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Post by longsuffering on May 31, 2022 11:24:58 GMT -5
Somebody with shaking knees that something could go wrong on campus that he, she or they (using pronouns for their traditional meaning, a man a woman or a group of decision makers) are responsible for.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 14:15:58 GMT -5
The commencements I've gone to in recent years.
Babson. Was outside, but I don't remember much.
Bowdoin, outside, on the Quad. Guest sitting on chairs, close enough to an elevated stage to see what was happening on the stage. Reception at the large and relatively new field house. Nice event. Memorable. Commencement address given by the valedictorian.
Brown. Outside on the College Green. There are speakers, President of the university and a commencement speaker. but no student degrees are conferred. Jack Nicholson was awarded an honorary degree, and invited to offer some remarks. He did, at some humorous length. (His daughter was graduating.) Degrees are conferred in a church, no guests. Subsequently, degrees are conferred ceremonially by academic department, at separated locations, with a department-hosted reception.
Fairfield, outside. Guests sitting on chairs in the back on an open lawn. Couldn't see what was happening in the front. Have no recollection of a reception.
Harvard, outside in Harvard Yard. Very crowded, too few chairs. Honorary degrees and a commencement address. Very ceremonial. Actual conferring of undergraduate degrees is done in the residential house where the undergraduate lived. For example, if you lived in Adams House, all the undergraduates living in Adams House receive their degree at Adams House. Reception. Applying the Brown and Harvard approaches to Holy Cross, is it better to receive your degree with your academic classmates, or your residential classmates?
FWIW, Georgetown confers its academic degrees outside on Healy Lawn but divides the conferring of degrees into two groups by alphabetical name. Don't know about a reception.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 31, 2022 14:32:32 GMT -5
Bucknell's graduation --
In the quad on their beautiful campus.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 31, 2022 15:10:03 GMT -5
The commencements I've gone to in recent years. Babson. Was outside, but I don't remember much. Bowdoin, outside, on the Quad. Guest sitting on chairs, close enough to an elevated stage to see what was happening on the stage. Reception at the large and relatively new field house. Nice event. Memorable. Commencement address given by the valedictorian. Brown. Outside on the College Green. There are speakers, President of the university and a commencement speaker. but no student degrees are conferred. Jack Nicholson was awarded an honorary degree, and invited to offer some remarks. He did, at some humorous length. (His daughter was graduating.) Degrees are conferred in a church, no guests. Subsequently, degrees are conferred ceremonially by academic department, at separated locations, with a department-hosted reception. Fairfield, outside. Guests sitting on chairs in the back on an open lawn. Couldn't see what was happening in the front. Have no recollection of a reception. Harvard, outside in Harvard Yard. Very crowded, too few chairs. Honorary degrees and a commencement address. Very ceremonial. Actual conferring of undergraduate degrees is done in the residential house where the undergraduate lived. For example, if you lived in Adams House, all the undergraduates living in Adams House receive their degree at Adams House. Reception. Applying the Brown and Harvard approaches to Holy Cross, is it better to receive your degree with your academic classmates, or your residential classmates? FWIW, Georgetown confers its academic degrees outside on Healy Lawn but divides the conferring of degrees into two groups by alphabetical name. Don't know about a reception. Presumably you were in attendance to accept an honorary degree at each of those colleges
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Post by mm67 on May 31, 2022 15:38:02 GMT -5
TheDCU is not a fitting commencement space for the elite college HC claims to be. If you are elite, act elite. DCU is dreadful.
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Post by timholycross on May 31, 2022 15:58:52 GMT -5
Better use of funds to make sure those who have access issues if Fitton (either one) was used are taken care of versus renting a venue no one cares for.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 16:35:09 GMT -5
The commencements I've gone to in recent years. Babson. Was outside, but I don't remember much. Bowdoin, outside, on the Quad. Guest sitting on chairs, close enough to an elevated stage to see what was happening on the stage. Reception at the large and relatively new field house. Nice event. Memorable. Commencement address given by the valedictorian. Brown. Outside on the College Green. There are speakers, President of the university and a commencement speaker. but no student degrees are conferred. Jack Nicholson was awarded an honorary degree, and invited to offer some remarks. He did, at some humorous length. (His daughter was graduating.) Degrees are conferred in a church, no guests. Subsequently, degrees are conferred ceremonially by academic department, at separated locations, with a department-hosted reception. Fairfield, outside. Guests sitting on chairs in the back on an open lawn. Couldn't see what was happening in the front. Have no recollection of a reception. Harvard, outside in Harvard Yard. Very crowded, too few chairs. Honorary degrees and a commencement address. Very ceremonial. Actual conferring of undergraduate degrees is done in the residential house where the undergraduate lived. For example, if you lived in Adams House, all the undergraduates living in Adams House receive their degree at Adams House. Reception. Applying the Brown and Harvard approaches to Holy Cross, is it better to receive your degree with your academic classmates, or your residential classmates? FWIW, Georgetown confers its academic degrees outside on Healy Lawn but divides the conferring of degrees into two groups by alphabetical name. Don't know about a reception. Presumably you were in attendance to accept an honorary degree at each of those colleges Yeah, but I am still way behinnndddd Fauci on the totals. Maybe if I start throwing some big money around!!
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 31, 2022 17:07:40 GMT -5
FWIW, Georgetown confers its academic degrees outside on Healy Lawn but divides the conferring of degrees into two groups by alphabetical name. Don't know about a reception. Not exactly. All schools at Georgetown (with the exception of the Medical School, not sure why) award degrees on Healy Lawn but do so by school, in order that students get to walk across a stage to shake the hand of the dean and university president for their parents and guests. (When I graduated in 1984, the class simply stood up, was told it had graduated, and sat back down.) Owing to the larger number of graduate and professional students which now account for the majority of Georgetown alumni, there are nine different ceremonies of two to three hours each over three days which account for the graduates and their guests, all on the front lawn. The degrees by alphabetical group you referenced is a fallback for the College in case of rain. The obsolete McDonough Gymnasium cannot hold all the graduates and their guests in one sitting. Degrees were awarded the week of May 20-22, and then the faculty came back the next week and did the same thing all over again-- ceremonies were held for over 2,000 members of the Class of 2020 as they didn't get a formal commencement due to COVID, but received degrees virtually in 2020. That said, an on-campus event is always the better option. In 2021, Georgetown moved its commencement to the Washington Nationals' baseball park due to COVID restrictions, it rained heavily, and was underwhelming.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 31, 2022 19:02:26 GMT -5
FWIW, Georgetown confers its academic degrees outside on Healy Lawn but divides the conferring of degrees into two groups by alphabetical name. Don't know about a reception. Not exactly. All schools at Georgetown (with the exception of the Medical School, not sure why) award degrees on Healy Lawn but do so by school, in order that students get to walk across a stage to shake the hand of the dean and university president for their parents and guests. (When I graduated in 1984, the class simply stood up, was told it had graduated, and sat back down.) Owing to the larger number of graduate and professional students which now account for the majority of Georgetown alumni, there are nine different ceremonies of two to three hours each over three days which account for the graduates and their guests, all on the front lawn. The degrees by alphabetical group you referenced is a fallback for the College in case of rain. The obsolete McDonough Gymnasium cannot hold all the graduates and their guests in one sitting. Degrees were awarded the week of May 20-22, and then the faculty came back the next week and did the same thing all over again-- ceremonies were held for over 2,000 members of the Class of 2020 as they didn't get a formal commencement due to COVID, but received degrees virtually in 2020. That said, an on-campus event is always the better option. In 2021, Georgetown moved its commencement to the Washington Nationals' baseball park due to COVID restrictions, it rained heavily, and was underwhelming. Thank you for the correction. I receive the weekly Georgetown Univ. community newsletter, and had remembered the alphabetical split, but not the 'in case of rain'. Med School is at DAR Constitution Hall, rain or no rain. commencement.georgetown.edu/I don't know why HC doesn't occasionally publish a community newsletter like GU does. Helps promote a relationship with the community. us9.campaign-archive.com/?u=13003b916a7c3bb4d55952755&id=66bb4100dd
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 31, 2022 19:18:17 GMT -5
Dammed if you do...Dammed if you don’t
damned if (one) does, damned if (one) doesn't Either possible action (or inaction) would result in a negative outcome or cause one trouble; there is no course of action that does not have a drawback.
The conundrum of Commencements at the DCU Center.
After being overexposed to the sun at two outdoor commencements in the Bay Area of California, to the point of my hands peeling from sunburn (I had on a long sleeve shirt and a wide brim hat), as well as watching a friend’s daughter being drenched in a deluge for several hours, during a commencement in Poughkeepsie NY. I still believe the DCU provides the optimum setting. If only the Hart Arena (not the IPF) could accommodate all guests. As ChuChu noted, the 2004 graduation held in the Arena was less than satisfactory, in not being able to accommodate everyone. Access to a large venue very close to campus that can accommodate the entire class, plus all invited guests is an asset.
In attending my only HC Commencement at the DCU, in 2019, I arrived early, parked directly across the street, scoped the best seating option, and sat perpendicular to the stage. I enjoyed sitting in a climate control environment in a chair back seat at the top of the lower section, with easy access to the men’s room when necessary. No worries about rain, overheating from the sun or excessive long lines to the facilities during the almost three hours of the ceremony.
Parents, grandparents and relatives at peer institutions that have to endure the uncertainty of weather, with being sent to a remote venue or venues to see the graduation and diplomas on a less than satisfactory video would be pleased to attend the ceremony and a reception without having to navigate to locations throughout their campus. Looking at the institutions that have outdoor ceremonies where the guests can barely see the stage due to the seating configuration is not enjoyable for me.
Prior to commencement ceremony, there are numerous opportunities for graduates to take pictures with their classmates, as I witnessed last Wednesday and Thursday on the Linden Lane web cam.
Everyone has an opinion regarding location, Fitton is great for football in the fall, no other place I would like to be on a crisp afternoon. Dressed in a suit on a hot day in May, with the sun radiating from the aluminum frying pan of bleachers is not my idea of an enjoyment.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 31, 2022 19:37:43 GMT -5
Looking at the Bucknell pictures, can you see the stage or the speakers from the last several sections? Watching from the Weis Center, Trout Auditorium, or Harvey Powers Theatre seems to negate the in person experience of being at the ceremony. Why not everyone at Sojka?
The Bucknell 2021 commencement speaker, I have known for over 40 years and use to attend the same church as her family. I will have to ask her perspective next time we talk.
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Post by sader1970 on May 31, 2022 19:49:35 GMT -5
My older brother's graduation, mine and my son's all were at Fitton. Sometimes it was a rather warm day but no rain on any of those 3 occasions. Believe we attended a niece and/or nephew's graduation that was in the Hart Center but didn't recall that it was due to the rain.
TPTB can't win here.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 31, 2022 22:07:05 GMT -5
Split it up and satisfy everybody--half the class can choose to graduate at the DCU and they and their families can go to that ceremony where the students will receive their diplomas from President Rougeau. At the DCU there will also be a big screen broadcasting a ceremony from Fitton Field where there will also be a big screen showing the DCU ceremony. Diplomas will be awarded alternately, so if you were at the DCU you'd see Joe Aaron get his diploma live followed by viewing the Fitton ceremony where Mary Abernathy (we do award diplomas alphabetically, right?) would get her diploma from Bob Chesney.
I placed a call to President Rougeau and told his secretary my idea, but I have not heard back from him yet--probably tomorrow he'll call.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 1, 2022 4:10:25 GMT -5
Excellent suggestion, Solomon! I’m sure all would love to have half a baby!😂
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Post by Tom on Jun 1, 2022 7:46:08 GMT -5
Holy Cross wins annual awards and is typically in the top of the rankings for having the most aesthetic / beautiful / well manicured college campus in the country. On a day where the school can really shine, they ship all graduates and their friends and family to a dark arena in the middle of Worcester. Who makes this decision? I agree with the logic the year Hart was unavailable as a back up during renovation. It would be interesting if anyone had stats about the percentage of the time weather forced graduation inside. For what it's worth, I have been to five college graduations this century. One at an indoor arena (planned, not forced by weather). Three outside on campus. One at an outdoor off campus venue with a roof. I liked being outside on campus, (even though the indoor arena had concessions going and were selling beer and hot dogs) On the other hand, this is one of the very few instances where my opinion should carry no weight. Where do the kids and their immediate families want the ceremony? That's all that should really matter
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Post by alum on Jun 1, 2022 9:21:56 GMT -5
Ranking graduation venues:
1. On campus in the middle of campus (Trinity, on their wide lawn, "neath the elms" after the students parade in along the "Long Walk" and for the first time step on the stone where Teddy Roosevelt spoke) was lovely. Mount Holyoke's, in an amphitheatre was great, too, but they have moved it indoors for accessibility reasons. Harvard and Yale are like this, too. HC does not really have a space where this could be pulled off. 2. On campus outdoor stadium 3. On campus indoor arena because of rain. 4. Off campus outdoors (Fenway Park would be fun. I think Northeastern is there.) 5. Off campus indoors in an arena--the worst by far. ECSU goes thirty miles to Hartford for graduation in the arena formerly known as the Civic Center.
EDIT: George Washington has their graduation on the National Mall. That would certainly provide good backgrounds for selfies.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jun 1, 2022 9:49:21 GMT -5
An informal poll of my daughters circle of friends (all class of 22) numbering around 20 revealed unanimity that they would have preferred Fitton to DCU. I do think that the students wants should be a driving factor. I suggest a survey be taken of the senior class well in advance of the graduation ceremony to determine their preference and then act accordingly.
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Post by HC92 on Jun 2, 2022 6:18:38 GMT -5
An informal poll of my daughters circle of friends (all class of 22) numbering around 20 revealed unanimity that they would have preferred Fitton to DCU. I do think that the students wants should be a driving factor. I suggest a survey be taken of the senior class well in advance of the graduation ceremony to determine their preference and then act accordingly. This probably falls under the category of things tptb don’t want to know the answer to.
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