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Post by hchoops on Nov 21, 2016 17:20:30 GMT -5
I am still teaching, coaching my grandson's CYO team and babysitting 5 of my grandchildren.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 4, 2016 10:18:11 GMT -5
I hesitate to bring the subject back up but what is the upshot on the swastika? Any news as to who, what, where, when, why? Campus note from Fr. Boroughs? Or is this just a rumor?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2016 21:37:36 GMT -5
I hesitate to bring the subject back up but what is the upshot on the swastika? Any news as to who, what, where, when, why? Campus note from Fr. Boroughs? Or is this just a rumor? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere except in this woman's tweet. She apparently is on the faculty in some capacity in the Theatre department. If she spends as much time helping her students as she does promoting left-leaning causes on Twitter, we will have some Broadway-caliber shows at the new PAC. |
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Post by hchoops on Dec 4, 2016 21:46:01 GMT -5
Is not the key question whether or not she is a reliable source in this instance ?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2016 22:04:06 GMT -5
Is not the key question whether or not she is a reliable source in this instance ? The only fact that she purported to have was that a swastika was found on campus. So, even if she is reliable on that fact, we know nothing else. Who put it there? When? Has someone been brought to justice? Was it put there by one of the people who want us all to think the country is falling apart because Trump was elected President? I am confident there are many more of those at HC than Hitler youth. If she actually cared about the school at which she teaches, she might have considered gathering some additional facts before posting it for all the world to see and painting HC as an institution that, at a minimum, has fans of the Third Reich roaming the campus. |
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Post by alum on Dec 4, 2016 22:29:46 GMT -5
Is not the key question whether or not she is a reliable source in this instance ? The only fact that she purported to have was that a swastika was found on campus. So, even if she is reliable on that fact, we know nothing else. Who put it there? When? Has someone been brought to justice? Was it put there by one of the people who want us all to think the country is falling apart because Trump was elected President? I am confident there are many more of those at HC than Hitler youth. If she actually cared about the school at which she teaches, she might have considered gathering some additional facts before posting it for all the world to see and painting HC as an institution that, at a minimum, has fans of the Third Reich roaming the campus. Failure to confirm problematic stories would seem to be a problem this semester on Mount St. James. We must not forget Professor Schaefer's inaccurate post about the President of the College in the National Review Online which was based upon double or triple hearsay. |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 4, 2016 22:55:25 GMT -5
The only fact that she purported to have was that a swastika was found on campus. So, even if she is reliable on that fact, we know nothing else. Who put it there? When? Has someone been brought to justice? Was it put there by one of the people who want us all to think the country is falling apart because Trump was elected President? I am confident there are many more of those at HC than Hitler youth. If she actually cared about the school at which she teaches, she might have considered gathering some additional facts before posting it for all the world to see and painting HC as an institution that, at a minimum, has fans of the Third Reich roaming the campus. Failure to confirm problematic stories would seem to be a problem this semester on Mount St. James. We must not forget Professor Schaefer's inaccurate post about the President of the College in the National Review Online which was based upon double or triple hearsay. Agree 100%. |
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Post by lou on Dec 5, 2016 9:41:25 GMT -5
My quote above came from an email from the new president at Marist. No other facts than that it happened. The HC professor posted it, and I believe she knows what she's talking about. I'm appalled by it and really don't care what motivated someone to do it, I would like the person caught and dealt with
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2016 9:46:45 GMT -5
My quote above came from an email from the new president at Marist. No other facts than that it happened. The HC professor posted it, and I believe she knows what she's talking about. I'm appalled by it and really don't care what motivated someone to do it, I would like the person caught and dealt with As would I...if it actually happened at HC. From what I read, this may simply have been a rumor. If it is, then repeating it and denouncing it make no sense at all and can reflect badly on the Cross. |
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Post by lou on Dec 5, 2016 9:48:47 GMT -5
What did you read?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2016 9:51:00 GMT -5
CROSSPORTS: These two seem to suggest it did not happen (at least not in the way it has been described):
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere except in this woman's tweet. She apparently is on the faculty in some capacity in the Theatre department. If she spends as much time helping her students as she does promoting left-leaning causes on Twitter, we will have some Broadway-caliber shows at the new PAC.
The only fact that she purported to have was that a swastika was found on campus. So, even if she is reliable on that fact, we know nothing else. Who put it there? When? Has someone been brought to justice? Was it put there by one of the people who want us all to think the country is falling apart because Trump was elected President? I am confident there are many more of those at HC than Hitler youth. If she actually cared about the school at which she teaches, she might have considered gathering some additional facts before posting it for all the world to see and painting HC as an institution that, at a minimum, has fans of the Third Reich roaming the campus.
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If all of this is because of the symbol being placed (written, drawn, scratched) in a public bathroom there may not even be an issue, The swastika may not even have been put there by an HC student. When I was in the 88th NY, we found graffiti in one of the bathrooms that read "red is dead, blue is true" attacking the Bloods seemingly by a Crip. To my knowledge we did not have a single Guard member in either group (or any Nazis for that matter). Unless and until something more is learned, why not just let it die?
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Post by Tom on Dec 5, 2016 10:21:16 GMT -5
It seems a little strange that the only reporting of this was the single tweet. In this day and age I would think it would be hard to cover up something like this. This kind of incident is usually reported in papers if not TV. With 2500 young mostly idealistic students with all kinds of social media blasting out, I'm surprised this story hasn't gotten wider play.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 5, 2016 11:45:14 GMT -5
It seems a little strange that the only reporting of this was the single tweet. In this day and age I would think it would be hard to cover up something like this. This kind of incident is usually reported in papers if not TV. With 2500 young mostly idealistic students with all kinds of social media blasting out, I'm surprised this story hasn't gotten wider play. Have you checked Rolling Stone magazine to see if it has published a report on the incident??? |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 5, 2016 18:41:26 GMT -5
It seems that: 1.) posters here who regularly read the Telegram missed this article. 2.) information about what is happening on campus is pretty much hit-and-miss these days. The number of posters who are currently students at HC has dwindled over the years, until they are now almost extinct on Crossports. . In any event, from the Worcester Telegram on Nov 18. www.telegram.com/news/20161118/holy-cross-investigating-swastika-found-on-campus |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2016 18:51:49 GMT -5
I did read that article. It spoke eloquently of how things should be while omitting any details about what actually happened (or what may have prompted it).
One sentence I simply did not understand. After speaking about the inflammatory rhetoric of the past Presidential campaign, and due to this rhetoricthe thought by some that they had permission to do things such as this, he said that "permission has not been granted on the Holy Cross campus." This raises some questions.
1. Is there a process at HC for securing permission to vandalize the campus? Would such permission EVER be granted?
2. Given the practice we have seen of one party of doing something outrageous and then saying is was the fault of the opposition...how will the college avoid falling into this trap?
3. What sort of investigation took place? Is it still ongoing? And, if it was completed, what as discovered?
4. Will the stolen bell ever be replaced? It might be another nice tribute to Fr. K.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 6, 2016 7:29:08 GMT -5
I did read that article. It spoke eloquently of how things should be while omitting any details about what actually happened (or what may have prompted it). One sentence I simply did not understand. After speaking about the inflammatory rhetoric of the past Presidential campaign, and due to this rhetoricthe thought by some that they had permission to do things such as this, he said that "permission has not been granted on the Holy Cross campus." This raises some questions. 1. Is there a process at HC for securing permission to vandalize the campus? Would such permission EVER be granted? 2. Given the practice we have sen of one party of doing something outrageous and then saying is was the fault of the opposition...how will the college avoid falling into this trap? 3. What sort of investigation took place? Is it still ongoing? And, if it was completed, what as discovered? 1.) Fr. B., IMO, should have used the word 'license' rather than 'permission'. 2.) and 3.) The defacing was small, it was discovered by HC employees and not reported by a student(s), and HC does not know when it was done. It may have been there for weeks, or more. I believe the college is particularly sensitive to anti-Semitic 'speech', in part given the great generosity of the Hiatt family and the bi-lateral program with Brandeis I read Fr. B's missive to the HC community as a 'shot across the bow'. Was not there a defacing at St. Joseph's Chapel a few years ago? I don't recall the perpetrators being caught, nor was there, to my recollection, any missives about such behavior not being tolerated at Holy Cross. It was seen for what it was. HC should not need to remind students that places of worship on campus should not be defaced or debased. |
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Post by ncaam on Dec 6, 2016 8:25:20 GMT -5
Father boroughs a little over his skis here I believe.
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Post by Tom on Dec 6, 2016 9:15:20 GMT -5
It seems that: 1.) posters here who regularly read the Telegram missed this article. 2.) information about what is happening on campus is pretty much hit-and-miss these days. The number of posters who are currently students at HC has dwindled over the years, until they are now almost extinct on Crossports. . In any event, from the Worcester Telegram on Nov 18. www.telegram.com/news/20161118/holy-cross-investigating-swastika-found-on-campusThank you for posting. I hadn't seen that. That is the corroboration of the story It is worth noting that the vandalism was in a dorm (as opposed to a more "public" building like Hogan or Hart.) Dorms are locked, as is access to each floor of a dorm. To the best of my knowledge, doors aren't propped open nearly as often as the old days. In case there were serious doubts, it is reasonable to assume the guilty party was either a member of the HC community or an invited guest of a member of the HC community.  |
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Post by ncaam on Dec 6, 2016 9:54:18 GMT -5
www.aclu.org/other/hate-speech-campusexerpted from ACLU above: Q: What about nonverbal symbols, like swastikas and burning crosses -- are they constitutionally protected? A: Symbols of hate are constitutionally protected if they're worn or displayed before a general audience in a public place -- say, in a march or at a rally in a public park. But the First Amendment doesn't protect the use of nonverbal symbols to encroach upon, or desecrate, private property, such as burning a cross on someone's lawn or spray-painting a swastika on the wall of a synagogue or dorm. In its 1992 decision in R.A.V. v. St. Paul, the Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional a city ordinance that prohibited cross-burnings based on their symbolism, which the ordinance said makes many people feel "anger, alarm or resentment." Instead of prosecuting the cross-burner for the content of his act, the city government could have rightfully tried him under criminal trespass and/or harassment laws. The Supreme Court has ruled that symbolic expression, whether swastikas, burning crosses or, for that matter, peace signs, is protected by the First Amendment because it's "closely akin to 'pure speech.'" That phrase comes from a landmark 1969 decision in which the Court held that public school students could wear black armbands in school to protest the Vietnam War. And in another landmark ruling, in 1989, the Court upheld the right of an individual to burn the American flag in public as a symbolic expression of disagreement with government policies. In an earlier time the miscreant might have penned..."For a good time, call Bob at xxx-xxxx"
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 6, 2016 15:21:38 GMT -5
My recollection of the report of the incident in St. Joseph's is a bit clearer. I believe Fr. K. reported that one or more religious objects suffered significant damage.
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