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Post by efg72 on Jul 22, 2022 16:55:40 GMT -5
A post by a former colleague
College athletes work really hard. They also bring in millions and millions of $ to universities that benefit far more than their sports. College sports is big business and Texas Tech is no different than most when it comes to competing at the highest level. Happy for Chief Clayton Collins and his teammates as this week they signed an NIL deal that will pay players $25k each on an annual basis. Crazy!!! But….he’ll take it!
My response
Very Happy for your son, but i truly believe this destroys the concept of a student athlete and college sports
But then again since i played, albeit very poorly, the whole world has changed
But congratulations to your son as big time sports is a full time commitment
God Bless
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Jul 22, 2022 17:20:33 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Jul 22, 2022 17:20:33 GMT -5
Well said, efg
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Jul 22, 2022 22:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by southernsader on Jul 22, 2022 22:38:05 GMT -5
There are certain NIL deals which involve companies paying players to promote their products, appear in commercials, etc. Then there are the total jokes like Texas Tech. Those 25K per player deals are provided by the "Texas Tech Collective". In exchange for the money, the players provide - wait for it - "community service".
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Jul 23, 2022 13:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 23, 2022 13:43:45 GMT -5
And then there are websites that sell individual player merchandise and apparel with the player getting 25% or so of the purchase. About the same as shopping at the Patriots pro shop website except you are benefitting a student athelete instead of a billionaire.
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Jul 25, 2022 14:58:59 GMT -5
Post by bfoley82 on Jul 25, 2022 14:58:59 GMT -5
A post by a former colleague College athletes work really hard. They also bring in millions and millions of $ to universities that benefit far more than their sports. College sports is big business and Texas Tech is no different than most when it comes to competing at the highest level. Happy for Chief Clayton Collins and his teammates as this week they signed an NIL deal that will pay players $25k each on an annual basis. Crazy!!! But….he’ll take it! My response Very Happy for your son, but i truly believe this destroys the concept of a student athlete and college sports But then again since i played, albeit very poorly, the whole world has changed But congratulations to your son as big time sports is a full time commitment God Bless College Athletes aren't bringing in millions to a school for the vast majority of college athletes.
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Jul 25, 2022 15:01:24 GMT -5
Post by bfoley82 on Jul 25, 2022 15:01:24 GMT -5
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Jul 30, 2022 8:52:09 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jul 30, 2022 8:52:09 GMT -5
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Jul 30, 2022 9:25:39 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 30, 2022 9:25:39 GMT -5
I think many of the second-tier state universities (as far as funding goes) are going to be unable to compete with the machines like Texas, Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. This goes for the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Mississippi State, Kansas State, Pitt, Purdue and Georgia Tech. UConn's decision to go all-in on Big East basketball in exchange for football independence actually isn't looking so bad right now. You wonder if some of the private schools in major conferences like Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt team up with the likes of Tulane and Rice to form a "Magnolia League". Georgia Tech would probably fit well into this group as well.
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Jul 30, 2022 10:08:09 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 30, 2022 10:08:09 GMT -5
Are players now allowed to hire agents to lead their NIL and transfer efforts? Are CAA and Boras and the like going to be able to shop top college players around to NIL funders and to other colleges "Hello, Mr Big-Time Coach, I'm representing Joe Jones who, as you may well know, ran for 1,200 yards and 19 touchdowns last year for State U. I think for maybe $80,000 he'd be willing to bring his talents to your fine institution. Let me know what you think-I have to answer this call from Coach X down there in SEC land."
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Jul 30, 2022 10:15:56 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 30, 2022 10:15:56 GMT -5
Hello Mr. Boras? I'm the coach of Tiny State College. You've never heard of us, but our top booster won the billion dollar lottery last night and we'd like to order 22 starting players please.🙂
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Jul 30, 2022 10:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Jul 30, 2022 10:54:37 GMT -5
I don’t know if efg’s original post refers to the womens basketball team at Texas Tech but ESPN had a report today that each of the players on tech’s womens team will receive 25K
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Jul 30, 2022 11:09:39 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jul 30, 2022 11:09:39 GMT -5
It was the football team.
according to the dad it sounded like they arranged the$$ for each athlete playing a major sport.
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Jul 30, 2022 17:00:33 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Jul 30, 2022 17:00:33 GMT -5
Hello Mr. Boras? I'm the coach of Tiny State College. You've never heard of us, but our top booster won the billion dollar lottery last night and we'd like to order 22 starting players please.🙂 The winning ticket came from Illinois. Several universities in that area are keeping their fingers crossed that the person holding the ticket is an alum.
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Jul 30, 2022 21:10:15 GMT -5
Post by newadvisor on Jul 30, 2022 21:10:15 GMT -5
How about this, a kid signs with a school he gets $$$ for NIL. Then he has to graduate from that school to collect. Think this would be fair for both parties. Not sure if the SEC. or BIG 10 would agree, but it holds everybodies feet to the fire. Just MHO not sure what's going to fix this mess.
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Jul 30, 2022 21:53:56 GMT -5
Post by matunuck on Jul 30, 2022 21:53:56 GMT -5
You wonder if some of the private schools in major conferences like Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt team up with the likes of Tulane and Rice to form a "Magnolia League". Georgia Tech would probably fit well into this group as well. Don’t see Vanderbilt giving up that SEC check.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 30, 2022 21:55:44 GMT -5
Any NIL $ should go against schollie $. Got a schollie worth 250k, make 300k in NIL $, you owe the school 50K.
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Jul 31, 2022 5:55:06 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 31, 2022 5:55:06 GMT -5
Any NIL $ should go against schollie $. Got a schollie worth 250k, make 300k in NIL $, you owe the school 50K. Not a bad idea, issue is athletic scholarships are not considered "need-based". A student who receives a full ride somewhere for a music scholarship isn't being asked to return funds if they earn income from YouTube, Spotify or from playing gigs on their own time. IMO there are only 2 solutions: 1) NCAA should make it against the rules for schools or their booster networks to directly facilitate NIL deals. You definitely still end up with some gray area (i.e. many legit business owners in college towns who would employ these players are likely alum or boosters themselves) but this would hopefully eliminate the third-party agencies that exist for the sole purposes of raising funds to allow for what's effectively paid players. 2) Go full on wild west and allow the major players in college sports to create their own super league, which is already happening. And then everyone else can participate in and enjoy the product that is amateur athletics. By 2025 we'll already be 2/3 of the way there on option two. I HOPE the big-time schools at this point break off from the NCAA and do whatever they want. Paid players is already a rap. Next will be elimination of any academic eligibility requirements. Left for the NFL or NBA and it didn't work out after a year or two? Don't worry come back to Alabama or Ohio State and you can play ten more without having to worry about being a student if you so choose.
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Jul 31, 2022 17:45:07 GMT -5
Post by gks on Jul 31, 2022 17:45:07 GMT -5
I think many of the second-tier state universities (as far as funding goes) are going to be unable to compete with the machines like Texas, Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. This goes for the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Mississippi State, Kansas State, Pitt, Purdue and Georgia Tech. UConn's decision to go all-in on Big East basketball in exchange for football independence actually isn't looking so bad right now. You wonder if some of the private schools in major conferences like Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt team up with the likes of Tulane and Rice to form a "Magnolia League". Georgia Tech would probably fit well into this group as well. There is NO way any of these schools would ditch their current league. Nor would their respective leagues ditch them.
ACC schools are another story. Just a personal hunch but I think that league is not long for this world.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 31, 2022 17:50:57 GMT -5
Years ago I posted that the NCAA should consider just eliminating the hypocrisy and have colleges and universities pay a salary to the athletes in football and basketball (possibly other sports that are already quasi-professional) and, if the players decide they actually want to be the "student" part of "student-athlete," let them pay regular room, board, tuition, fees, etc. from those salaries.
While I thought that was a wild & crazy idea (a tip of the hat to Steve Martin) that could never actually happen, this NIL stuff is making it look downright reasonable.
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Jul 31, 2022 22:51:23 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 31, 2022 22:51:23 GMT -5
Going full cycle back to the origin of college sports, most Community College players, other than the occasional Drew Lowder/Bubba Humphrey mid career types, are true walk-ons as you typically attend the Community College closest to you or one within driving distance that has a program you want.
If a coach recruits it is probably from current students or HS kids in nearby towns.
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Aug 1, 2022 6:09:32 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 1, 2022 6:09:32 GMT -5
I think many of the second-tier state universities (as far as funding goes) are going to be unable to compete with the machines like Texas, Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan. This goes for the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Mississippi State, Kansas State, Pitt, Purdue and Georgia Tech. UConn's decision to go all-in on Big East basketball in exchange for football independence actually isn't looking so bad right now. You wonder if some of the private schools in major conferences like Northwestern, Duke, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt team up with the likes of Tulane and Rice to form a "Magnolia League". Georgia Tech would probably fit well into this group as well. There is NO way any of these schools would ditch their current league. Nor would their respective leagues ditch them.
ACC schools are another story. Just a personal hunch but I think that league is not long for this world.
If the conferences continue to exist, yes no way these schools are ditching. Nor will Vanderbilt get "kicked out" of the SEC or Northwestern from the Big Ten. But what I'm thinking is that in football specifically it's possible in 10 years these conferences won't even formally exist, even the Big Ten and SEC. I'm thinking you'll end up with some new super league made up of North-ish and South-ish Divisions. And then those divisions will have regional pods within them. Might be extreme but everything going on at this level of college sports is extreme.
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Aug 1, 2022 6:51:57 GMT -5
Post by gks on Aug 1, 2022 6:51:57 GMT -5
There is NO way any of these schools would ditch their current league. Nor would their respective leagues ditch them.
ACC schools are another story. Just a personal hunch but I think that league is not long for this world.
If the conferences continue to exist, yes no way these schools are ditching. Nor will Vanderbilt get "kicked out" of the SEC or Northwestern from the Big Ten. But what I'm thinking is that in football specifically it's possible in 10 years these conferences won't even formally exist, even the Big Ten and SEC. I'm thinking you'll end up with some new super league made up of North-ish and South-ish Divisions. And then those divisions will have regional pods within them. Might be extreme but everything going on at this level of college sports is extreme. Collegiate conferences are now being formed based on media markets. Hence USC and UCLA in Big Ten. Just the money alone from the Big Ten Network being relevant in the LA market is ridiculous. Vanderbilt (Nashville) and Northwestern (Chicago) will be valuable assets/markets for any super leagues.
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Aug 1, 2022 8:57:23 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 1, 2022 8:57:23 GMT -5
If the conferences continue to exist, yes no way these schools are ditching. Nor will Vanderbilt get "kicked out" of the SEC or Northwestern from the Big Ten. But what I'm thinking is that in football specifically it's possible in 10 years these conferences won't even formally exist, even the Big Ten and SEC. I'm thinking you'll end up with some new super league made up of North-ish and South-ish Divisions. And then those divisions will have regional pods within them. Might be extreme but everything going on at this level of college sports is extreme. Collegiate conferences are now being formed based on media markets. Hence USC and UCLA in Big Ten. Just the money alone from the Big Ten Network being relevant in the LA market is ridiculous. Vanderbilt (Nashville) and Northwestern (Chicago) will be valuable assets/markets for any super leagues. I disagree. While Nashville is a great location for the SEC to be in, and one of the more popular travel destinations for opposing fans, I doubt the number of incremental TV sets turned on is significant. For every 1 person streaming or watching the Vandy game on TV in the Nashville area, there are probably 6 watching the Tennessee game. Same goes for Northwestern. In Chicago, while Illinois football probably isn't that big of a deal, Notre Dame is. Same with Rutgers IMO. No one in NY cares. The vast majority of people who consciously made the decision to go with a cable company specifically to get BTN did so independent of the fact that Rutgers is in the conference. Comparing Northwestern and Vanderbilt to UCLA and USC is silly when you understand the relative impact those programs all have within their home markets.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 1, 2022 9:13:29 GMT -5
Trust me- market DMA rank is what matters, and Chi is #3, and Nash is 29. These are the most important numbers when leagues are negotiating TV contracts.
It also has much to do with league opponents who are draws.
In short- Chi and Nash are very important markets to the B1G and SEC.
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Post by gks on Aug 1, 2022 9:21:04 GMT -5
Collegiate conferences are now being formed based on media markets. Hence USC and UCLA in Big Ten. Just the money alone from the Big Ten Network being relevant in the LA market is ridiculous. Vanderbilt (Nashville) and Northwestern (Chicago) will be valuable assets/markets for any super leagues. I disagree. While Nashville is a great location for the SEC to be in, and one of the more popular travel destinations for opposing fans, I doubt the number of incremental TV sets turned on is significant. For every 1 person streaming or watching the Vandy game on TV in the Nashville area, there are probably 6 watching the Tennessee game. Same goes for Northwestern. In Chicago, while Illinois football probably isn't that big of a deal, Notre Dame is. Same with Rutgers IMO. No one in NY cares. The vast majority of people who consciously made the decision to go with a cable company specifically to get BTN did so independent of the fact that Rutgers is in the conference. Comparing Northwestern and Vanderbilt to UCLA and USC is silly when you understand the relative impact those programs all have within their home markets. It's not about how good the teams are. It's about eye balls on the cable system (that's why Rutgers is in the Big Ten to get their network on NYC cable). Impact on the field has nothing to do with it.
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