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Post by hchoops on Sept 9, 2022 12:27:19 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/mlb-2023-rule-changes-pitch-timer-larger-bases-shiftsTotally agree with the pitch clock. Not sure about the shift rule. Hitters have always had to adjust. This just give in to the unable or unwilling. AVERAGE TIME OF NINE-INNING GAME BY LEVEL THIS SEASON: No pitch clock MLB: 3:04 ---------------- Pitch clock Triple-A: 2:43 Double-A: 2:40 High-A: 2:34 Single-A: 2:36
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Post by alum on Sept 9, 2022 13:42:36 GMT -5
I like the pitch clock but I don't know if I like the limits on the number of times the pitcher can throw to first. I don't have any data to support it, but it feels to me like they throw over less frequently than they once did anyway. As to the shift, see this article about the Lou Boudreau shift on the Splendid Splinter joeposnanski.substack.com/p/the-boudreau-shift |
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Post by Tom on Sept 9, 2022 14:21:21 GMT -5
I think the shift is way over used, but I don't think it should be banned
I look at teams shifting on poor hitters with little pop in their bat. It blows my mind that these guys don't lay down a bunt for an easy hit. I can understand an Aaron Judge wanting to swing away because there's a risk reward balance and the reward of a home run might be worth the risk, I guy with little power probably isn't going to do much better than a single, so what possible reason is there for not bunting and taking the easy base. Also might get guys to stop shifting so you can take your normal swing more often.
I remember a Red Sox manager who in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th and a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs would sometimes bring one of the outfielders into the infield figuring a fly ball would end the game, I don't remember it ever working, but he had the latitude to try different things and put his fielders wherever he wanted
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 9, 2022 15:18:22 GMT -5
Managers should be able to place their fielders wherever they wish
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 9, 2022 17:58:57 GMT -5
Sad!
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Post by hcpride on Sept 10, 2022 7:38:26 GMT -5
Optimally I’d like a pitcher to set his own pace and have full discretion on pickoff attempts. Ditto on managers positioning fielders.
But I think these changes are good for the game.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 10, 2022 7:46:34 GMT -5
Optimally I’d like a pitcher to set his own pace and have full discretion on pickoff attempts. Ditto on managers positioning fielders. But I think these changes are good for the game. I'm fine with the batter and pitchers' clocks since it's not a one way street. Both parties accountable for getting ready with threat of a ball/strike if they don't. Hate the shift ban. I think it's awful. And even without an unbalanced "shift" per se, an infielder isn't allowed to stand a couple of feet on the outfield grass. That's absolutely bananas. Pickoff rule is dumb -- once a pitcher has thrown over twice, it's basically free reign for the base runner to steal the bag. Might as well make a rule that pitchers can throw no more than 2 consecutive off speed pitches. That way the hitter can sit dead red on the third. MLB can't have it both ways. They're obsessed with shortening games...but at the same time are trying to create more offense. Last time I checked games last longer the more runs are scored. |
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Post by hcpride on Sept 10, 2022 8:34:41 GMT -5
Optimally I’d like a pitcher to set his own pace and have full discretion on pickoff attempts. Ditto on managers positioning fielders. But I think these changes are good for the game. …MLB can't have it both ways. They're obsessed with shortening games...but at the same time are trying to create more offense. Last time I checked games last longer the more runs are scored. Perhaps one (shift rules) might marginally increase length of games while the other (pitcher/batter rules) may substantially decrease the length of games. Leading to more offense but a net decrease in game time. |
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Post by bigfan on Sept 10, 2022 9:57:42 GMT -5
The owners will not sell as much beer with the reduced time it takes to play the games.
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 12, 2022 14:23:51 GMT -5
The only good change is the pitch clocks. The shift ban and the pickoff rules are perfect examples of Manfred missing the forest for the trees.
At least the Minor League players union will likely get approved. The level of exploitation that exists in the minors is one of the worst possible things for the growth of the game because as it currently stands, the only way to play minor league baseball and be financially solvent is to get drafted high and sign a good first contract. Pretty tough to convince anyone to take a chance on their dream of the majors if they can't even make ends meet while doing it.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 12, 2022 16:31:04 GMT -5
Wee Willie "hit em where they ain't" Keeler has probably rolled over in his grave a few times.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 13, 2022 7:59:47 GMT -5
The owners will not sell as much beer with the reduced time it takes to play the games. Well they extended the time between innings by 15 seconds so they will be able to sell more ads. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 13, 2022 10:14:53 GMT -5
I think the shift is way over used, but I don't think it should be banned I look at teams shifting on poor hitters with little pop in their bat. It blows my mind that these guys don't lay down a bunt for an easy hit. I can understand an Aaron Judge wanting to swing away because there's a risk reward balance and the reward of a home run might be worth the risk, I guy with little power probably isn't going to do much better than a single, so what possible reason is there for not bunting and taking the easy base. Also might get guys to stop shifting so you can take your normal swing more often. I remember a Red Sox manager who in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th and a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs would sometimes bring one of the outfielders into the infield figuring a fly ball would end the game, I don't remember it ever working, but he had the latitude to try different things and put his fielders wherever he wanted boutique. Baseball shouldn't reduce strategy options. Strategy keeps a 147 year old slow paced game interesting. Pulling the goalie in hockey doesn't always work but it shouldn't be prohibited. |
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