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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 12, 2022 19:44:56 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 13, 2022 6:25:03 GMT -5
What exactly is a name-image-likeness pool? I thought the arrangements were between some business/person and a player (the omission of the term student-athlete is 100% intentional)...the pool implies someone at the school is calling the shots.
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Post by alum on Jul 13, 2022 7:26:48 GMT -5
Soon enough, some player is going to be making a $1000 appearance on the day of an AR 15 sale in Uvalde (spend $500 and get a photograph with star athlete A) or doing a tour of an abortion clinic with the video posted on YouTube. (Click here to schedule an appointment. Athlete B gets $50.) It is just a matter of time. I don't have a problem with this being legal, but, like many fans, I am afraid my interest in college sports is going to wane.
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Post by Ray on Jul 14, 2022 21:16:28 GMT -5
What exactly is a name-image-likeness pool? I thought the arrangements were between some business/person and a player (the omission of the term student-athlete is 100% intentional)...the pool implies someone at the school is calling the shots. If you read the article, the event is not sponsored by the school. It’s sponsored by a “Friends of…” group for PC hoops. Essentially a booster org. |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 15, 2022 9:19:11 GMT -5
What exactly is a name-image-likeness pool? I thought the arrangements were between some business/person and a player (the omission of the term student-athlete is 100% intentional)...the pool implies someone at the school is calling the shots. If you read the article, the event is not sponsored by the school. It’s sponsored by a “Friends of…” group for PC hoops. Essentially a booster org. But then the booster organization gets to hand out the money collected to the players? I can see if the booster organization gets commitments from companies to hire players as spokespersons, that sort of thing; no problem with that. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 15, 2022 11:05:20 GMT -5
These NIL funders are buying something intangible but without question it's not worth it. Ernie D is probably just as happy to chat about the Friars in the supermarket check out line as he is on a Boston Harbor Cruise.
I have been in line with "Satch" Sanders and his face lit up when I brought up the Celtics. Ernie is probably the same way.
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Post by Ray on Jul 15, 2022 13:20:18 GMT -5
If you read the article, the event is not sponsored by the school. It’s sponsored by a “Friends of…” group for PC hoops. Essentially a booster org. But then the booster organization gets to hand out the money collected to the players? I can see if the booster organization gets commitments from companies to hire players as spokespersons, that sort of thing; no problem with that. Could see both in practice. Booster org could be positioning themselves as a NIL clearinghouse of sorts, brokering opportunities between sponsors/NIL funding sources and the players. Maybe that's even a wink-wink with the athletic dept, because it saves the players from having to field/vet requests directly (or have the athletic dept do that). It's not like these guys have agents (haha) to do that stuff for them.
Could also be that the booster org starts doing things like sponsoring podcasts/media outfits that interview the players (weekly radio appearance, whatever) and either comp the players themselves or funnel the outlet's donation to the players.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 15, 2022 15:24:12 GMT -5
Why is it every time I read up on this subject I feel the need for a shot of Pepto?
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Post by timholycross on Jul 15, 2022 17:35:21 GMT -5
These NIL funders are buying something intangible but without question it's not worth it. Ernie D is probably just as happy to chat about the Friars in the supermarket check out line as he is on a Boston Harbor Cruise. I have been in line with "Satch" Sanders and his face lit up when I brought up the Celtics. Ernie is probably the same way. Didn't Ernie get in a brouhaha with our old SID, Richie Lewis (who moved on to PC) because he hung around PC so much? |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 18, 2022 20:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 18, 2022 20:52:30 GMT -5
Let's erect a statue of Lane Kiffin. Not. |
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Post by Tom on Jul 19, 2022 10:23:15 GMT -5
I suppose there's some truth to statement that schools that pay out lots of money will attract better players. The above comment makes little sense. If I, as a HC fan, give a boatload of cash to HC92's kid to play soccer at HC and the coach doesn't think he deserves minutes, that's on me. I can whine and threaten to never hand out a boat load of cash again, but the coach's job isn't to make me happy. Unless he thinks he can't win without my cash to bribe players to come to HC, the coach isn't licking my boots
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 20, 2022 9:35:32 GMT -5
I suppose there's some truth to statement that schools that pay out lots of money will attract better players. The above comment makes little sense. If I, as a HC fan, give a boatload of cash to HC92's kid to play soccer at HC and the coach doesn't think he deserves minutes, that's on me. I can whine and threaten to never hand out a boat load of cash again, but the coach's job isn't to make me happy. Unless he thinks he can't win without my cash to bribe players to come to HC, the coach isn't licking my boots Texas Tech |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 28, 2022 20:18:19 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 28, 2022 22:00:28 GMT -5
Here's a full length program about a PC coach, Joe Mullaney.
I'm pretty sure this is the program that showed up on Rhode Island's PBS station once. I saw a couple of minutes of it at the time, even asked the station if they were going to show it again, and they said "no".
A few clips from his HC playing days,and around the 30 minute mark is the HC/PC NIT game from 1961.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 29, 2022 6:02:40 GMT -5
Which PC apparently won 96-0.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 29, 2022 9:23:08 GMT -5
Which PC apparently won 96-0. Yeah, and HC had all that momentum after Ernst missed those free throws. Loved seeing HC's guys jumping up and down when he missed. One of the first college basketball games I have any recollection of. 4th grade. |
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2022 8:21:59 GMT -5
Here's a full length program about a PC coach, Joe Mullaney. I'm pretty sure this is the program that showed up on Rhode Island's PBS station once. I saw a couple of minutes of it at the time, even asked the station if they were going to show it again, and they said "no". A few clips from his HC playing days,and around the 30 minute mark is the HC/PC NIT game from 1961. Very interesting take. Kind of sad to hear him describe how college basketball had changed between his two stints at PC. Interesting to hear him talk about the matchup zone. At one point star guard Vinnie Ernst said, “I knew what I was doing out front, I had no idea what was going on behind me.” |
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Post by timholycross on Jul 30, 2022 8:47:40 GMT -5
When Gavitt left PC, hiring Gary Walters (think Carmody w/o the win-loss record in the Ivies) then Joe Mullaney were odd choices. PC was light in the talent area and neither man's forte was recruiting.
Joe Mullaney was 36 when he won the NIT, so 56 when he did his second stint at Providence. He'd been around so long that I'd have guessed 46 and 66. Not too many men in that era coached that long.
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2022 8:58:08 GMT -5
I didn't realize Mullaney was as good a college player as he was.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 31, 2022 7:53:49 GMT -5
You wonder how smaller private schools like PC, St Johns and Seton Hall with a smaller alumni base and much fewer "subway alumni" will compete with the likes of UNC, Kemtucky, Louisville, Michigan State, Kansas, UCLA, etc. in this new world of college sports.
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Post by trimster on Jul 31, 2022 8:22:45 GMT -5
You wonder how smaller private schools like PC, St Johns and Seton Hall with a smaller alumni base and much fewer "subway alumni" will compete with the likes of UNC, Kemtucky, Louisville, Michigan State, Kansas, UCLA, etc. in this new world of college sports. The great thing about basketball is if you have 6-7 really good players, you can compete with just about anybody. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 31, 2022 8:37:55 GMT -5
That is quite true but now they may also need to be "the best players money can buy."  |
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Post by rf1 on Jul 31, 2022 9:15:27 GMT -5
Why were former PC coaches Gordie Chiesa and Keno Davis not there? |
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 31, 2022 10:32:49 GMT -5
I can see PC and maybe Seton Hall as a "smaller private school," but not St. John's which used to have the distinction of being the single largest Catholic University in the country with something like 29,000 enrollment.
Just checked: undergrad: 13,333, grad: 4,258, total: 17,591
Not a small private school.
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