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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 21, 2016 13:30:13 GMT -5
Phreek, CMass has had it's share of D1 talent last few years. Obviously in the overall it's not a huge number but for it's size it does OK. There are at least three going D1...Melifonwu from Grafton committed to Syracuse, McCubrey from West Boylston committed to UMass and Lindstrom from Shepherd Hill going to BC. I can't think of the last CMass kid HC recruited and got. Lack of locals is disappointing. gks, certainly there are football players from Massachusetts who are recruited by and get to play in Division I, but it seems that there are not enough of them to make Massachusetts and New England a hotbed of recruiting. The Boston Globe's All Scholastics in football for 2015, and where they wound up. High School / position/ commitment I looked at the Herald's All-Scholastics for 2015, Eastern MA edition. These are the A-C's, if I want the rest of the alphabet I have to pay to access archives.
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Post by gks on Nov 21, 2016 13:46:17 GMT -5
No one every said MA and New England is a hotbed of football recruiting but there is talent. And HC comes up woefully short.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 21, 2016 14:46:13 GMT -5
We've gone over it so many times: New England does not produce, per capita, D-1 football players the way other parts of the country do. The fact that we can name some great players from New England does not change that fact.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 21, 2016 16:54:45 GMT -5
I'd be ticked if I looked at the rosters of the better teams in FCS and saw a bunch of recruits from MA, and wondered how and why HC let some of them get away. But there's no bunch pf recruits from MA on these rosters, So I am not ticked.
At the FCS, a school gets 10-11 full scollies in each recruiting class. In the FBS, there's 21-25 full scollies in each class. At the FCS level, there really is no margin for error when it comes to offering a full scollie. In the FBS, teams and coaches have the luxury of a few misses because they are essentially recruiting a fresh one-deep every year.
As for Maddox, no participation yet this year. He was 'offered' after Stanford had two RB de-commits, one going to Colorado, the other to UCLA.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2016 17:01:35 GMT -5
You could probably limit your inquiries in Mass to less than 10 MIAA programs and half the NE preps. A little due diligence never hurt anyone, then move on.
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Post by joe on Nov 24, 2016 11:08:51 GMT -5
Bump. Any more ideas?
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Post by purplepassion80 on Nov 25, 2016 10:59:30 GMT -5
Great ideas regarding the team, but doesn't that all come back to TG and why he shouldn't come back? With exception of the Catholic School players, why would atop 1AA recruit want to play at HC? Top players want to win, and compete for Championships. TG has won only 33% of all PL games since scholarships were awarded. He has beaten Colgate, Lehigh, and Fordham COMBINED only ONCE since scholarships awarded. He has won one PL Championship in 13 years while Lehigh has won 5, Lafayette 4, Colgate 3 and Fordham 2. Most PL coaches are recruiting the same kid. You know they are giving these stats to the kid, I know I would if I were them. If any of you were a top recruit and had a choice of any PL school to play football and the religious aspect wasn't important, would you choose to play for TG at HC? I know I wouldn't. This is why ADNP needs to make a move now or we are just wasting time and money.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 25, 2016 21:57:10 GMT -5
Will this list be sent to anyone in power?
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Post by joe on Nov 26, 2016 9:09:24 GMT -5
'Sota it will be sent to the top. I will buff and polish prior.
I expected with all the talk there would be more suggestions, but perhaps lack thereof is heartening? Seems most of this stuff is fundamental.
Lights for Fitton though, I mean c'mon already. Talk about a high yield proposition.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 26, 2016 10:35:31 GMT -5
Joe, I believe this is deja vu all over again about lights.
From memory, frequently suspect now, installing permanent lighting would trigger ADA changes and lighting could not be of just the field but would have to include the surrounding area. Perhaps it was Phreek who opined on all this. Renting lights for single events was a money losing proposition as I recall as while it made for a great environment as you and others posted (and I agree), the additional spectators did not offset the expense of the light rental. That's why they don't do it more frequently. With no Yankee Stadium game next year, perhaps they will celebrate my birthday with a night game against UNH?
For permanent lighting, I would think once you got past the fixed initial costs, the incremental costs per game would be negligible and so, as always, it comes down to a big donor(s) to come through and pay for it. Trust me, if someone gifts the money for permanent lights at Fitton, no one at Holy Cross will say "no."
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Post by joe on Nov 26, 2016 11:11:47 GMT -5
I remember the many ADA threads but as recall none of us really knew sure what we were talking about. I believe someone opined that if he lights we're free standing similar to those we rent it would not trigger ADA. To me it's moot. Make it happen. There's always a way.
See what you do is take a top recruit down to the stadium, at night, in the twilight, on the final night of his recruiting trip, bring him right onto the 50, and bam! - throw the lights on and que the Jumbotron which shows a video of HC football with him photoshopped in. HC fight song plays in the background.
This is what you do if you want to roll with the big boys, fellas.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 26, 2016 11:25:37 GMT -5
There is. Someone open his/her checkbook!
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Post by joe on Nov 26, 2016 11:28:42 GMT -5
I wish I could or knew someone. Unfortunately I don't run in those circles.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 26, 2016 11:34:47 GMT -5
Well, I won the Powerball the other day but my $4 winnings won't help.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 26, 2016 11:38:53 GMT -5
Agree or disagree: TPTB (whomevah you define that as) are basically sanguine with the way HC football now exists and see no real need for any substantial upgrades (be it lights, bettah assistant coaching pay etc). It's a platform to play the Harvard's and the Yale's, be relatively competitive overall and host events like Homecoming, PW, President's Council weekends, one-off events such as the Ram-Crusader Cup....winning or losing is secondary.
I realize that argument could be off-set by the reinstitution of scholarships, upgrade in practice facilities, scheduling FBS opponents etc.....but I just see a program skating along, with no great desire to improve its standing in the college football world.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 26, 2016 12:08:12 GMT -5
Addendum....advocate for now fired Charlie Strong as our new coach
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Post by sarasota on Nov 26, 2016 16:34:57 GMT -5
I learned a long time ago....."Where there is a will, there is a way." This Lights vs. ADA is a perfect example of regulation overreach. (Joe Calafano, where are you when we need you.) Multiply it by a million instances and you get why tens of millions of Americans voted.....(oops, sorry)
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 26, 2016 17:56:27 GMT -5
Well, I won the Powerball the other day but my $4 winnings won't help. Even small donations help with the percent of alums/donors who contribute. Never underestimate what you can do with a contribution of any size.
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Post by joe on Nov 29, 2016 17:29:20 GMT -5
Out of town for a few days. Anything else anyone wants to say? Any more airing of grievances?
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Post by inhocsigno on Nov 29, 2016 18:39:09 GMT -5
I think this whole thread is ridiculous, but I'll bite:
1. Work-out the lineman such as to have a leaner body mass composition by the fall. Monitor diet, weekly body fat caliper test.
Useless comment - guys need to be be large, strong and know how to block. Who cares what they look like or if their body fat percentage is X%.
2. Get us a fullback. Alternatively a nose guard with good paws and feet, even a TE who can run H-back a little.
No problem in concept. Convert a LB or TE for limited purposes - jumbo packages, etc.
3. Get us taller DBs.
Great in concept, except if a DB is 6'+ and can run, and not playing in FBS, he is probably not very good. Just need guys who are fast and can cover and at the FCS level, that means guys that don't have all the measureables that FBS scouts are looking for.
4. Get us bigger ILBs and move the current ILBs to OLB or SS.
Same as #3 above. Speed kills. Better to have a 5'10" 210 crazed dog, then a 6'3" 240 slow LB that cannot cover or run anybody down.
5. Shift offensive focus in the Spring to developing a power running game. Try putting two back in the backfield and running some off tackle plays that set up the counter. We have PP coming back so we don't need to focus on passing as much as we would if he were graduating. Get the TEs involved. Make Winter training and Spring ball like boot camp again. Learn how to inflict pain and fear when you carry the ball. Watch video on Bragalone from Lehigh and have a challenge to see who can replicate what he does best. Make our goal 3.5 yards per carry. Make our goal to have one series each game where we score a TD with no passes.
Yes we need the ability to run for short yardage when necessary, in jumbo package, but dominant passing game is present and future of football. Lombardi is no longer coaching and Jim Taylor is no longer the packer power sweep. We could use better balance, but at this point, I would not care if throw 90% of the time or we switched to the wishbone and run 90% of time, as long as we win. You install and play call based on the personnel available. I don't see our line dominating the line of scrimmage. Maybe a zone blocking scheme would be better, but I am not a coach, and I assume you are not either.
6. Hire a sports psychiatrist for the defensive so they understand their goal is to physically destroy the guy in front of them. No more 10 yard cushions.
Stupid comment. You are recruiting the wrong guys if they need to shrink to tell to play physical. I don't think that is the issue.
7. Condition, condition, condition. If we're not going to win on talent, win on physicality.
I am sure they condition sufficiently. You can only run so many sprints before you puke.
8. Practice 500,000 field goals from 40 yards and in so this becomes rote.
Agree. Kickers are a necessary evil in football. They have one job and should be able to do it.
9. Keep doing what your doing with the receivers, no problem there. Develop the tall ones.
What is your fascination with height. If we sign a 6'5" receiver, I question his football skills.
10. Make it somebody's job to manage the clock at the end of the half and the end of the game and make that person watch as many late-half/late-game situations as possible to develop clear plans for any situation.
I assume the coach would do that.
11. Start using the athletes you have; don't let them rot on the bench if someone is better than them at their position. Move people from offense to defense if you have to.
I assume the coaching staff is trying to field the best players in each position in order to give us the best chance to win. I believe that assumption is valid because coaches want to win and retain their jobs. If the coaches are not playing the best players, they should be coaching Pop Warner, not at the D I AA level.
12. Let's recruit locally, and make HC a destination school again for the Northeast's top student-athletes. Dive deeper into North Jersey Parochial Schools, particular in Bergen County.
Fine on NJ, but New England is not deep enough to provide roster strength. There are some great players in MA, but not enough and competition is weak (notwithstanding the many homers on this page). Simply, you can only make #@*&$~!aide out of #@*&$~!. Need to recruit heavier in Southeast, Texas, OH and CA. Given the finite number of qualified players (academically and athletically), it takes a nationwide search to find the best players. I would invest more budget in recruiting.
I hope this satisfies your desire to keep bumping this "list". Also, I think naming the thread the Friends of HC Football composite list is a little deceptive - I assume that was intended to give more gravitas to the futile exercise. I, of course, apologize if the list was endorsed by TD or other leaders of that group.
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