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Post by hcpride on Jun 7, 2022 8:56:34 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 7, 2022 9:03:56 GMT -5
Well, at least golf isn't a sport, it's an activity or game. Discuss . . . . .  |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2022 10:20:00 GMT -5
At these payouts to big names they may soon outbid Fox to get Tom Brady to whisper into the microphone. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2022 10:23:17 GMT -5
Well, at least gold isn't a sport, it's an activity or game. Discuss . . . . .  That old chestnut is good for another round.🤣 If Golf isn't a sport why do they need a senior tour for when players' athletic ability declines? |
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Post by Tom on Jun 7, 2022 10:39:17 GMT -5
Golfers don't work for the PGA. They are independent contractors free to so as they please.
That being said, the PGA only uses golfers that play by their rules. One of those rules is that you need a waiver to play in a competing tournament. Those waivers have been pretty automatic for tournaments not played in this country. Tiger Woods used to get a big appearance fee to play in a tournament in Dubai every year. Rumor is that waivers will not be handed out so readily for LIV events in this country.
Some of the big names are more about legacy than dollars. But the big names have so much money, another 10 million here or there isn't a huge deal.
On the other hand, a big part of the legacy thing is winning majors. The PGA actually only runs one major a year. The US open is run by the USGA and the Masters is run by Augusta. I'm not sure who runs the British Open, but I'm pretty sure it's not the PGA.
In a semi related note, Royal Bank of Canada has terminated their sponsorship of Dustin Johnson. RBC is the name sponsor of this week's PGA event that Johnson is skipping to play in the LIV tournament.
On a less related note, the LIV tour is going to have an event in Central MA at the International in Bolton. In my opinion, the nicest track in central MA and at one time (and maybe still) the longest course in the world
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Post by alum on Jun 7, 2022 11:18:29 GMT -5
Per the story in the Washington Post, all of these guys have resigned from the PGA Tour. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/06/06/phil-mickelson-liv-golf/As to eligibility to play in the majors, I think they can even play at the PGA because it is run by the PGA of America, a separate organization, i.e. the one to which club pros belong. The R and A runs the Open Championship. |
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Post by hcpride on Jun 7, 2022 11:20:38 GMT -5
Dustin Johnson announced he is retiring from the PGA Tour…and there has always been a question as to how much cash Phil actually has given his enormous gambling losses. Days after announcing he would play in the inaugural LIV Golf event this week in London, Dustin Johnson indicated he has resigned from the PGA Tour entirely.
Johnson, a two-time major winner and former world No. 1, is the biggest name to officially defect from the PGA Tour. Sergio Garcia, Louis Oosthuizen, Charl Schwartzel and Branden Grace have also resigned their memberships, joining Kevin Na, who did so over the past weekend. Phil Mickelson, who announced Monday that he is playing on the LIV tour, indicated that he intends to keep his PGA Tour lifetime membership.. sports.yahoo.com/dustin-johnson-sergio-garcia-others-resign-from-pga-tour-for-liv-golf-114002117.html |
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Post by HC13 on Jun 7, 2022 12:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 7, 2022 13:47:56 GMT -5
Golfers don't work for the PGA. They are independent contractors free to so as they please. That being said, the PGA only uses golfers that play by their rules. One of those rules is that you need a waiver to play in a competing tournament. Those waivers have been pretty automatic for tournaments not played in this country. Tiger Woods used to get a big appearance fee to play in a tournament in Dubai every year. Rumor is that waivers will not be handed out so readily for LIV events in this country. Some of the big names are more about legacy than dollars. But the big names have so much money, another 10 million here or there isn't a huge deal. On the other hand, a big part of the legacy thing is winning majors. The PGA actually only runs one major a year. The US open is run by the USGA and the Masters is run by Augusta. I'm not sure who runs the British Open, but I'm pretty sure it's not the PGA. In a semi related note, Royal Bank of Canada has terminated their sponsorship of Dustin Johnson. RBC is the name sponsor of this week's PGA event that Johnson is skipping to play in the LIV tournament. On a less related note, the LIV tour is going to have an event in Central MA at the International in Bolton. In my opinion, the nicest track in central MA and at one time (and maybe still) the longest course in the world You need to make the distinction between the PGA and the PGA Tour. They are different organizations with one for Club Pros which run the PGA Championship and Ryder Cup while the PGA Tour runs the tour and president's cup. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2022 13:56:52 GMT -5
Starting to sound like boxing with the WBA, WBO, IBF, etc. Competition is good. Let the Saudis overpay. Less money for them to attack their neighbors with.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 7, 2022 14:43:37 GMT -5
One of the interesting facets of the LIV is the team competition component and the (future) possibility that a rich person might one day buy that team.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 7, 2022 14:43:45 GMT -5
STOP!! They're our allies, don't you know?
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Post by mm67 on Jun 7, 2022 15:00:38 GMT -5
Golf is life.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 7, 2022 15:02:54 GMT -5
So, when someone shouts "get a life!" they mean go golfing?
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 7, 2022 16:23:57 GMT -5
STOP!! They're our allies, don't you know? Sure and commenting on Crossports doesn't qualify us as opinion columnists so we should be safe. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 9, 2022 9:04:29 GMT -5
All of a sudden everyone is going into the recent as wells as deep dark past of all Saudi misdeeds. Nothing to speak of racist Augusta (at one time), the global banks that have defrauded or stole or squandered money, corporations that underpay their rank-and-file employees, people that profit off of war and conflict, etc. Just like with the mascot conversation, no one is above reproach. Especially in those troubled parts of the world, everyone has blood on their hands, the US included. These men are playing golf, and profiting off of their golf talent. They're not joining the ranks of a foreign militia, nor are they going to war against people that play in the PGA. Somebody is paying them to play a sport with no national affiliation, as a professional-- not an amateur. Let them do it. If it's compelling and not in some crazy time zone, I'll give it a watch.
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Post by alum on Jun 9, 2022 9:22:44 GMT -5
I am a little confused as to how this Saudi tour is going to make money (or even generate enough revenue to pay these players what has been guaratneed to them) with no television contract. I don't like a number of the players who are going over to this tour so I am not worried about their decisions, and I don't know enough about antitrust law to really opine on this, but this exclusivity thing that the PGA Tour is claiming seems a little difficult to swallow. They let the players play in majors and in some European tour events (which are opposite PGA events) Why not this? It is anticompetive but is it illegal?
Turning on the television on Sunday afternoon and watching two or three top players battle to win some tournament that has changed names six times is still fun for me. If the product is diluted, part of the enjoyment goes away.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 9, 2022 9:45:46 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Saudis are not concerned about making money or breaking even. Even without a TV contract (thank God, it would be just another golf event running long and pre-empting a show I wanted to watch), this seems to this golf-outsider as a PR, patch up the reputation, event. If MBS and royal family can afford multi-million dollar yachts and jets, does anyone really think they are concerned about losing a few million on this?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 9, 2022 9:53:20 GMT -5
This new tour may not have a profit motive. The organizers may just want to attract top golfers.
In the UAE ( I know- different place than Saudi Arabia) we see thoroughbred races with huge purses but no parimutuel wagering as Islam prohibits betting. So the races are guaranteed to lose money but the sheikh just wants to conduct highest level racing in his country.
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Post by alum on Jun 9, 2022 10:15:52 GMT -5
This new tour may not have a profit motive. The organizers may just want to attract top golfers. In the UAE ( I know- different place than Saudi Arabia) we see thoroughbred races with huge purses but no parimutuel wagering as Islam prohibits betting. So the races are guaranteed to lose money but the sheikh just wants to conduct highest level racing in his country. I suppose you guys are probably right. Russian oligarchs and women's basketball would be another example of this. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 9, 2022 10:35:23 GMT -5
Just like with the mascot conversation, no one is above reproach. Non-Alum Dave is beyond reproach |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jun 9, 2022 11:44:29 GMT -5
Okay, well, once you start mentioning some select saints and faithful, fair enough  |
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Post by HC92 on Jun 9, 2022 11:50:14 GMT -5
Terrible timing for the Travelers Championship in CT next week. Definitely going to thin out the field considerably. It was announced on Tuesday that DeChambeau had committed to play. On Wednesday, he joined the LIV tour.
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Post by alum on Jun 9, 2022 11:50:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Saudis are not concerned about making money or breaking even. Even without a TV contract (thank God, it would be just another golf event running long and pre-empting a show I wanted to watch), this seems to this golf-outsider as a PR, patch up the reputation, event. If MBS and royal family can afford multi-million dollar yachts and jets, does anyone really think they are concerned about losing a few million on this? There is a term to describe this reputation repair---sportswashing. Learn something new every day. www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/sports/golf/liv-golf-pga-tour.html |
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Post by hcpride on Jun 9, 2022 12:21:11 GMT -5
Here’s the suspension memo sent to the LIV players this AM: fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2022/06/09/PGA_TOUR_members_-_060922_memo.pdfMultiple media reports that Bryson DeChambeau and Patrick Reed will shortly be on the below suspended list: Sergio Garcia*, Talor Gooch, Branden Grace*, Dustin Johnson*, Matt Jones, Martin Kaymer*, Graeme McDowell*, Phil Mickelson, Kevin Na* Andy Ogletree, Louis Oosthuizen*, Turk Pettit*, Ian Poulter, Charl Schwartzel*, Hudson Swafford, Peter Uihlein, Lee Westwood* At the risk of stating the obvious, this list (plus DeChambeau and Reed) is no joke. FWIW: The tournament may be watched on LIVGolf.com, YouTube and Facebook. (Not yet listed as available on traditional TV stateside.) |
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