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Post by trimster on Jul 2, 2022 12:46:40 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jul 2, 2022 20:23:43 GMT -5
I heard Kirk Herbstreit being interviewed on this the other day. His view was that the Big 10 and the SEC would continue to expand and then go off and do their own thing and break off from the NCAA at least for football. The players will become employees of the colleges and draw a salary. Whether class attendance was part of this or not wasn’t addressed. He said it would be just like the NFL but on Saturdays with the two big conferences essentially being the NFC and AFC.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 2, 2022 20:29:52 GMT -5
Zero chance the NCAA would allow FB programs to walk and allow BB programs to play in the NCAA tourney.
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Post by Ray on Jul 2, 2022 20:33:34 GMT -5
Zero chance the NCAA would allow FB programs to walk and allow BB programs to play in the NCAA tourney. What leverage does the NCAA have to do that? Zero chance CBS would give the NCAA the billions they've committed to March Madness if they're told that these 40-50 schools are now ineligible.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 2, 2022 20:43:15 GMT -5
I heard Kirk Herbstreit being interviewed on this the other day. His view was that the Big 10 and the SEC would continue to expand and then go off and do their own thing and break off from the NCAA at least for football. The players will become employees of the colleges and draw a salary. Whether class attendance was part of this or not wasn’t addressed. He said it would be just like the NFL but on Saturdays with the two big conferences essentially being the NFC and AFC. The drawback to this is the big season ending game would be for something equivalent to the Calder Cup. Competition with the NFL has generally appeared chintzy in comparison and then folded. What is also untested is if the blood loyalty to SEC teams, passed down between generations, will endure when the teams become commercial enterprises. I didn't follow Birmingham in the USFL. Why would I follow Alabama in triple A football?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 2, 2022 20:45:00 GMT -5
NCAA has plenty of leverage in this case. If they don't have to pay the defectors/conferences their share, same amount of $ isn't needed, but believe what what you want.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 2, 2022 21:20:08 GMT -5
NCAA has plenty of leverage in this case. If they don't have to pay the defectors/conferences their share, same amount of $ isn't needed, but believe what what you want. The thing is the NCAA doesn't have any involvement with the 1-A playoff/bowl games. They don't get a cut of the championship money or anything right now. So if the NCAA has any leverage it is with the hoops money.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 3, 2022 4:00:59 GMT -5
The players will become employees of the colleges and draw a salary. Whether class attendance was part of this or not wasn’t addressed. He said it would be just like the NFL but on Saturdays with the two big conferences essentially being the NFC and AFC. This is actually what I've been wishing all the power conference teams would do for quite a while (in football and basketball). It's been a joke for a long time. As much as I like the first 2 days of March Madness, I can live without that if it means the rest of college basketball will go back to being real college basketball, played by kids that want to be at their schools. I've found the FCS football playoffs to be quite interesting (certainly more interesting than the vast majority of the FBS bowls featuring 6-6 teams squaring off) - I could come to enjoy a similar tournament in basketball.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 3, 2022 5:04:41 GMT -5
Hear! Hear! (Or is it Here! Here!?😂)
Nailed it, NAD!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 3, 2022 7:59:27 GMT -5
The players will become employees of the colleges and draw a salary. Whether class attendance was part of this or not wasn’t addressed. He said it would be just like the NFL but on Saturdays with the two big conferences essentially being the NFC and AFC. This is actually what I've been wishing all the power conference teams would do for quite a while (in football and basketball). It's been a joke for a long time. As much as I like the first 2 days of March Madness, I can live without that if it means the rest of college basketball will go back to being real college basketball, played by kids that want to be at their schools. I've found the FCS football playoffs to be quite interesting (certainly more interesting than the vast majority of the FBS bowls featuring 6-6 teams squaring off) - I could come to enjoy a similar tournament in basketball.Same.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 3, 2022 8:21:18 GMT -5
I don’t know if I’m quite there yet on accepting losing March Madness as we know it, but I’m certainly much closer than I’ve ever been.
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Post by trimster on Jul 3, 2022 8:36:05 GMT -5
The NCAA hoops tourney is all about David vs. Goliath. David vs David and Goliath vs Goliath doesn’t make the cut.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 3, 2022 8:50:54 GMT -5
Hear! Hear! (Or is it Here! Here!?😂) Nailed it, NAD! Hear! Here! to be safe.☺️
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Post by timholycross on Jul 3, 2022 9:13:00 GMT -5
A separation of the tournament makes the lower level D2, D2 becomes D3 and D3 becomes D4. And the new D2 in effect gets as much coverage as the present NIT. Some, but pales in comparison to the top level.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 3, 2022 10:16:27 GMT -5
Currently the NIT and FCS tournaments get modest coverage, but the FCS tournament is for an NCAA national championship which represents the best school in that NCAA sub-division. That has a certain value of it's own.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 3, 2022 11:23:42 GMT -5
As someone who spends time watching games from conferences like the Big West, Colonial League, Horizon League, etc., I feel pretty certain I wouldn't watch a Goliath vs. Goliath March Madness, and watch the March Top Amateurs tournament instead.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 3, 2022 11:35:57 GMT -5
I agree with those who said they would not find goliath vs goliath attractive. Perhaps they could rename the tournament with "March Megalomania" replacing "March Madness."
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 3, 2022 12:07:00 GMT -5
As someone who spends time watching games from conferences like the Big West, Colonial League, Horizon League, etc., I feel pretty certain I wouldn't watch a Goliath vs. Goliath March Madness, and watch the March Top Amateurs tournament instead. 100%. I would watch out-of-town regular season NBA games before I watched an "all P5" March Madness. And no, if the likes of Memphis, Gonzaga and the A-10 were included in that, it wouldn't quench my thirst for seeing a tournament Cinderella.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 3, 2022 12:18:39 GMT -5
Let us concede that we here have a different perspective than those who attended or follow state U who might still want to watch the Goliaths battle it out.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 3, 2022 13:37:27 GMT -5
Watching the NBA Draft last week, who really knew any of those players? 25 years ago, you knew the top players in the college game.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 3, 2022 16:40:24 GMT -5
Watching the NBA Draft last week, who really knew any of those players? 25 years ago, you knew the top players in the college game. Even the one-and-dones this year seemed to lack something.
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 7, 2022 16:50:45 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jul 7, 2022 16:54:52 GMT -5
It may be nearly impossible down the road to be relevant in the top tier of college football without being in the SEC or B1G.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 7, 2022 16:59:51 GMT -5
All a matter of subjective relevance.
I have virtually no interest in these power conferences. If I want to watch the pros, I’ll watch the NFL. As for actual college football, I’m happy with FCS, PL, Ivy, etc.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 10, 2022 9:21:01 GMT -5
Let us concede that we here have a different perspective than those who attended or follow state U who might still want to watch the Goliaths battle it out. I think the live events would still continue to sell out for an "all-Goliath" NCAA Tournament. And TV ratings for the Final Four wouldn't drop much, if at all. I think the total value of the TV contract would absolutely drop because people wouldn't religiously binge-watch opening weekend like they do now.
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