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Post by hchoops on Sept 14, 2022 7:02:29 GMT -5
This schedule is a disgrace, we should not be playing the D-3 games. As a season ticket holder I am not happy. Only way to make your voice heard -- call the ticket office and tell them you are not renewing your season tickets, citing the state of the program and awful schedule. And then call the AD with the same message
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 14, 2022 7:08:52 GMT -5
I will stop whining about it going forward, but - I still am interested in whether or not there has been a spike up in these games in the last 5 years or so (nationally).
One piece of advice for whoever is in charge of getting fans in the seats for the opener: they might want to have a few promotions to interest the students. Siena is liable to bring in 1K or so fans on their own. Maybe have a free Sluka-Coker bobblehead giveaway.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 14, 2022 7:24:24 GMT -5
NAD, I like the way you think! You are clearly a student of the "Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness" school of thought.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 14, 2022 7:26:45 GMT -5
I will stop whining about it going forward, but - I still am interested in whether or not there has been a spike up in these games in the last 5 years or so (nationally). One piece of advice for whoever is in charge of getting fans in the seats for the opener: they might want to have a few promotions to interest the students. Siena is liable to bring in 1K or so fans on their own. Maybe have a free Sluka-Coker bobblehead giveaway. Since the 2016-17 season, here are how many non-D1s each PL school has played -- Army: 7 Lehigh: 5 BU: 5 Colgate: 5 Lafayette: 5 Navy: 4 Loyola: 4 HC: 3 (all under Nelson) American: 0 Bucknell: 0 For the coming season, here are how many non-D1s each PL school is playing: HC: 2 Army: 2 Loyola: 2 Bucknell: 1 BU: 1 Colgate: 1 Navy: 1 Lafayette: 0 American: 0 Lehigh: Not released
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Post by Crosser on Sept 14, 2022 7:30:37 GMT -5
The Stallions went 9-15 last year with signature wins over Elms, Rivier, Dean and Anna Maria (twice!!), while losing twice to Regis. I just threw up in my mouth. Back in the 60s, H.C. students would eagerly look forward to the arrival of busloads of students from these schools. Of course, they were filled with women coming to the legendary Saturday night “ mixers.”
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Post by trimster on Sept 14, 2022 7:30:42 GMT -5
Yale released their schedule. It is a pretty good non con schedule but there are two D3’s on it.
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Post by Tom on Sept 14, 2022 7:44:43 GMT -5
This year playing two former junior colleges who are now low D-3, the year we lost to UMass Boston and last year when we beat two low D-3 teams. The Williams loss was to a ranked D-3 team so that schedule doesn't crack the top three. The year HC lost to Williams, they also played BC. St Johns, and Louisville. The Ivies included Harvard and Princeton. D-III's on the schedule at all annoys me. The fact that they are present is not the only factor in determining a lousy schedule
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Post by alum on Sept 14, 2022 7:45:15 GMT -5
I would rather we pay the travel costs for a couple of weaker D1 HBCUs to come to Worcester to play than have us play Dean and Colby Sawyer.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 14, 2022 7:45:52 GMT -5
Yet another reason not to have Ivy Envy!
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Post by Tom on Sept 14, 2022 7:47:27 GMT -5
different term. I've always used them as follows (hope I'm right) jury-rigged--- in an emergency you might use the belt from your pants to replace a broken fan belt on a motor or lash an oar to the base of a broken mast to keep your sail up jerry-built-- using poor techniques and shoddy materials to build something, e.g. a shed Some people marginally younger than us would refer to your definition of jury rigged as being MacGyver 'd
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 14, 2022 8:26:06 GMT -5
It would be nice if we knew the times of the games, especially games on the weekends.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 14, 2022 8:26:35 GMT -5
I would rather we pay the travel costs for a couple of weaker D1 HBCUs to come to Worcester to play than have us play Dean and Colby Sawyer. Is there a reason for HBCUs vs. any other mid-major?
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 14, 2022 8:57:12 GMT -5
My goodness, the acceptance and excuse making for our pathetic performance, both administrative and athletic is breathtaking.
This schedule is a DISGRACE.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2022 9:02:48 GMT -5
I would rather we pay the travel costs for a couple of weaker D1 HBCUs to come to Worcester to play than have us play Dean and Colby Sawyer. Is there a reason for HBCUs vs. any other mid-major? They are mostly east of the Mississippi making travel costs manageable.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 14, 2022 10:51:42 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Sept 14, 2022 10:54:03 GMT -5
My goodness, the acceptance and excuse making for our pathetic performance, both administrative and athletic is breathtaking. This schedule is a DISGRACE. What were you expecting? HC, particularly over the last 3 years, is a very low ranked D1 program. Were you expecting multiple Big East games at the DCU Center?
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Post by alum on Sept 14, 2022 11:32:30 GMT -5
I would rather we pay the travel costs for a couple of weaker D1 HBCUs to come to Worcester to play than have us play Dean and Colby Sawyer. Is there a reason for HBCUs vs. any other mid-major? Yes. We belong to a league with other schools with whom we like to compare ourselves and with whom we want to be associated. We play the Ivies for the same reason. We schedule games at far away locations (including resorts) to give our players interesting experiences. Playing teams from another part of the country from schools which have a rich history of academics and athletics like HBCUs seems to fall within the same category of games. Thank you for asking me about this. I will change my suggestion to a request that we travel to weaker HCBUs, preferably in the rural South, to really show our players something new.
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Post by Ignutz on Sept 14, 2022 11:33:43 GMT -5
I'd be much happier if the Men's team played the Women's OOC schools.
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Post by alum on Sept 14, 2022 11:35:13 GMT -5
I'd be much happier if the Men's team played the Women's OOC schools. That is a decent schedule with the exception of D3 Conn. I would like the men to play flagship state universities and BC as well.
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Post by sader1998 on Sept 14, 2022 12:27:51 GMT -5
Aside from the D3 games ("Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"), I think the schedule is reasonable given where the program is at the moment. A "reach"/money game going to Creighton, and a bunch of other comparable mid-major programs. No, it's not a Ralph Willard schedule. Might not even be a Milan Brown schedule. But it is reflective of the current realities of HC basketball. The home and road slate features teams in the region that we've played in the recent past (save the Fordham tournament). In sum, I don't hate the schedule as much as most other posters.
Except for the D3 games. That's a disgrace. Two of those for a second straight year? If you have to go out of division, it should only be one game, no lower than D2, and local, like Assumption. Hope that Kit sees through BN's blatant attempt to pad his record.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 14, 2022 12:30:02 GMT -5
Is there a reason for HBCUs vs. any other mid-major? Yes. We belong to a league with other schools with whom we like to compare ourselves and with whom we want to be associated. We play the Ivies for the same reason. We schedule games at far away locations (including resorts) to give our players interesting experiences. Playing teams from another part of the country from schools which have a rich history of academics and athletics like HBCUs seems to fall within the same category of games. Thank you for asking me about this. I will change my suggestion to a request that we travel to weaker HCBUs, preferably in the rural South, to really show our players something new. Makes sense. Didn't understand the strategy of paying for an HBCU to come to Worcester vs. any other low-major school.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 14, 2022 13:41:56 GMT -5
Just like so many of you complain that, "the PL is so beneath us, we're so much better than those schools and programs, the PL holds us back..." and yet we lose many games to those schools, what will you do when we lose the majority of our games against this admittedly terrible schedule?
I will be the first person to be happy and *continue* to root for this team if they run the table and win every single game. I don't expect it. Worse yet, we continue to have highly regarded underclassmen. ROYs and first-team rookies, for many years. A) they have historically not been able to progress to all-league or POY-type players (I've done the breakdown MANY times), and perhaps most discouraging for the turnaround this thread references many times, B) the faucet of good players leaving the program is not leaky, it's flowing annually.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 14, 2022 15:15:07 GMT -5
How much of an outsider am I for saying I really don't mind the schedule:
1) While it was much more fun when we were both perennial Top 40 mid-major teams, Siena was one of my favorite HC hoops "mini-rivalries" outside the PL, along with Fairfield. Nice seeing them coming into Hart this year.
2) For those who are constantly foaming at the mouth at the idea of HC playing a game in metro NY besides Army, we get THREE games at Rose Hill. Convenient location for those living in Manhattan as well as Westchester and Fairfield Counties. Fordham is also back on schedule for first time since 2005!
3) We get Harvard at home as well as a couple maybe winnable local opponents in QU and CCSU.
4) @ Northeastern, @ SHU, @ UNH => at least one drive-able OOC road game for just about anyone in New England.
5) @ Creighton => Marcus Blossom revenge game in a big-time, traditional college basketball environment in case anyone is tempted to fly out. I've been to Omaha once during course of a cross country trip. Great town, unfortunately my travels didn't coincide with either a Creighton game or the CWS!
6) Yes, two very low-end D3 games to hopefully provide extra opportunities for PT for the entire roster as this team attempts to sort itself out during what will likely be a very challenging year. But a year that will hopefully be a building block to future success.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 14, 2022 16:31:42 GMT -5
Probably more than a little but as I said the schedule is what it is GO WIN GAMES
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Post by DiMarz on Sept 14, 2022 18:02:06 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, years ago the OOC schedule was being looked at and we heard the big problem of scheduling games at the end of first semester was a big concern about the academics..There was a concern that if HC traveled all over to play money games, the student athletes would lose too much class time in the eyes of those who look at that...Holy Cross has to look at the OOC schedule for what it is, getting the team ready for the PL....HC is not going to be in contention for an at large bid to the Dance....
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