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Post by HC13 on May 26, 2022 18:16:57 GMT -5
Looks like nearly the entire league's coaches have turnover the last few years:
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 18:20:54 GMT -5
It's the right move and the right time for her. I wonder if her core returners had not bailed if she would have stayed at AU. Good for her. She'll do great there.
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Post by notjuanjones on May 26, 2022 18:29:47 GMT -5
Was just about to tell y’all. It was a matter of time. She’s been too good for too long. We’ll miss her!
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Post by HC13 on May 26, 2022 18:50:24 GMT -5
Lot of change over the last couple of years, retirements/firings/moving on:
AWP - Traversi - hired 4/21 Bucknell Woodruff - 4/19 BU Graves - 4/21 Colgate Adeduntan - 4/21 Holy Cross Magarity - 4/20 Lafayette Damon - 5/17 Lehigh Micir - 4/22 Loyola O'Banion - 4/21 Navy Taylor -4/20
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 19:05:50 GMT -5
A complete top-to-bottom change-over for head coaches in the last 5 years........with 8 of those happening in the last two years. Lafayette coach is now the longest tenured. That's crazy.
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Post by HC13 on May 26, 2022 19:13:16 GMT -5
A complete top-to-bottom change-over for head coaches in the last 5 years........with 8 of those happening in the last two years. Lafayette coach is now the longest tenured. That's crazy. Shocking really, especially as there was a great deal of stability in the PL coaching ranks for years prior to 2020.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 19:23:00 GMT -5
This is a big loss for American, as Gebbia is a very good coach. It’s exactly the opposite of what happened at Lehigh, where their team got better by having their coach step down.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 19:25:48 GMT -5
Agree HC13. Sadly, I don't think stability and coaching go together much anymore. I always like to see how frosh develop with a coach, and a team come together during their time. Makes the PL very enjoyable to follow even beyond my favorite team. I am excited to see who takes AU over but in general, all the instability throughout the league with coaches and players is a bit of a downer.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 19:33:55 GMT -5
Agree HC13. Sadly, I don't think stability and coaching go together much anymore. I always like to see how frosh develop with a coach, and a team come together during their time. Makes the PL very enjoyable to follow even beyond my favorite team. I am excited to see who takes AU over but in general, all the instability throughout the league with coaches and players is a bit of a downer. only two of the ten, Roussell and Gebbia, left for better jobs. Two others retired, although one may have been pushed, five were fired, and the other one reportedly left after Colgate wouldn’t extend his contract
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Post by HC13 on May 26, 2022 19:35:43 GMT -5
Agree HC13. Sadly, I don't think stability and coaching go together much anymore. I always like to see how frosh develop with a coach, and a team come together during their time. Makes the PL very enjoyable to follow even beyond my favorite team. I am excited to see who takes AU over but in general, all the instability throughout the league with coaches and players is a bit of a downer. Agree completely, I also believe that Damon at Lafayette, the now senior coach, is probably on the hot seat this coming season.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 19:47:27 GMT -5
Some may wonder why a move like this is happening at the end of May, and it is a bit puzzling. Jen Hoover, the former coach was a superstar as a player at Wake, which may have bought her some time. But in 10 years, her best record was 17-16 and she never had a .500 record in the ACC. Having said that, her best season of the ten was just 12 months ago. On the one hand, the late date will make it harder for Gebbia to bring in new players as most of the good ones in the portal are gone. But otoh it will be hard for any current players to transfer out this late in the game.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 19:52:16 GMT -5
Agree HC13. Sadly, I don't think stability and coaching go together much anymore. I always like to see how frosh develop with a coach, and a team come together during their time. Makes the PL very enjoyable to follow even beyond my favorite team. I am excited to see who takes AU over but in general, all the instability throughout the league with coaches and players is a bit of a downer. Agree completely, I also believe that Damon at Lafayette, the now senior coach, is probably on the hot seat this coming season. yes, it would make sense that Damon is on the hot seat. Having said that, she just completed her fifth year so that would indicate that somewhere along the line she got an extension, although it may not have been a long one. Lafayette has not had a winning team for about 25 years, and Damon was their fourth coach in a 10 year period, following a coach who was terminated for cause, so it may be a tricky situation where the bar is not very high.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 19:53:47 GMT -5
Hoover was/is a better player than coach. She also had a lot of her assistants bail on her. BUs current coach was an assistant with her at Wake.
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Post by HC13 on May 26, 2022 19:56:27 GMT -5
Agree HC13. Sadly, I don't think stability and coaching go together much anymore. I always like to see how frosh develop with a coach, and a team come together during their time. Makes the PL very enjoyable to follow even beyond my favorite team. I am excited to see who takes AU over but in general, all the instability throughout the league with coaches and players is a bit of a downer. only two of the ten, Roussell and Gebbia, left for better jobs. Two others retired, although one may have been pushed, five were fired, and the other one reportedly left after Colgate wouldn’t extend his contract I think Mosely to Wisconsin would fall into the category of a better job - and the Navy axing Pepper was perplexing.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 19:57:50 GMT -5
only two of the ten, Roussell and Gebbia, left for better jobs. Two others retired, although one may have been pushed, five were fired, and the other one reportedly left after Colgate wouldn’t extend his contract I think Mosely to Wisconsin would fall into the category of a better job - and the Navy axing Pepper was perplexing. yes, absolutely. I missed her as I was going down the list.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 19:58:26 GMT -5
Note: Colgate coach was extended. One may argue that Moseley going to Wisconsin was a bigger jump/better job as well. Big 10 $ and all. But if you're accounting for Boston over Madison, I can appreciate your view, Bison137
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 19:59:49 GMT -5
Pemper's career ending was a shame. Smart coach.
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Post by HC13 on May 26, 2022 19:59:55 GMT -5
Some may wonder why a move like this is happening at the end of May, and it is a bit puzzling. Jen Hoover, the former coach was a superstar as a player at Wake, which may have bought her some time. But in 10 years, her best record was 17-16 and she never had a .500 record in the ACC. Having said that, her best season of the ten was just 12 months ago. On the one hand, the late date will make it harder for Gebbia to bring in new players as most of the good ones in the portal are gone. But otoh it will be hard for any current players to transfer out this late in the game. Leaves the kids at AU in a spot of bother also, especially the 2 recent transfers.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 20:03:50 GMT -5
Note: Colgate coach was extended. One may argue that Moseley going to Wisconsin was a bigger jump/better job as well. Big 10 $ and all. But if you're accounting for Boston over Madison, I can appreciate your view, Bison137 I just missed Boston U as I was going down the list of coaches. I think Mosleys new job was a big step up.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 20:32:37 GMT -5
Pemper's career ending was a shame. Smart coach. Her ouster was a surprise, although Navy did have terrible seasons her last two years. That followed two great seasons and a number of other good ones. Perhaps it was a reflection of the recruiting getting worse? As you likely know, Pemper is now an assistant AD at Connecticut College. Prior to Navy, she had a number of tremendous seasons coaching Bowdoin.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 20:39:57 GMT -5
Note: Colgate coach was extended. I stand corrected. Shouldn't go by memory. Looking back, I see Cleary got extended after his fourth year. Then after his fifth year, he stepped down - but almost six weeks after the season ended. I was told by a Colgate person that he had some sort of disagreement with their AD. As you likely know, Cleary has returned to his D2 roots and is now HC at St. Thomas Aquinas. But he didn't take that job until August, so presumably nothing was in the works when he left Colgate.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 20:41:23 GMT -5
Agreed. Some of it was team culture and she did have Kolbi Green who also was booted this year from the new coach's team at Navy. Would love to see her back in coaching but I don't think she wants that. But given the near daily surprises in basketball these days, maybe she'll be named head coach at American!! LOL. Would have been a great reunion at Bowdoin.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 20:50:21 GMT -5
Agree HC13. Sadly, I don't think stability and coaching go together much anymore. I always like to see how frosh develop with a coach, and a team come together during their time. Makes the PL very enjoyable to follow even beyond my favorite team. I am excited to see who takes AU over but in general, all the instability throughout the league with coaches and players is a bit of a downer. only two of the ten, Roussell and Gebbia, left for better jobs. Two others retired, although one may have been pushed, five were fired, and the other one reportedly left after Colgate wouldn’t extend his contract What category are you putting the HC head coach and interim head coach who left in the last five years? Both completed their contracts. One on the bench, one on the couch. But neither was fired.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 21:10:50 GMT -5
My take:
Gibbons: Fired....legal wrangling, HR language, orchestrated 'no blame departure' but essentially fired Annie Mac: Contract not renewed.
In both cases, Crusaders wanted to move on.
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Post by sader1970 on May 26, 2022 21:12:16 GMT -5
Nope, very confident that Gibbons was NOT fired. His contract was simply not renewed. He'd like you to believe he was fired.
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