the change for hoops today is a mistake, but let’s see if we can fix all of this by the spring
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 2, 2022 20:10:46 GMT -5
I don't know about you, but I think this message from President Rougeau is a huge positive signal for HC athletics It is indeed once we make the basketball transition at the end of the next season, I think we will see more of this and of course for the other programs kit needs to follow the lead of our President asap He may have been following the lead of PVR asking him to cool his jets and let the athletic department digest the Chesney contract for a year before signing another big commitment. I would love to see this four man coaching staff, all entering their fourth or more years at HC, shock the world in the upcoming season. It's now or never.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 2, 2022 23:02:13 GMT -5
If the PTB at Georgetown wanted to pick up the mantel of “The Last Amateurs” , they would join the Patriot League for all sports, without scholarships. As long as they belong to the Big East conference and fund scholarships in their Olympic sports, they are disingenuous. Something smell so on the Hilltop, and it is not the Potomac below. Georgetown has offered scholarships in various sports for 120 years. They have no interest in John Feinstein's "Amateurs" concept. Besides, if scholarships were disingenuous, why are PL schools offering them?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 3, 2022 0:47:01 GMT -5
I am all in favor of providing Football as well as Olympic Program Scholarships. Scholarships programs are not disingenuous, it is how Georgetown is short changing their football program by not offering them. While the Olympic program teams are being funded. Georgetown should make an attempt by offering at least 30 football scholarships to raise their level of competitiveness, it would allow their team to at least have a degree of respectability and an attempt of a level playing field.
It is the sanctimonious Ivy League President and Alumni claiming not to offer scholarships, however full funding their athletes under the guise of need base aid, that is disingenuous.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 3, 2022 4:19:55 GMT -5
I am all in favor of providing Football as well as Olympic Program Scholarships. Scholarships programs are not disingenuous, it is how Georgetown is short changing their football program by not offering them. While the Olympic program teams are being funded. Georgetown should make an attempt by offering at least 30 football scholarships to raise their level of competitiveness, it would allow their team to at least have a degree of respectability and an attempt of a level playing field. It is the sanctimonious Ivy League President and Alumni claiming not to offer scholarships, however full funding their athletes under the guise of need base aid, that is disingenuous. Since HYP offers identical aid to its athletes and non-athletes alike I really can’t fault them.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 3, 2022 5:00:32 GMT -5
HYP should forget aid and just make it free for all (he said only half kidding.😉). They can’t spend all the money they already have.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 3, 2022 6:16:25 GMT -5
Some day it would be wonderful if HC could offer a free education to all. This would be the gold standard.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 3, 2022 6:18:40 GMT -5
HYP should forget aid and just make it free for all (he said only half kidding.😉). They can’t spend all the money they already have. That day may be sooner than you think. Princeton returned over $300 million to its coffers in fiscal 2021, restricted endowment monies that it couldn't spend. Total tuition and fees revenue from all Princeton students (including the graduate schools) was under $200 million. The Princeton endowment grew by about 40 percent in 2021, which means even more endowment monies being returned in the future. (<<< The $ numbers are from memory, and are approximate. None of the 2021 increase would have been distributed in 2021, because of the lag. Princeton distributes 5.5 percent of endowment value, trying to spend it down.) Even if Princeton's endowment value had 0 percent increase in fiscal 2022, the big bump in value from 2021 begins to take effect in fiscal 2023, which began three days ago.) This is not the thread for discussing what the uber-rich universities are planning to do about this situation.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 3, 2022 6:54:52 GMT -5
Some day it would be wonderful if HC could offer a free education to all. This would be the gold standard. There’d be no school.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 3, 2022 7:36:19 GMT -5
Some day it would be wonderful if HC could offer a free education to all. This would be the gold standard. And in the meantime let's have sustained significant growth of the endowment through brilliant management, and as a result give more and more generous financial aid. The (far too) long period of tepid returns has to be over.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 6, 2022 14:30:13 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 6, 2022 14:49:34 GMT -5
The Bluebloods podcast appears to be affiliated with this: twitter.com/OTB_Networkwhich has almost no Twitter followers. I think someone on Crossports ought to start a weekly ranking of FCS football. Why not?
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