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Post by purplehaze on May 24, 2022 10:00:38 GMT -5
the roster is official and now on the web page - 13 players incl the walkon - Tse and Wilbar are Juniors if everything stays the same (and it won't) we have 2 scholarships for the '23 class
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2022 10:18:19 GMT -5
the roster is official and now on the web page - 13 players incl the walkon - Tse and Wilbar are Juniors if everything stays the same (and it won't) we have 2 scholarships for the '23 class Thanks. Bishop Molloy gets dissed again as Deerfield is listed under Tse's name.🙂. Welcome aboard or welcome back to our Crusaders.
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2022 10:51:46 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2022 10:55:29 GMT -5
the roster is official and now on the web page - 13 players incl the walkon - Tse and Wilbar are Juniors if everything stays the same (and it won't) we have 2 scholarships for the '23 class Unless we add another before August.
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Post by hc17 on May 24, 2022 10:58:05 GMT -5
A few thoughts after reading through many of threads and taking a look at the roster:
1.) More size, but how will it be deployed? Does Gates have a better front-court mate in Louth, Rabs, Wilbar, Kenney or Lewis? Not enough minutes for all these guys to play impact minutes. My best guess is that the staff likes the upside of Kenney to start. Louth & Wilbar will battle it out for the 3rd rotational big. If Lewis can stroke it from 3 and space the floor, we may be having a different conversation over the course of the season.
2.) Shooting? Need newcomers Octave & Batchelder to hit. Don't see a viable path to being a great shooting team otherwise.
3.) The transfer portal madness has disrupted all college programs. Hopefully, landing a few ourselves, stabilizes the program opposed to recruiting a ton of freshmen year in and year out.
4.) Can Tse & Octave have a greater impact than RJ & Luc? I think we'll be revisiting this question at some later stage in the season.
5.) Need Bo Montgomery to take the leap in '22-'23. Invested heavy minutes his first two years and has shown flashes from time to time.
My first crack at the starting lineup - Dorsey, Bo, Octave, Kenney & Gates.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 24, 2022 11:23:52 GMT -5
Bo and Octave have to play at all league level.
I'll say Tse, Bo, Octave, GG and Wilbar as an opening lineup.
One saving grace (maybe the only?) is that I don't see the PL moving out its recent down cycle. If this were one of the years where the league was in the 20 or so range of conferences, it would be good night Irene. But I don't think it's going to take a powerhouse effort to get to 4th place (sort of a tallest midget competition). I suppose rosters around the league could still change before the fall.
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2022 12:17:52 GMT -5
A few thoughts after reading through many of threads and taking a look at the roster: 1.) More size, but how will it be deployed? Does Gates have a better front-court mate in Louth, Rabs, Wilbar, Kenney or Lewis? Not enough minutes for all these guys to play impact minutes. My best guess is that the staff likes the upside of Kenney to start. Louth & Wilbar will battle it out for the 3rd rotational big. If Lewis can stroke it from 3 and space the floor, we may be having a different conversation over the course of the season. 2.) Shooting? Need newcomers Octave & Batchelder to hit. Don't see a viable path to being a great shooting team otherwise. 3.) The transfer portal madness has disrupted all college programs. Hopefully, landing a few ourselves, stabilizes the program opposed to recruiting a ton of freshmen year in and year out. 4.) Can Tse & Octave have a greater impact than RJ & Luc? I think we'll be revisiting this question at some later stage in the season. 5.) Need Bo Montgomery to take the leap in '22-'23. Invested heavy minutes his first two years and has shown flashes from time to time. My first crack at the starting lineup - Dorsey, Bo, Octave, Kenney & Gates. 4- I have not see Octave, but RJ is a superior point guard to Tse
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2022 13:10:56 GMT -5
A few thoughts after reading through many of threads and taking a look at the roster: 1.) More size, but how will it be deployed? Does Gates have a better front-court mate in Louth, Rabs, Wilbar, Kenney or Lewis? Not enough minutes for all these guys to play impact minutes. My best guess is that the staff likes the upside of Kenney to start. Louth & Wilbar will battle it out for the 3rd rotational big. If Lewis can stroke it from 3 and space the floor, we may be having a different conversation over the course of the season. 2.) Shooting? Need newcomers Octave & Batchelder to hit. Don't see a viable path to being a great shooting team otherwise. 3.) The transfer portal madness has disrupted all college programs. Hopefully, landing a few ourselves, stabilizes the program opposed to recruiting a ton of freshmen year in and year out. 4.) Can Tse & Octave have a greater impact than RJ & Luc? I think we'll be revisiting this question at some later stage in the season. 5.) Need Bo Montgomery to take the leap in '22-'23. Invested heavy minutes his first two years and has shown flashes from time to time. My first crack at the starting lineup - Dorsey, Bo, Octave, Kenney & Gates. 4- I have not see Octave, but RJ is a superior point guard to Tse Probably. But in terms of impact, RJ scored 47 points and had 12 assists last season. In all fairness due to circumstances beyond his control, but RJ didn't exactly have a huge impact in 2021-22
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2022 13:27:45 GMT -5
I was talking about 2020-2021
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2022 13:39:46 GMT -5
I was talking about 2020-2021 Fair enough. Sometimes a really cool thing happens in basketball where the five guys on the court play as a team and the whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts. Crazy wishful thinking on my part, but I'd really like to see that out of the Crusaders next year, even if they don't have the superior talent
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Post by longsuffering on May 24, 2022 13:54:47 GMT -5
Fair enough. Sometimes a really cool thing happens in basketball where the five guys on the court play as a team and the whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts. Crazy wishful thinking on my part, but I'd really like to see that out of the Crusaders next year, even if they don't have the superior talent Somebody like Wilbar may run through (the proverbial) wall for a coaching staff who want him here. The circumstances that brought this squad together should foster appreciation to be here. There really shouldn't be too many who feel they are doing HC a favor by being here. Still need good coaching but I'm hopeful our staff has been learning and improving.
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Post by hchoops on May 24, 2022 14:25:35 GMT -5
For the last three years the whole was less, sometimes far less, than the sum of its parts. There is little logical reason to believe anything will change this season.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on May 24, 2022 15:34:51 GMT -5
I'm choosing to be optimistic this year because why not? Lots of practice rooting for the Sox from the early fifties until 2004. As far as the last three years go, the whole was usually equal to the sums of its parts, never more.
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Post by Tom on May 24, 2022 20:38:14 GMT -5
For the last three years the whole was less, sometimes far less, than the sum of its parts. There is little logical reason to believe anything will change this season. Hey. I said it was crazy, wishful thinking
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Post by timholycross on May 26, 2022 8:13:27 GMT -5
I'm choosing to be optimistic this year because why not? Lots of practice rooting for the Sox from the early fifties until 2004. As far as the last three years go, the whole was usually equal to the sums of its parts, never more. Using that analogy, I'll gladly settle for 67, 75 and 86. Even 78 and 03. Come close but get your heart broken*. We're stuck in the Don Buddin (who probably wasn't as terrible as people have learned to believe he was) era, my friend! *not too many people were heartbroken in 67 as it was such a turnaround for anyone growing up who were conditioned to the season being over before we went back to school.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 9:01:02 GMT -5
'67 pennant fever created a huge traffic backup at rush hour in Boston when a semi-trailer truck driver refused to enter the Callahan Tunnel and lose radio reception until he heard what Yaz did at the plate in the last of the ninth.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 26, 2022 10:17:32 GMT -5
'67 pennant fever created a huge traffic backup at rush hour in Boston when a semi-trailer truck driver refused to enter the Callahan Tunnel and lose radio reception until he heard what Yaz did at the plate in the last of the ninth. I was a 15 year old in '67 with a part-time job washing dishes at a restaurant in Lynnfield. One night as we were cleaning up we were told we had to stay late because the Red Sox had won the pennant and were coming for dinner. I can say that I got to scrape the garbage off the plates of the "67 Sox.
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Post by hchoops on May 26, 2022 10:20:34 GMT -5
Again, way off topic
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Post by Tom on May 26, 2022 11:35:22 GMT -5
'67 pennant fever created a huge traffic backup at rush hour in Boston when a semi-trailer truck driver refused to enter the Callahan Tunnel and lose radio reception until he heard what Yaz did at the plate in the last of the ninth. I was a 15 year old in '67 with a part-time job washing dishes at a restaurant in Lynnfield. One night as we were cleaning up we were told we had to stay late because the Red Sox had won the pennant and were coming for dinner. I can say that I got to scrape the garbage off the plates of the "67 Sox. I refuse to believe there was anything left on George Scott's plate
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 26, 2022 13:41:47 GMT -5
As much as I like hearing stories about the '67 Sox (and the Sports Hub's Mike Felger is a total dweeb for dissing them because they didn't win the Series; so clueless), I'll steer this back to the thread by asking: where do folks think the current roster ranks in comparison to the rest of the league (as rosters stand now)?
To me, a good coach should be very capable of getting this group in the upper half of the league. No more inexperience, other teams lost key guys as well. Just no excuses for not having them in the thick of things imho.
And- I think CBN would be a fool to schedule multiple non D-1 games again. Wins over them will not impress his boss, and it will also do the team a disservice in terms of preparing them for league play. If anything, I would like to see more games against strong low D-1s (like the Vermonts and Ionas of the world).
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 13:57:49 GMT -5
A healthy 6-1" pass first pg and a physically mature 6'11" front court man who both have started a bunch of D-1 games put us ahead of last year, minus Luc's scoring punch. Bubba and JM's departure will free up minutes for our developing roster. We should be more competitive than last year.
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Post by hchoops on May 26, 2022 14:08:16 GMT -5
As much as I like hearing stories about the '67 Sox (and the Sports Hub's Mike Felger is a total dweeb for dissing them because they didn't win the Series; so clueless), I'll steer this back to the thread by asking: where do folks think the current roster ranks in comparison to the rest of the league (as rosters stand now)? To me, a good coach should be very capable of getting this group in the upper half of the league. No more inexperience, other teams lost key guys as well. Just no excuses for not having them in the thick of things imho. And- I think CBN would be a fool to schedule multiple non D-1 games again. Wins over them will not impress his boss, and it will also do the team a disservice in terms of preparing them for league play. If anything, I would like to see more games against strong low D-1s (like the Vermonts and Ionas of the world). Totally agree with the last point. As far as the roster is concerned, I have not studied the other teams, but our roster looks weaker than last season. The Luc to Tse at the point alone is a significant drop. The planned backcourt of RJ and Luc would have been a relatively strong one. With neither here, the backcourt is down a great deal. Whether we can replace Humphrey and Martindale is also very questionable. Will the front court be better ? Gates is the only sure thing. Kenney’s Improvement is key. Whether Louth can be on the court with Gerrale is a big question. It did not happen often last season. The new players may or may not improve the team. Again, many questions. No sure thing. Octave seems to be the best bet, the only one who has been a previous significant contributor.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 14:14:12 GMT -5
Obviously JM has skill or he wouldn't have been picked up by a WCC team but he didn't improve much last year. Maybe the change in point guards contributed. If we can't replace Bubba, why not re-recruit him if he doesn't get a better offer.
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Post by sader1970 on May 26, 2022 14:16:33 GMT -5
A low bar indeed. To NAD's question, not sure how anyone can give an informed response as there are simply too many moving parts. Not only is our roster having significant turnover, no doubt the other PL teams have as well +/-. With the transfer portal, incoming transfers, whether at HC or the other PL schools, how the player did at another school with different teammates and a different coach and possibly different style of play and definitely different competition are probably not a good basis for figuring how they'll do in the coming PL season. After decades of rabid support for the Crusaders, I find myself oddly emotionally detached for this season. I almost don't care how they do. Yeah, sad, so sad. The great news is that football comes first!
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 14:56:35 GMT -5
I love following winning teams I care about, like HC FB and WBB. I also involuntarily start rooting for underdogs who have been beaten up and kicked around.
I stopped blaming this staff when I realized they would all be gone by now at many schools and are still here imo mainly for budgetary reasons but are still fighting the good fight for Holy Cross. I'm really behind the whole team now and rooting for them to shock the (PL) world.
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