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Dec 28, 2022 16:27:10 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Dec 28, 2022 16:27:10 GMT -5
bien sûr
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Dec 28, 2022 16:30:30 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Dec 28, 2022 16:30:30 GMT -5
Chu Chu -- Am I remembering correctly that you, as a young lad, attended the 1958 game between HC and Syracuse? If I understand the statements in this thread, HC was the last team to beat Syracuse during the regular season before Syracuse went undefeated in 1959 and then beat Texas in the 1960 Cotton Bowl. Yes. Thanks! I was thinking regular season.
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Dec 28, 2022 16:56:57 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 28, 2022 16:56:57 GMT -5
In 1963 BC was 6-2 entering the HC finale. Jon Morris led an upset 9-0 win, making sure BC would not go bowling. Both teams played only 9 games because of the JFK shooting I thought BC had a chance to go to a bowl game, but that must have been the year before; and the bowl game folded after that year (1962). In researching that, I found an HC reference in this article about that ill-fated bowl. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_Bowl
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Post by timholycross on Dec 28, 2022 17:00:51 GMT -5
Did Army play in or win a bowl in '86? Air Force in 1978? Prior to 1980 or so, it was really hard to get into a bowl game, because they just weren't many bowls. Even up until tbe early 2000s you had to WIN the MAC to get into a bowl game. So back in the good old days, if HC beat a bowl team, it means they would've had to beat a likely Top 15-20 team or a major college conference champion. And in more modern times, there just haven't been many opportunities since we didn't start playing FBS teams again until 2017. We did beat Army in 2002, however that was likely the worst football team in West Point history. The '85 Army team went to and won a bowl I believe (Illinois)....the "86 team didn't go bowling I believe. The Bill Parcells led Falcons went 3-8 or so in '78...no bowl obviously....they did beat BC as did we and everyone else on the Eagles schedule that season. I think if the answer exists, it has to be a team/opponent from the 1920s to the 1950s. ETA: just schecked, it was Illinois not Michigan State the 85 Army team beat. Interestingly, imo the '86 Army may have been just as good. The 85 team went 9-3 but came in last place in the CiC standings, losing to both Air Force and Navy as well as Notre Dame. Their 85 schedule was a bit soft in general. We actually played them fairly tough that year, the final (12-34) isn't really indicative of how competitive that game was. The 86 Army team had beaten Tennessee in Knoxville the week before we beat them in Michie. Here's a list of Army bowl games. We got beaten pretty good by them in 1988 (24-3 or something like that), that year they lost to Alabama in the Sun Bowl by a point. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Army_Black_Knights_football_bowl_games
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Dec 28, 2022 19:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 19:57:32 GMT -5
In 1963 BC was 6-2 entering the HC finale. Jon Morris led an upset 9-0 win, making sure BC would not go bowling. Both teams played only 9 games because of the JFK shooting I thought BC had a chance to go to a bowl game, but that must have been the year before; and the bowl game folded after that year (1962). In researching that, I found an HC reference in this article about that ill-fated bowl. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_BowlWe can't blame turning down the 1960 Bowl offer on Father Brooks.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 28, 2022 20:36:25 GMT -5
Never knew about that '60 Gotham Bowl invitation until now....thanks.
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Dec 28, 2022 22:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 22:44:23 GMT -5
Good catch Tim. I do remember the ill fated Gotham Bowl because like you said there weren't many Bowls back then. There was the big four: Orange, Sugar, Cotton and Rose and them only a few smaller ones like the Peach, Tangerine and Bluebonnet Bowls.
The first indoor football games were played in two different College Bowl Games, both in the same city. Hint: Bert Parks hosted an annual pageant for years in the same city.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 29, 2022 9:08:55 GMT -5
Good catch Tim. I do remember the ill fated Gotham Bowl because like you said there weren't many Bowls back then. There was the big four: Orange, Sugar, Cotton and Rose and them only a few smaller ones like the Peach, Tangerine and Bluebonnet Bowls. The first indoor football games were played in two different College Bowl Games, both in the same city. Hint: Bert Parks hosted an annual pageant for years in the same city. I remember as a kid my father telling my brother and me that a football game had been played indoors in Atlantic City and I was just amazed by that.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 1, 2023 10:36:46 GMT -5
Top New England college football moments of 2022
Posted By Kevin Stone on December 31, 2022
What a year it was for the 16 local Division 1 programs.
Seemingly every single week, Holy Cross remained the hottest story in the region and even nationally, while UConn became the biggest surprise of the season. BC’s ugly year was stunning to watch unfold, and both the CAA and the Ivy League lived up to the hype with some wild races that came down to the final day of the season. Even Stonehill arrived on the scene in impressive fashion and Merrimack showed its close to becoming a national championship threat.
With so many amazing moments to choose from John, Adam and I all picked our Top 3 moments in New England college football this year. Enjoy and let us know if we missed any!
JOHN
1. Holy Cross Hail Mary: Holy Cross Hail Mary win over Buffalo was the number one moment in Division One College Football in New England this season. It was the signature moment in what was a great season for the Cross.
2. Brown upsets Penn: Bruno got the signature win James Perry and his staff were waiting for. The Bears have struggled in recent years but beating Penn, who was in first place in the Ivy League at the time was a big win for a program still rebuilding.
3. UNH beats Maine in a thriller: The Wildcats capped off an improbable turnaround season by beating the rival Black Bears 42-41 in overtime. The win gave UNH a share of the CAA and it clinched a spot in the FCS playoffs.
KEVIN
The Holy Cross Hail Mary to beat Buffalo – I mean, how could it not be? That game sort of sparked the entire magical run that the Crusaders went on, and also allowed the rest of the country just to see how good Jalen Coker and Matthew Sluka were. I would’ve put the playoff win against UNH on here simply because the atmosphere was unforgettable, but nothing supersedes a Hail Mary. The Game, Harvard vs. Yale – Selfishly this was my favorite game of the year. Having never covered or even been to ‘The Game’ until this year, the hype absolutely lived up to it and then some. From the atmosphere around Harvard Stadium at 8:30 A.M., to the pregame skirmishes, to the coin toss skirmish, to the game itself which was an absolute thriller. The sold out crowd on a crisp fall day, with the Ivy League title in the balance, there was simply nothing like it. The Bulldogs clinched the title that day and watching their fans storm their rival’s field and celebrate is something I’ll never forget.
UConn’s upset of BC – Having been there for this one too, I can tell you it’s actually one of the coolest things I’ve covered. Not that there was any real field storming or anything like that, but just seeing fans’ reactions on social media and then seeing and hearing head coach Jim Mora speak postgame, you could truly feel the program changing in that very moment. Obviously, we all know that sparked a fantastic finish and led to a bowl game, but it’s not every day you can say you were there when a program truly turned the page, I was lucky enough to experience that.
-I’m cheating here and adding one honorable mention because I had to get it in…Merrimack’s win over Sacred Heart. That was also one of those games where you could feel just how much it meant for the program and sort of felt like a turning point moving forward. Epic atmosphere that day in North Andover for a game that came down to the very last play.
ADAM
The Holy Cross Hail Mary to beat Buffalo — This was an easy one, and maybe the top local college football moment of the last few years. Jalen Coker’s 46-yard touchdown catch from Matthew Sluka in a 37-31 win was electric.
DJ Linkins’ touchdown catch in UNH’s 31-28 win over URI — This moment was critical in UNH making the FCS playoffs and completing its turnaround season. With 17 seconds left, Linkins caught a 26-yard touchdown pass from Max Brosmer for the win.
UConn beating Boston College, 13-3 — This was arguably the result of the season for FBS teams in New England. The Huskies beating BC added a legitimacy to their turnaround that maybe wasn’t there previously. With this win, UConn arrived in a big way.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 1, 2023 11:45:29 GMT -5
Tough to narrow it down to 3 games but I’m guessing neither writer was at Fitton on Oct 29 for the 53-52 win over Fordham
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Jan 1, 2023 14:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 1, 2023 14:51:08 GMT -5
Tough to narrow it down to 3 games but I’m guessing neither writer was at Fitton on Oct 29 for the 53-52 win over Fordham They probably wanted to spread the love since the Buffalo game was already highlighted.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 1, 2023 16:02:52 GMT -5
I'd argue that while the Buffalo win was exciting, it took place in Buffalo . . . . which is not within the 6 state New England region. So, I'd give the nod to the Fordham game. [It didn't say "New England college football team moments"]. Am I being too literal?
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Jan 1, 2023 16:23:55 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 1, 2023 16:23:55 GMT -5
I'd argue that while the Buffalo win was exciting, it took place in Buffalo . . . . which is not within the 6 state New England region. So, I'd give the nod to the Fordham game. [It didn't say "New England college football team moments"]. Am I being too literal? I agree with you.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 1, 2023 18:37:44 GMT -5
I'd argue that while the Buffalo win was exciting, it took place in Buffalo . . . . which is not within the 6 state New England region. So, I'd give the nod to the Fordham game. [It didn't say "New England college football team moments"]. Am I being too literal? You're fine. The HC-Fordham game finish was more exciting because it was do or die for HC and involved a bold risky coaching decision. The HC-Buffalo finish was not do or die as the game was tied, headed to overtime and the coaching decision was the obvious one.
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Jan 1, 2023 18:49:48 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Jan 1, 2023 18:49:48 GMT -5
I'd argue that while the Buffalo win was exciting, it took place in Buffalo . . . . which is not within the 6 state New England region. So, I'd give the nod to the Fordham game. [It didn't say "New England college football team moments"]. Am I being too literal? You're fine. The HC-Fordham game finish was more exciting because it was do or die for HC and involved a bold risky coaching decision. The HC-Buffalo finish was not do or die as the game was tied, headed to overtime and the coaching decision was the obvious one. I was thinking the Buffalo win got us national attention, a boosted national ranking, and ultimately a playoff seed. So I give that game the nod (though Fordham win was equally exciting in my book) We lose to Fordham and we're in the playoffs in any case. Beating the lesser-ranked Rams meant it was four or five in a row beating them and was four or five in a row as PL champs (FWIW)...and some sort of a Ram-Crusader cup I think.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 1, 2023 19:54:10 GMT -5
You're fine. The HC-Fordham game finish was more exciting because it was do or die for HC and involved a bold risky coaching decision. The HC-Buffalo finish was not do or die as the game was tied, headed to overtime and the coaching decision was the obvious one. I was thinking the Buffalo win got us national attention, a boosted national ranking, and ultimately a playoff seed. So I give that game the nod (though Fordham win was equally exciting in my book) We lose to Fordham and we're in the playoffs in any case. Beating the lesser-ranked Rams meant it was four or five in a row beating them and was four or five in a row as PL champs (FWIW)...and some sort of a Ram-Crusader cup I think. It's a bounty of riches to have all the last minute wins we have had under Chesney. The UNH finish in his first season (I was standing right behind the end zone fence and still didn't understand exactly what happened) and the SHU playoff win come to mind. Buffalo got us on the national stage and earned a rare two peat in FBS victories and Fordham gave us a PL four peat and a playoff seed. Either choice is a good one.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 1, 2023 19:56:57 GMT -5
I was thinking the Buffalo win got us national attention, a boosted national ranking, and ultimately a playoff seed. So I give that game the nod (though Fordham win was equally exciting in my book) We lose to Fordham and we're in the playoffs in any case. Beating the lesser-ranked Rams meant it was four or five in a row beating them and was four or five in a row as PL champs (FWIW)...and some sort of a Ram-Crusader cup I think. It's a bounty of riches to have all the last minute wins we have had under Chesney. The UNH finish in his first season (I was standing right behind the end zone fence and still didn't understand exactly what happened) and the SHU playoff win come to mind. Buffalo got us on the national stage and earned a rare two peat in FBS victories and Fordham gave us a PL four peat and a playoff seed. Either choice is a good one. I think the Buffalo win got us the playoff seed but otherwise I certainly agree.
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Jan 2, 2023 11:13:57 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Jan 2, 2023 11:13:57 GMT -5
Good catch Tim. I do remember the ill fated Gotham Bowl because like you said there weren't many Bowls back then. There was the big four: Orange, Sugar, Cotton and Rose and them only a few smaller ones like the Peach, Tangerine and Bluebonnet Bowls. The first indoor football games were played in two different College Bowl Games, both in the same city. Hint: Bert Parks hosted an annual pageant for years in the same city. I remember as a kid my father telling my brother and me that a football game had been played indoors in Atlantic City and I was just amazed by that. It had completely slipped my memory that the Liberty Bowl started out in Philadelphia, hence the name. Terrible attendance after the inaugural game (and even then, 36K in JFK Stadium probably looked like nobody), a year's stop in AC, then on to Memphis, where it's resided ever since. The only games I have any recollection of were the ones where BC lost to ND in an ice storm (BC had no kicker in 1983, missed 6 or 7 pats against HC in Foxboro....then missed all 3 against the Irish); and getting to see Archie Manning play in the late 60s (not many televised games in those days and the guy had quite a reputation, well-earned).
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