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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 24, 2022 17:13:48 GMT -5
As graduates of a Catholic school and as Catholics we rejoice that the Supreme Court chooses life. (And returns abortion to the states to decide). An awkward spot for Uber- liberal Catholics. After rejoicing, I'm sure you'll also be fighting hard to ensure that those families whose mothers are forced to carry to term (even in cases of rape and incest) also have access to the necessary food, education, and healthcare welfare benefits that are necessary to ensure that they don't needlessly suffer as they grow. "Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fu--ed.” Or even having to carry to term when the fetus isn't viable to live or could hurt the mother with an ectopic pregnancy...?
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2022 17:17:33 GMT -5
What will the woke NFL do, pull the superbowl out of no-abortion states? I'm not going to join the moral arguments which can't be won but there are many other issues this ruling raises that are fascinating. Catholics (the largest religion here in the US) and other folks may be offended by that sort of thing. So the NFL may tread lightly and diverge from the Uber-woke. Get the popcorn as it is the end of intersectionality as we know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 17:23:01 GMT -5
The hard line Catholics are alined with the KKK. Unbelievable.How fast they forget
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2022 17:23:50 GMT -5
After rejoicing, I'm sure you'll also be fighting hard to ensure that those families whose mothers are forced to carry to term (even in cases of rape and incest) also have access to the necessary food, education, and healthcare welfare benefits that are necessary to ensure that they don't needlessly suffer as they grow. "Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fu--ed.” Or even having to carry to term when the fetus isn't viable to live or could hurt the mother with an ectopic pregnancy...? This returns those issues to the states. No biggee.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2022 17:25:44 GMT -5
The hard line Catholics are alined with the KKK. Unbelievable.How fast they forget KKK? Ehlich?
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 24, 2022 17:32:38 GMT -5
Or even having to carry to term when the fetus isn't viable to live or could hurt the mother with an ectopic pregnancy...? This returns those issues to the states. No biggee. Unless you're a poor woman living in one of the backwards states. Or a victim of rape or incest. Or a child who was born into a dangerous or inhospitable environment because their mother wasn't given a choice. But hey, they're not your problem. No biggee.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2022 17:40:38 GMT -5
This returns those issues to the states. No biggee. Unless you're a poor woman living in one of the backwards states. Or a victim of rape or incest. Or a child who was born into a dangerous or inhospitable environment because their mother wasn't given a choice. But hey, they're not your problem. No biggee. It is quite a dilemma for the Uber - liberal Catholics. So much for the intersectionality theorists.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 24, 2022 17:50:01 GMT -5
Unless you're a poor woman living in one of the backwards states. Or a victim of rape or incest. Or a child who was born into a dangerous or inhospitable environment because their mother wasn't given a choice. But hey, they're not your problem. No biggee. It is quite a dilemma for the Uber - liberal Catholics. So much for the intersectionality theorists. What's sad is that you have no dilemma with regard to forcing a mother to give birth to a child that she can't afford and/or care for while also opposing any government assistance to ensure the mother or child's well-being. Pro-life my ass.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2022 17:56:34 GMT -5
It is quite a dilemma for the Uber - liberal Catholics. So much for the intersectionality theorists. What's sad is that you have no dilemma with regard to forcing a mother to give birth to a child that she can't afford and/or care for while also opposing any government assistance to ensure the mother or child's well-being. Pro-life my ass. And some get very very emotional about it in their responses. As expected. Quite a dilemma for Uber-liberal Catholics.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 24, 2022 18:09:12 GMT -5
What astounding hypocrisy. And an entirely predictable and cowardly avoidance of it when called out on it.
Not to mention a perfect encapsulation of why your church is dying.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 24, 2022 18:30:48 GMT -5
Uber-liberal?
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Post by hchoops on Jun 24, 2022 19:02:04 GMT -5
Is that the opposite of trump Republican ?
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Jun 24, 2022 19:33:04 GMT -5
I believe in using our resources to deal with the suffering instead of terminating the sufferer.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jun 24, 2022 20:26:50 GMT -5
Is that the opposite of trump Republican ? It's anyone who cares more about women's rights than buying a gun.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 24, 2022 23:00:56 GMT -5
Dean - please consider locking this thread.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 25, 2022 4:40:52 GMT -5
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Post by crusader12 on Jun 25, 2022 5:19:27 GMT -5
Dean - please consider locking this thread. Give me a break…. Proud to say Clarance Thomas is a Crusader!
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 25, 2022 7:30:16 GMT -5
I see a concurrent obligation on the Church to care for all God's children - pre-born or born. Our parish has a home to shelter mothers who have no support for their pregnancy and then to find them their own residences after the child arrives and to connect them with social services to help support the new family.
No discussion of responsible sexual activity with protection? Why not?
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Post by hcpride on Jun 25, 2022 7:46:34 GMT -5
Notre Dame President Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., released the following statement on Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson decision: "As a Catholic university, Notre Dame is committed to the sanctity of all human life, and I have for many years joined with others in advocating for the protection of unborn life. We acknowledge the divisions among people of good will on the question of abortion, and the controversy that has endured in our nation for the past fifty years. I hope that today’s Supreme Court decision, which returns the question of abortion to voters and their elected representatives, will provide an occasion for sober deliberation and respectful dialogue. We must work with those who share our views and particularly with those who don’t, as we examine the profound and complex moral, legal and social questions involved. We urge everyone to bring to these discussions a generous spirit and, above all, strive to establish laws, policies and programs that ensure equality for women and support for mothers and their children." wsbt.com/amp/news/local/notre-dame-president-releases-statement-on-scotus-decision
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Post by mm67 on Jun 25, 2022 7:54:51 GMT -5
Be careful with "we." Each of us speaks for ourselves and no one else unless appointed to do so. The use of "I" would have been more appropriate & mature. However, there are those always looking to gain attention by rattling cages on one topic after another. There must be a term for this type of behavior in the APA dictionary.
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Post by rf1 on Jun 25, 2022 9:50:43 GMT -5
As graduates of a Catholic school and as Catholics we rejoice that the Supreme Court chooses life. (And returns abortion to the states to decide). An awkward spot for Uber- liberal Catholics.
Enforcing one's religious views on everyone else is not something that should be celebrated. No one forces conservative Catholics to have abortions. Conservative Catholics however want to make abortion impossible for all.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 25, 2022 10:17:31 GMT -5
Be careful with "we." Each of us speaks for ourselves and no one else unless appointed to do so. The use of "I" would have been more appropriate & mature. However, there are those always looking to gain attention by rattling cages on one topic after another. There must be a term for this type of behavior in the APA dictionary. I'll share a thought I had when Father Jenkins went maskless at the Rose Garden Super Spreader event and then got infected back when there was no vaccine, "Notre Dame is better in Sports, but we've got a better President." That's when we had Father B. I haven't been following Father Jenkins but the news reports at the time indicated he wasn't held in uniform high regard by students and faculty who he required to mask on campus. So when he says "we" it doesn't mean too much. It will be interesting to see how PVR responds, which he is under no responsibility to do. Not jumping in to open a new front in a war that HC isn't required to fight would be prudent imo. What would be a good response if he is asked about it by the media or lobbied by various interests in the HC community?
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Post by hcpride on Jun 25, 2022 10:47:37 GMT -5
As graduates of a Catholic school and as Catholics we rejoice that the Supreme Court chooses life. (And returns abortion to the states to decide). An awkward spot for Uber- liberal Catholics.
Enforcing one's religious views on everyone else is not something that should be celebrated. No one forces conservative Catholics to have abortions. Conservative Catholics however want to make abortion impossible for all.
Nope. Read it again. Note the parenthesis. Beyond that, and not to pile on, men and women of all faiths (and no faith at all) are applauding this decision. (Not necessarily covered in every media outlet).
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 25, 2022 11:51:01 GMT -5
"Nope. Read it again. Note the parenthesis.
Beyond that, and not to pile on, men and women of all faiths (and no faith at all) are applauding this decision. (Not necessarily covered in every media outlet)."
And millions of people are devastated, especially women. I'm against abortion, but we live in a secular country and I don't think I have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 25, 2022 16:39:49 GMT -5
Let's all pray for Justice Thomas and his family's safety at this time.
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