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Jan 31, 2023 18:37:58 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Jan 31, 2023 18:37:58 GMT -5
Report: Alabama's Nick Saban Received NIL Requests from 2 Players Totaling $1.3M
TIMOTHY RAPP
JANUARY 31, 2023
NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA - DECEMBER 31: Head coach Nick Saban of the Alabama Crimson Tide looks on during the Allstate Sugar Bowl at Caesars Superdome on December 31, 2022 in New Orleans, Louisiana. (Photo by Chris Graythen/Getty Images)
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Nick Saban doesn't appear to be thrilled with the trajectory of NIL requests from potential incoming recruits.
The Alabama football head coach, speaking at the 18th annual Alabama Football Coaches Association convention on Thursday in Montgomery, reportedly told attendees that a cornerback recruit requested $800,000 to sign with the Crimson Tide and another player in the transfer portal requested $500,000, per Glenn Guilbeau of OutKick and Nick Alvarez of AL.com.
Saban reportedly turned down both players.
One of the attendees at the ALFCA convention, Baker High School coach Steve Normand, told Guilbeau that Saban said the following about the cornerback: "Someone with one of the best corners in the nation [in high school] came to me and asked if we'd pay them $800,000 for the player to sign here. I told him he can find another place to play. ... I'm not paying a kid a bunch of NIL money before he earns it."
Clarence Williams, the offensive and recruiting coordinator at Ramsay High, was also in attendance and told Alvarez that Saban said the following: "This ain't the school for you then because it's not fair for those that are already here for someone to come in and ask, who hadn't played a snap yet, and proved yourself on that level, already demanding money."
Saban reportedly told attendees that the player in the transfer portal who requested $500,000 also asked that his girlfriend be enrolled at law school at Alabama and that her tuition be covered.
"I showed him the door," Saban reportedly said.
Saban, 71, has been critical of NIL deals in the past. In May, he accused Texas A&M of buying its 2022 recruiting class, which finished atop 247Sports' rankings. Alabama was No. 2.
"I know the consequence is going to be difficult for the people who are spending tons of money to get players," he said at a business event, per Mike Rodak of AL.com. "You read about it, you know who they are. We were second in recruiting last year. A&M was first. A&M bought every player on their team. Made a deal for name, image and likeness."
There's no question that the NIL rules have changed the landscape of college recruiting. There's also no question that head coaches like Saban have exorbitant sums of money from college football, with Saban reportedly under contract for eight years and $93.6 million.
That always lends a touch of hypocrisy to complaints about a system that now allows college athletes to also make money from the multibillion-dollar sport they participate in, even if the unregulated nature of the current system has created a Wild West feel to the NIL landscape.
It's made life for coaches like Saban more complicated, no doubt. Whether that's actually a bad thing for the sport, or its athletes, is another debate entirely.
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Jan 31, 2023 21:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 31, 2023 21:27:50 GMT -5
Gov Charlie Baker is taking over the helm of the NCAA. By all accounts he’s a well respected guy and his first task is to put some controls on the NIL and the transfer portal madness
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Feb 1, 2023 12:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Feb 1, 2023 12:01:14 GMT -5
The horse is out of the barn
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 1, 2023 12:17:12 GMT -5
Gov Charlie Baker is taking over the helm of the NCAA. By all accounts he’s a well respected guy and his first task is to put some controls on the NIL and the transfer portal madness Recently Bob Gates (the former CI A ,SecDef, Pres Texas A&M & Chancellor Wm & Mary) opined that since college & university conferences are multistate, federal legislation is needed. |
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Feb 4, 2023 9:15:33 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Feb 4, 2023 9:15:33 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2023 9:35:20 GMT -5
I think Mr Finebaum has it 100% correct.
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Feb 4, 2023 10:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 4, 2023 10:27:50 GMT -5
Maybe ND should consider dropping to FCS? They quickly get another national championship.
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Feb 4, 2023 10:47:40 GMT -5
Post by mm67 on Feb 4, 2023 10:47:40 GMT -5
ND is an Independent with no conference affiliation in football. It is a high quality academic institution which, perish the thought, requires its athletes to attend classes at various levels. FBS schools have organized faux NIL donors in a transparent attempt to pay athletes. Rather than money under the table as was common now cash payments are legal and out in the open. Can't blame players for grabbing big bucks if its legal. Yet, ND has sought to limit this type of professionalization of its football teams. The school has not provided illegal cash to its athletes. It has had relatively clean program. ND has been a beacon of light. What will ND do? Will ND relent & organize alums& businesses to provide NIL cash? Can ND succeed in this new world?
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Feb 4, 2023 10:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Feb 4, 2023 10:58:00 GMT -5
Maybe ND should consider dropping to FCS? They quickly get another national championship. LOL Prevailing opinion (including that of one Brian Kelly and most likely Tommy Rees) amongst some experts is that they cannot/will not play the up-front NIL game and thus will not have a good shot at the very very top. Because of their undergraduate academic requirements ND is very limited in its use of the transfer portal for undergraduates. They did pick up a terrific (graduate) QB from Wake Forest out of the portal. So if you don’t do up-front NIL and can’t participate much in the undergrad transfer game you’re in a tough position vis a vis the very very top FBS football powerhouses. |
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Feb 4, 2023 12:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Feb 4, 2023 12:22:35 GMT -5
I was told that in the '60's there was talk of ND downscaling to the IL. ND's football program with its big time emphasis and athletic scholarships was the stumbling block. Talks broke off.
Can a great, high academic university maintain a successful big time FBS/Power 5 program and maintain its academic integrity in today's climate? See Stanford, Cal Berkeley, Northwestern, and others and yes BC, too. Surely these schools have made some academic compromises but maybe with NIL & increased use of the transfer portal, big time college athletics has reached a tipping point. Go all out for broke & field truly professional football/b-ball teams?
Maybe, FCS/mid -major small time HC athletics is a good spot after all.
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Feb 4, 2023 13:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by necfbfan on Feb 4, 2023 13:27:03 GMT -5
I was told that in the '60's there was talk of ND downscaling to the IL. ND's football program with its big time emphasis and athletic scholarships was the stumbling block. Talks broke off. Can a great, high academic university maintain a successful big time FBS/Power 5 program and maintain its academic integrity in today's climate? See Stanford, Cal Berkeley, Northwestern, and others and yes BC, too. Surely these schools have made some academic compromises but maybe with NIL & increased use of the transfer portal, big time college athletics has reached a tipping point. Go all out for broke & field truly professional football/b-ball teams? Maybe, FCS/mid -major small time HC athletics is a good spot after all. Agreed! For now... Holy Cross is far from the first college/university that needs to worry bout an FBS jump. I don't foresee this being an issue within even the next decade, but who knows what the college football world will look like in 15-20 years (In terms of regulations and rules,) and how that may suite Holy Cross? I do, however, expect an exodus out of the FCS by any program that can afford to do so. The more time that elapses, the more the FBS will start to vaguely resemble the college basketball model. The ASUN & WAC have already announced intentions to jump to FBS football. Delaware announced that they want to go to the FBS. And although I don't have the quote (Forgive me,) I believe the AD of Montana recently said something to the effect of "We're not bound to the Big Sky." Kennesaw State, Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, these are all teams just now making the jump. Schools see the writing on the walls. There's way more money and exposure in FBS football than there is in FCS. Again, I don't think this is nearly a pressing matter for Holy Cross right now. 20-30 years from now? It could be something to consider. But who knows what the landscape will look like then. |
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Post by mm67 on Feb 4, 2023 13:54:30 GMT -5
As I am not expecting to live to 100+ years I'll let the future decide for itself.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 4, 2023 15:02:16 GMT -5
I was told that in the '60's there was talk of ND downscaling to the IL. ND's football program with its big time emphasis and athletic scholarships was the stumbling block. Talks broke off. Can a great, high academic university maintain a successful big time FBS/Power 5 program and maintain its academic integrity in today's climate? See Stanford, Cal Berkeley, Northwestern, and others and yes BC, too. Surely these schools have made some academic compromises but maybe with NIL & increased use of the transfer portal, big time college athletics has reached a tipping point. Go all out for broke & field truly professional football/b-ball teams? Maybe, FCS/mid -major small time HC athletics is a good spot after all. Agreed! For now... Holy Cross is far from the first college/university that needs to worry bout an FBS jump. I don't foresee this being an issue within even the next decade, but who knows what the college football world will look like in 15-20 years (In terms of regulations and rules,) and how that may suite Holy Cross? I do, however, expect an exodus out of the FCS by any program that can afford to do so. The more time that elapses, the more the FBS will start to vaguely resemble the college basketball model. The ASUN & WAC have already announced intentions to jump to FBS football. Delaware announced that they want to go to the FBS. And although I don't have the quote (Forgive me,) I believe the AD of Montana recently said something to the effect of "We're not bound to the Big Sky." Kennesaw State, Sam Houston, Jacksonville State, these are all teams just now making the jump. Schools see the writing on the walls. There's way more money and exposure in FBS football than there is in FCS. Again, I don't think this is nearly a pressing matter for Holy Cross right now. 20-30 years from now? It could be something to consider. But who knows what the landscape will look like then. As of right now, it's not possible for a conference to "declare itself FBS" and just move up. Also, with exception of Liberty who lobbied for years for a waiver, individual schools cannot jump without an invite from an existing FBS conference. The last FBS conference to have been created was the Sun Belt in 2001 which sort of morphed out of the Big West. There are barriers to entry -- the big schools don't want to share money with the small schools, which is the reason the I-AA division was created in the first place. If TPTB decide to roll back those barriers to entry, it will open up a massive can of worms. If mediocre FCS leagues like the WAC and ASUN can just move up with a snap of a finger without meeting any requirements (stadium size, attendance, etc.), surely the Missouri Valley Football Conference and Big Sky would follow suit immediately. Same with the SWAC, which has already been pining to move up -- at least the SWAC schools for most part bring in G5-level attendance figures. Delaware, despite a pretty disappointing decade of results at the FCS level, could easily become a solid G5 program. They could give the Sun Belt a footprint in the Northeast, and travel would actually be somewhat reasonable with JMU, ODU and Marshall now in the league. MAC hasn't showed much interest in expansion lately, shrugging off MTSU and WKU as CUSA was imploding with defections last year. |
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Feb 5, 2023 0:12:37 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 5, 2023 0:12:37 GMT -5
If past is prologue, Fordham will have an NIL collective up and running within two years, and all the PL schools will reluctantly agree to do the same except Georgetown, who still is competing as if it's 1993.
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Feb 5, 2023 9:00:13 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 5, 2023 9:00:13 GMT -5
Bring BAACK the MAAC!!!!
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Feb 5, 2023 10:04:19 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Feb 5, 2023 10:04:19 GMT -5
Most of the SWAC schools don't have a pot to piss in. A couple could make the move on their own, perhaps.
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Feb 5, 2023 12:32:39 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 5, 2023 12:32:39 GMT -5
Most of the SWAC schools don't have a pot to piss in. A couple could make the move on their own, perhaps. Most of the SWAC schools are hanging by a thread financially. The quality of play is more or less D-II caliber. The one calling card they have is that they fill stadiums. Florida A&M actually tried to individually move up to I-A in the early 2000's and were supposed to join the old CUSA. However, they returned to I-AA after two years of being a provisional I-A member. And to be frank, their once proud program took nearly two decades to recover from this failed move. Given that the current Conference USA is in near-dire straights membership-wise, I could've maybe seen Jackson State with Deion still at the helm angling to move up. But I think it would really only make sense at this point for the entire SWAC Conference to move up together, if a climate gets generated that allows FCS conferences to move up. I really don't see this happening unless TPTB are happy going back to the old non-divided DI structure, sharing $$ with smaller schools. Or perhaps the power programs will leave the NCAA altogether as has been talked about and create their own semi-pro league with its own set of rules. Then you'd have the rest of FBS and all of FCS coming together to create "Division I" or whatever you'd call it. |
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Feb 8, 2023 21:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by classof83 on Feb 8, 2023 21:20:15 GMT -5
With a few well-heeled alums, the NIL could be the way HC could turn around the basketball program very quickly  |
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Feb 8, 2023 22:21:44 GMT -5
Post by longsuffering on Feb 8, 2023 22:21:44 GMT -5
With a few well-heeled alums, the NIL could be the way HC could turn around the basketball program very quickly Do you think the NIL could distribute more cash directed at improving athletic performance at HC than the CAF does? Does the NIL play more to large donor egos to loosen their wallet than the large development machine HC currently has deployed? |
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Feb 8, 2023 23:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 8, 2023 23:50:20 GMT -5
Isn’t the idea that the NIL enables players to get cash payments? The Crusader Athletic Fund doesn’t do that
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Feb 9, 2023 2:47:37 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 9, 2023 2:47:37 GMT -5
Isn’t the idea that the NIL enables players to get cash payments? The Crusader Athletic Fund doesn’t do that Yes but if HC alumni, fans and boosters have a fixed amount they can expend, which destination per dollar spent advances HC athletics more, the CAF used by the AD or NIL payments directly to student athletes? And would NIL payments have the potential to exceed CAF donations if they provide a better perceived return to the funder? In other words if a Crusader Booster owned a business and he could get a star player to make promotional visits for his business could he pay $10,000 to the player when he could only justify a $5,000 donation to the CAF which only gives him a thank you letter in return? It's a brave new world out there. My answer is the CAF does more but if any potential NIL funders are out there, I guess HC has to encourage that as well. |
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Feb 10, 2023 8:15:56 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 10, 2023 8:15:56 GMT -5
With a few well-heeled alums, the NIL could be the way HC could turn around the basketball program very quickly Historically and given its supposed prominence, the men's basketball program was and remains an underachiever when it comes to $$$ amounts contributed to the CAF. |
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Feb 11, 2023 11:14:41 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 11, 2023 11:14:41 GMT -5
I hope HC stays out of the NIL cesspool. I firmly believe we won't go down that road.
Specifically, I'm only against it in the sense of organized payments from boosters and alum. I'm totally fine with HC athletes securing NIL deals on their own otherwise.
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Feb 11, 2023 17:44:55 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Feb 11, 2023 17:44:55 GMT -5
From what I understand, Holy Cross doesn't have the option to get in or out of NIL. It's a new fact of life. While I don't know the ins and outs, perhaps other here do, but Kit Hughes has made arrangements for some 3rd party to work with Holy Cross student-athletes so they don't make mistakes they will regret. HC is trying to guide the process for the benefit of the College's athletes. They are being smart not to simply ignore the situation and hope it goes away.
If the concern is not to have boosters paying off our student-athletes, the College probably has a little more control on that. I guarantee you that any of that potential booster abuses won't have the support of our Administration and would do everything legally possible to prevent it.
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