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Post by trimster on Aug 12, 2022 11:40:47 GMT -5
Just heard from the ticket office that we'll be hosting Dean College. Three others TBD. Mighty Dean was 8-17 last year with losses to Albertus Magnus, Emmanuel, Norwich, Johnson & Wales and many others. So, that's at least one non-D-1 team for Brett to try to beat. We have a fighting chance, especially being a home game. I imagine there will be one more of these games on the docket. I can’t help but view it as embarrassing, no offense to Dean.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 12, 2022 11:43:58 GMT -5
Assume the Creighton game is another Big East audition. So - is this the latest: 11/6 - Siena 11/11 - @creighton 11/19 - @fordham MTE (Fordham, UIC Stonehill) 11/20 -@fordham MTE (Fordham, UIC Stonehill) 11/22 - @fordham MTE (Fordham, UIC Stonehill) TBD - @unh 12/3 - Central Ct (can't remember where I saw this) 12/22 - @sacred Heart TBD - Dean College (not Wormer) TBD - Harvard TBD - The Q Probable/Maybe/Who Knows Fairfield Added Sader1970's update. Have to think Harvard and the Q are in play, but what about Fairfield? Last time I checked their board they did not seem to think there was a game. If there is one, that would be the last piece to the puzzle.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2022 11:50:14 GMT -5
Harvard is in, Here's the whole email response:
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 12, 2022 11:57:58 GMT -5
Updated above, but my counting skills are off. Still, I thought there would be 13 non conference games, and I have something wrong they already have 11. That would leave 2. Seems odd to me that they would send out emails about tickets before the darn schedule was finalized.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 12, 2022 11:59:29 GMT -5
Might be easier to start looking at websites of all the other D-2/3 schools in Mass. Like trimster, I smell another non D-1.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 12, 2022 12:31:59 GMT -5
Harvard is in, Here's the whole email response: Something isn't adding up here. If we have 15 home games -- nine of which are PL games -- then we have only six home OOC games. This makes it seem as if there are eight home OOC games.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 12, 2022 12:35:39 GMT -5
If it is true we are playing Dean and possibly another lower-level program ....
The team and the staff will get no credit for playing and beating a D2-D3 program. Naturally, the program will forever be haunted by losing those games.
Play a quality schedule, and perhaps as the team improves we can manage the PL schedule.
Hard to believe Kit isn't telling him a win against these teams does nothing for your job, and a loss can get you immediately fired.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2022 12:47:10 GMT -5
NAD, I am close to 100% sure that they were hawking men's basketball season tickets last year well before the schedule was finalized and my impression last year was they wanted people to buy tickets "on faith" (which wasn't a good basis at all). They know the team has performed poorly the last 3+ seasons and the number of people who will go to a game just to support Holy Cross has to be dwindling year by year. And so, try to sell tickets before we find out there are another 2-3 D2-D3 home games.
If teams didn't want to play us under Willard because they might lose, nowadays, what teams want to play us, especially in the Hart, when even if they win big, it's a "so what?"
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2022 12:52:45 GMT -5
72, I have come to the firm conclusion that Brett will be around to the bitter end of the season. I just don't think Kit will pull the trigger regardless of the results until season end. These are Nelson's guys and sink or swim with the head coach. Why put an interim through this?
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Post by trimster on Aug 12, 2022 13:43:35 GMT -5
Harvard is in, Here's the whole email response: Something isn't adding up here. If we have 15 home games -- nine of which are PL games -- then we have only six home OOC games. This makes it seem as if there are eight home OOC games. Perhaps the email is misleading in that several of the games to be finalized are road games.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 12, 2022 13:52:40 GMT -5
^
Either this or Nelson is looking for another tomato can.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 12, 2022 14:03:59 GMT -5
I will always think of them as Dean Jr. College. Oh well, good for Dean, they get a shot at a trophy win. A Dean victory would make three Bay State D-3 schools in a not so exclusive club.
At least Regis was always a four year college even though formerly women only.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 12, 2022 14:04:47 GMT -5
Wonder if the Dean game could be a preseason game (god I hope so), and they are looking for second one.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 12, 2022 14:06:33 GMT -5
Reason could prevail.
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 12, 2022 14:19:30 GMT -5
NAD, I am close to 100% sure that they were hawking men's basketball season tickets last year well before the schedule was finalized and my impression last year was they wanted people to buy tickets "on faith" (which wasn't a good basis at all). They know the team has performed poorly the last 3+ seasons and the number of people who will go to a game just to support Holy Cross has to be dwindling year by year. And so, try to sell tickets before we find out there are another 2-3 D2-D3 home games. If teams didn't want to play us under Willard because they might lose, nowadays, what teams want to play us, especially in the Hart, when even if they win big, it's a "so what?" Back in the late 70s, my father found himself chatting with the MBB at Bentley - which was than a nationally-ranked D2 program. My father asked the Coach if they play Holy Cross, to which the Coach replied, No. They won't play us!" A short time later I asked George Blaney about that exchange, and his response was, "He's right. If we beat them, everyone will say, "So what!", but if we lose to them, people will say, " You lost to who???" " I think these games are stupid.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 12, 2022 14:27:00 GMT -5
...or if they use correct grammar, they will ask "You lost to whom?" Last season HC did beat their 2 non-D1 opponents by pretty large margins IIRC. It seems talk of losses to non-D1 opponents is wishful thinking by some.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 12, 2022 15:05:28 GMT -5
People are using D2, D3 in this conversation. Dean was a bad D3 last season. Totally absurd that Kit allows this game to happen.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2022 15:37:24 GMT -5
Under Nelson, in '19-'20 season, we lost to UMass-Boston, 69-66 in OT In '20-'21 truncated season, only played PL games, no OOC nor D2-D3 teams In '21-'22 we soundly beat Regis 98-51 and then Mt. St. Vincent's 95-52
in '21-'22 Dean beat Regis 64-61 and then lost 74-71. So, close games and a split which would lead one to believe that Dean should provide the same level of challenge as Regis.
No, we don't wish for Holy Cross to lose to Dean, we prefer that we don't play them.
From memory, many on Crossports were railing against Milan Brown for scheduling some patsies which was viewed as a way for him to get a coveted 20-win season - which he did - and secured a contract extension. For Nelson, we could always hope he's doing this for a 20 win season but my gut tells me that's not the case. If he's not in survival mode, he's deluding himself.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 12, 2022 17:22:06 GMT -5
HC is an unattractive opponent for D-1 teams. HC is an attractive opponent for D-2/3 teams.
HC FB travels past Marist to play Buffalo, but Georgetown and Bucknell play the Red Foxes this season due to the current status of the football program at each school.
HC BB has to schedule the teams who will play us and scheduling better teams will be easier when we don't tank their strength of schedule.
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Post by trimster on Aug 12, 2022 17:32:29 GMT -5
HC is an unattractive opponent for D-1 teams. HC is an attractive opponent for D-2/3 teams. HC FB travels past Marist to play Buffalo, but Georgetown and Bucknell play the Red Foxes this season due to the current status of the football program at each school. HC BB has to schedule the teams who will play us and scheduling better teams will be easier when we don't tank their strength of schedule. When might that come about?
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 12, 2022 17:57:26 GMT -5
HC is an unattractive opponent for D-1 teams. HC is an attractive opponent for D-2/3 teams. HC FB travels past Marist to play Buffalo, but Georgetown and Bucknell play the Red Foxes this season due to the current status of the football program at each school. HC BB has to schedule the teams who will play us and scheduling better teams will be easier when we don't tank their strength of schedule. When might that come about? "Homina, homina, homina" -Ralph Kramden
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Post by efg72 on Aug 12, 2022 17:58:36 GMT -5
People are using D2, D3 in this conversation. Dean was a bad D3 last season. Totally absurd that Kit allows this game to happen. I would be willing to play 10 great OOC games away and in the next three years lose them all We lose them right now against bad team's so what do we get Playing at a higher level we add one talented player per year, we get a coach that truly can perform his role, and within three years we are a competitive mid major team that is tournament bound Until changes are made we will continue to do Novenas and pray really hard for success Go HC
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 12, 2022 20:00:38 GMT -5
People are using D2, D3 in this conversation. Dean was a bad D3 last season. Totally absurd that Kit allows this game to happen. Regis is in the same conference....not the best teams in the country at D-3 even if you look at conference champs St Joe's of CT who lost in the first round of the NCAA Tourney.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 15, 2022 10:20:36 GMT -5
Something isn't adding up here. If we have 15 home games -- nine of which are PL games -- then we have only six home OOC games. This makes it seem as if there are eight home OOC games. Perhaps the email is misleading in that several of the games to be finalized are road games. Thinking more about this -- It's possible that there are one or two exhibition games and, in order to make it seem as if there are more OOC home games than there are, the HC athletics staff is marketing these games as part of the season ticket package.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2022 15:55:55 GMT -5
Perhaps the email is misleading in that several of the games to be finalized are road games. Thinking more about this -- It's possible that there are one or two exhibition games and, in order to make it seem as if there are more OOC home games than there are, the HC athletics staff is marketing these games as part of the season ticket package. You are giving them a lot of credit for marketing savvy.
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