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Post by bikeman on Aug 13, 2022 6:47:53 GMT -5
NYC was once a great place to visit. Not anymore.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 13, 2022 6:54:53 GMT -5
College basketball has totally lost its soul. This is just the stale Tums tablet on a Drano sundae.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 13, 2022 7:16:06 GMT -5
NYC was once a great place to visit. Not anymore. I think the move is more a function of less people caring about the NIT than it is about people not wanting to come to NY. I actually go to the NIT semis at MSG every year and, compared to when the Big East is in town, you could walk around the neighboring bars outside the arena an hour before game time and barely even know a big event was happening. The Wednesday pillow fights of the Big East tournament, and any of the random college hockey games MSG has hosted, have all been much more electric than the NIT. Unfortunately, it's more profitable for the Garden to book an umpteenth Billy Joel concert the same weekend than host the NIT. The event just doesn't pay the bills anymore. I think with the expansion of the NCAA tournament, the rise in interest in the NCAA Women's tournament, the "de-New York-ization" of the tournament field after NCAA took over, and the continued growth in NBA viewership, the NIT has become a dinosaur. Not that it's going away anytime soon, but there's just not as much juice as their used to be, even talking about 20 years ago.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 13, 2022 8:22:34 GMT -5
NYC was once a great place to visit. Not anymore. The 56 million + tourists who visited NYC in 2022 might disagree with you. The number has surged from the pandemic level in 2021. It is projected that The City will soon surpass the pre-pandemic level of 60 million+ visitors. IMHO I want every place in our beautiful country to be a great place to visit.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 13, 2022 8:30:29 GMT -5
NYC was once a great place to visit. Not anymore. The 56 million + tourists who visited NYC in 2022 might disagree with you. The number has surged from the pandemic level in 2021. It is projected that The City will soon surpass the pre-pandemic level of 60 million+ visitors. IMHO I want every place in our beautiful country to be a great place to visit. Agree. The 56 million tourists are a projection for 2022. Let's hope Mayor Adams gets the crime under control.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 13, 2022 8:58:00 GMT -5
The 56 million + tourists who visited NYC in 2022 might disagree with you. The number has surged from the pandemic level in 2021. It is projected that The City will soon surpass the pre-pandemic level of 60 million+ visitors. IMHO I want every place in our beautiful country to be a great place to visit. Agree. The 56 million tourists are a projection for 2022. Let's hope Mayor Adams gets the crime under control. Yup!
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Post by timholycross on Aug 13, 2022 11:39:46 GMT -5
If it was that important to college basketball to have a major event at MSG, they and the Garden Corporation (or whatever it's called) would have a willing partner in the women's tournament.
That branch of the game's big enough that it would easily sell out every year and might boost interest even more.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 13, 2022 13:22:51 GMT -5
FWIW, MSG is hosting the NCAA men’s East Regional in March.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 13, 2022 15:33:03 GMT -5
To me, discontinuing having the entire tourney in NY was the start of a gradual downward slide, interest wise. Remember watching HC-Princeton first round game on CBS, I think. Siena sent an ungodly amount of fan busses down when they made the final four in the early 90s. Oh well, at least we have the NIL to spark interest.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 15, 2022 4:05:09 GMT -5
The 56 million + tourists who visited NYC in 2022 might disagree with you. The number has surged from the pandemic level in 2021. It is projected that The City will soon surpass the pre-pandemic level of 60 million+ visitors. IMHO I want every place in our beautiful country to be a great place to visit. Agree. The 56 million tourists are a projection for 2022. Let's hope Mayor Adams gets the crime under control. The mayor is going to need a lot of help from the state -- thus far he is getting none. Laws and the presence of law enforcement on the street are pointless if there's no accountability within the judicial system. We have a big election coming up in November, hopefully these issues are addressed. NYC right now is total lawlessness -- unless you tell people to wear masks.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 15, 2022 5:58:08 GMT -5
"NYC right now is total lawlessness."
Yikes. Somehow I avoided the dystopian chaos when I went to NYC a few months ago and had a nice Italian meal and went to a Broadway play.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 15, 2022 6:39:33 GMT -5
My wife and I each went into NYC last week. The only problem seemed to be uncollected garbage almost everywhere. Never felt unsafe.
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Post by lou on Aug 15, 2022 6:47:36 GMT -5
Holy Cross '95 NYTimes: N.Y.C.’s New Subway Chief Comes From Boston and Doesn’t Own a Car N.Y.C.’s New Subway Chief Comes From Boston and Doesn’t Own a Car nyti.ms/3IDJezT
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Post by hchoops on Aug 15, 2022 8:10:27 GMT -5
Good friends live in Queens. Many good friends of my son live in Brooklyn. No signs of lawlessness Maybe you could be more specific, 2010
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 15, 2022 9:00:54 GMT -5
Holy Cross '95 NYTimes: N.Y.C.’s New Subway Chief Comes From Boston and Doesn’t Own a Car N.Y.C.’s New Subway Chief Comes From Boston and Doesn’t Own a Car nyti.ms/3IDJezTHead of NYC subway is not for the faint of heart. Funding and operation have always been a political football. Some talented people have come and gone in frustration. Cuomo and DiBlasio had bitter fights about the subway (of course, they couldn't agree on what day of the week it was).
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2022 17:13:21 GMT -5
Boy did the Cuomo brothers hit a pot hole.
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Post by res on Aug 15, 2022 18:17:04 GMT -5
Good friends live in Queens. Many good friends of my son live in Brooklyn. No signs of lawlessness Maybe you could be more specific, 2010 Yes. Crime is up in NYC as it is in most places. But, New York's violent crime rate, as measured by population, is not particularly high compared to other major, or minor, US cities. There is one stat that makes me laugh, however. Someone tracks crime by square mile. Surprisingly, NYC doesn't do well but Alaska does. Go figure.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 15, 2022 18:59:10 GMT -5
Good friends live in Queens. Many good friends of my son live in Brooklyn. No signs of lawlessness Maybe you could be more specific, 2010 There are plenty of statistics out there that illustrate how bad it's gotten. Like most crime surges, typically what takes place is the marginal increases in crime tend to occur in the neighborhoods where violence and crime was already bad. And the parts of Manhattan that are heavily touristy and commercial also have seen a rise in crime relative to what you saw the prior 15 years. And if you haven't heard about the spike in violence, felonies and murders in the transit system you're living under a rock. I have a lot of friends in Queens and play softball and hang out there every Sunday (Flushing, Richmond Hill, Bayside, Forest Hills, etc.) and it's lovely. My predominantly middle class neighborhood in the Bronx (Woodlawn) is still just as safe as it was before the pandemic as are other comparable community-oriented neighborhoods in the borough -- see Co-Op City, Morris Park, Eastchester Heights, North Riverdale, etc.. From a personal perspective, I am still pro-NYC, am not planning to flee for the suburbs, unless I end up a baseball's throw over the border in Yonkers. The only times I noticed I feel less safe are when I'm in certain parts of the Bronx after 5 or 6pm -- that seems to be when the trouble-makers come out. Prior to this recent wave, I wasn't flustered even being in rougher areas well after dark. I haven't felt unsafe on the subway personally, but then again my days of super late night rides on the 4 or the 2 are a thing of the past now that I'm in my mid-30's with a 2-year old at home. Latest I'm on the subway is coming home from a Yankee game at 11pm. On the flip side, I felt safer getting off the Metro North at 125th Street as a scrawny 14 year old than I do now as a strapping adult.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 15, 2022 19:00:23 GMT -5
Gosh when it stinks it stinks but when we break it down by population to justify something we are in deep stuff
NYC is a disaster right now and each trip I make to that once great city, I can’t wait, well take that back, as DC isnt any better, and by population perhaps worse
Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, LA, Miami, SF, Seattle, Portland all the same-totally mismanaged cities that are ruled by corruption and driven by power.
What a world
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 15, 2022 19:02:01 GMT -5
Good friends live in Queens. Many good friends of my son live in Brooklyn. No signs of lawlessness Maybe you could be more specific, 2010 Yes. Crime is up in NYC as it is in most places. But, New York's violent crime rate, as measured by population, is not particularly high compared to other major, or minor, US cities.There is one stat that makes me laugh, however. Someone tracks crime by square mile. Surprisingly, NYC doesn't do well but Alaska does. Go figure. This is true. NYC isn't even the most dangerous city in the state. Newburgh, Utica, Albany, Troy and Rochester are all worse per capita when it comes to violent crime. But we're supposed to be the greatest city in the world. Our standards need to be higher than "at least we're not Baltimore" or "at least we're not San Francisco".
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 16, 2022 9:32:19 GMT -5
Gosh when it stinks it stinks but when we break it down by population to justify something we are in deep stuff NYC is a disaster right now and each trip I make to that once great city, I can’t wait, well take that back, as DC isnt any better, and by population perhaps worse Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, LA, Miami, SF, Seattle, Portland all the same-totally mismanaged cities that are ruled by corruption and driven by power. What a world Worcester is looking pretty good.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 16, 2022 11:16:43 GMT -5
I've always thought Worcester was a very underrated city. Most parts of Worcester and its environs would be places I'd definitely raise a family.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 16, 2022 11:21:31 GMT -5
While it’s been a long while, Worcester was named an All-American City. And, I believe, more than once.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 16, 2022 11:23:22 GMT -5
Crime is up in NYC compared to last year: www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00052/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-june-2022#:~:text=Overall%20index%20crime%20in%20New,increase%20in%20robbery%20(1%2C548%20v. From the release: Overall index crime in New York City increased by 31.1% in June 2022 compared with June 2021 (11,073 v. 8,448). Six of the seven major index-crime categories saw increases, driven by a 41.0% increase in grand larceny (4,467 v. 3,168), a 36.1% increase in robbery (1,548 v. 1,137), and a 33.8% rise in burglary (1,279 v. 956).
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Post by mm67 on Aug 16, 2022 12:17:35 GMT -5
Good friends live in Queens. Many good friends of my son live in Brooklyn. No signs of lawlessness Maybe you could be more specific, 2010 There are plenty of statistics out there that illustrate how bad it's gotten. Like most crime surges, typically what takes place is the marginal increases in crime tend to occur in the neighborhoods where violence and crime was already bad. And the parts of Manhattan that are heavily touristy and commercial also have seen a rise in crime relative to what you saw the prior 15 years. And if you haven't heard about the spike in violence, felonies and murders in the transit system you're living under a rock. I have a lot of friends in Queens and play softball and hang out there every Sunday (Flushing, Richmond Hill, Bayside, Forest Hills, etc.) and it's lovely. My predominantly middle class neighborhood in the Bronx (Woodlawn) is still just as safe as it was before the pandemic as are other comparable community-oriented neighborhoods in the borough -- see Co-Op City, Morris Park, Eastchester Heights, North Riverdale, etc.. From a personal perspective, I am still pro-NYC, am not planning to flee for the suburbs, unless I end up a baseball's throw over the border in Yonkers. The only times I noticed I feel less safe are when I'm in certain parts of the Bronx after 5 or 6pm -- that seems to be when the trouble-makers come out. Prior to this recent wave, I wasn't flustered even being in rougher areas well after dark. I haven't felt unsafe on the subway personally, but then again my days of super late night rides on the 4 or the 2 are a thing of the past now that I'm in my mid-30's with a 2-year old at home. Latest I'm on the subway is coming home from a Yankee game at 11pm. On the flip side, I felt safer getting off the Metro North at 125th Street as a scrawny 14 year old than I do now as a strapping adult. Don't want to intrude. And, what about a school for your two year old? There are areas in Westchester other than Yonkers all its top notch schools - Hastings, Irvington, Ardsley, Scarsdale, Bronxville, Hartsdale, Pelham, Mamaroneck, Harrison, Rye and all the way up. Then there is Rockland County with good school districts in New City (Clarkstown, not E. Ramapo), Tappan, Pearl River. Rockland is a bit less pricey but still expensive. Parents usually shop school districts. No offense..
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