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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 11, 2022 22:30:08 GMT -5
The Elis will probably start crying when they see Derek Ng in uniform. I hope he gets a dozen points this coming week—-all on PATs
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Sept 11, 2022 22:40:38 GMT -5
Post by longsuffering on Sept 11, 2022 22:40:38 GMT -5
Of course someone can correct my memory if I have the years wrong but . . . . 2005 win away 22-19 (our season record 6-5) 2006 did not play 2007 lose home 38-17 (season record 7-4) 2008 lose away 31-28 (season record 7-4) 2009 we were scheduled to play Yale at home - contract abrogated - we are 9-3 PL champs barely losing to national champs Villanova in the NCAA playoffs. We end up playing Sacred Heart instead (no, they weren't good then, we beat SH 52-21) Don't play them again until 2017 but we have to resume the series starting back in the Yale Bowl rather than at Fitton. We were 4-7 in 2016 and again in 2017 when it was safe for them to play us again. They don't like losing to us or even close games and certainly not a level playing field. Get too good and any ongoing series gets cancelled. sader1970, HC92 and others have it right. We are 6-28 vs. Yale all-time (1-7 at home and 5-21 at Yale) with two 11 game losing streaks…the first 11 games against them in the early 1900s (all on the road) where we were shutout in the last 10 and then more recently in the 1990s and early 2000s. They have “slalomed” through the schedule with us over the years, not only by playing over 75% of the games in New Haven but also by somehow managing never to play us in years in which we have been good pre-PL or in which we won a PL championship (until 2019). Of our 6 wins vs. the Eli, only two have come by more than 7 pts., including the 1967 game with Phil O’Neill, Bob Neary, Dick Giardi et al. and Calvin Hill. I’m confident that HCBC, the staff and the players know the history of this series, especially the last 3 games, and will be well prepared. Did "BD" from Doonesbury (Brian Dowling) play in that game? Did he keep his helmet on in the shower?
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Sept 11, 2022 22:45:45 GMT -5
Post by longsuffering on Sept 11, 2022 22:45:45 GMT -5
Of course someone can correct my memory if I have the years wrong but . . . . 2005 win away 22-19 (our season record 6-5) 2006 did not play 2007 lose home 38-17 (season record 7-4) 2008 lose away 31-28 (season record 7-4) 2009 we were scheduled to play Yale at home - contract abrogated - we are 9-3 PL champs barely losing to national champs Villanova in the NCAA playoffs. We end up playing Sacred Heart instead (no, they weren't good then, we beat SH 52-21) Don't play them again until 2017 but we have to resume the series starting back in the Yale Bowl rather than at Fitton. We were 4-7 in 2016 and again in 2017 when it was safe for them to play us again. They don't like losing to us or even close games and certainly not a level playing field. Get too good and any ongoing series gets cancelled. sader1970, HC92 and others have it right. We are 6-28 vs. Yale all-time (1-7 at home and 5-21 at Yale) with two 11 game losing streaks…the first 11 games against them in the early 1900s (all on the road) where we were shutout in the last 10 and then more recently in the 1990s and early 2000s. They have “slalomed” through the schedule with us over the years, not only by playing over 75% of the games in New Haven but also by somehow managing never to play us in years in which we have been good pre-PL or in which we won a PL championship (until 2019). Of our 6 wins vs. the Eli, only two have come by more than 7 pts., including the 1967 game with Phil O’Neill, Bob Neary, Dick Giardi et al. and Calvin Hill. I’m confident that HCBC, the staff and the players know the history of this series, especially the last 3 games, and will be well prepared. Yale's other two OOC games are against winless teams Howard and Bucknell. We are their Superbowl (except for their quaint end of season tussle) so no let down please.
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Sept 11, 2022 22:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by Xmassader on Sept 11, 2022 22:49:39 GMT -5
Dowling was injured in the pre-season and did not play in that game. I believe it was Yale’s only loss of the ‘67 season.
Heard a lot about Dowling before I came to HC from the Jesuit scholastics at my HS many of whom were, like Dowling, alums of Cleveland St. Ignatius. Was looking forward to seeing him in the ‘67 game but, in retrospect, it was probably best for HC that he missed the game.
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Sept 11, 2022 23:40:17 GMT -5
Post by longsuffering on Sept 11, 2022 23:40:17 GMT -5
Interesting that BD's brother Mike Dowling, who was a long time sports reporter for Channel 5 in Boston, was a Mormon, I'm quite sure, but maybe I just thought that because he went to Brigham Young. There was a period of time when there was a small "Mormon Mafia" (1980s) in Boston Sports with Bruce Hurst pitching for the Red Sox, Danny Ainge playing for the Celtics and Mike Dowling covering sports at channel 5. They all were in the same congregation with Mitt Romney as I recall.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 12, 2022 4:33:09 GMT -5
The Elis will probably start crying when they see Derek Ng in uniform. I hope he gets a dozen points this coming week—-all on PATs This caused me to spit up my morning coffee. Well done.
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Sept 12, 2022 5:00:25 GMT -5
Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Sept 12, 2022 5:00:25 GMT -5
Not sure who this individual is providing this pre-season review of Yale FB but he seems fairly knowledgeable. yalefb.com/Let’s Win . . !! #BEATYALE ✝️👊🏻🏈👊🏾✝️ Read this, including the comments, and you are guaranteed to be more optimistic about Saturday.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 12, 2022 6:22:52 GMT -5
I remember in 1967 hearing from some sportswriters that our win at Yale "did not count" and that Yale should count the season as "undefeated" since Yale did not have spring football. Of course, they assumed HC did have spring practice. The fact that we did not seemed beyond their grasp. I have always felt that Yale scheduled HC only when it would clearly benefit then and that they did not like a level playing field...but that is just my opinion.
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Sept 12, 2022 7:11:44 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Sept 12, 2022 7:11:44 GMT -5
Was at that game at the Bowl on that day. HC was the better team. Yalies sitting behind us started complaining about the Yale coach, Carmen Cozza. They felt he was he was incompetent and would not last long at Yale. The enthusiasm of those fans for Yale football was only exceeded by their ignorance, especially about the great Coach Cozza. As the game progressed and it became more apparent HC would win the crowd around us became sullen and disinterested... Small claques literally stopped paying close attention to the game and began conversations about other things. It was a very quiet exit. The loss most assuredly counted to Yale fans at that game. Sore losers... And the old bromide about good losers are sure to be losers does not apply. There is a certain perspective. Saw some tough HC games. Fans were upset/angry yet they sucked it up. Not Yale at that time... Maybe it's due to their inferiority complex with Harvard. No doubt if HC defeats Yale they will manufacture something to complain about. Pay it no mind. The win/loss in the record is all that counts.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Sept 12, 2022 7:38:24 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight, the Yale folks can predict, in advance, whether or not HC will have a lousy team at the same point in time when they know that they will have a great team. And those are the only times they are willing to play us. On top of that, their fans are arguably the worst sports in the world and will create any excuse to explain away HC victories. One has to wonder why we agree to schedule them at all.
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Post by hc6774 on Sept 12, 2022 7:56:44 GMT -5
I remember in 1967 hearing from some sportswriters that our win at Yale "did not count" and that Yale should count the season as "undefeated" since Yale did not have spring football. Of course, they assumed HC did have spring practice. The fact that we did not seemed beyond their grasp. I have always felt that Yale scheduled HC only when it would clearly benefit then and that they did not like a level playing field...but that is just my opinion. For some context for this period from Fr K's book pp432-434 In 1967, the BoT commissioned a study to determine the 'right nitch' for the athletic program. The study's report issued in December 1968, focused on the football program with its 'high visibility and costly scholarships'. In August 1968, the football team held illegal practices in Canada. There were also 'alleged recruiting infractions' by HC alumni in Plymouth MA In June 1969 the NCAA issued 'private reprimands & censures* because of the College's initiatives in conducting investigations and acting upon them'. *I.e no public announcements. The coach was forced to resign & vis a vis the alumni infractions, 'forceable action was taken'. Prior to the 1969 season the coach's 'resignation was requested and accepted'. He was replaced by a coach from Princeton.... then hepatitis happened
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Sept 12, 2022 7:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Sept 12, 2022 7:57:57 GMT -5
The criticisms of Yale's fans do not tell the whole story. A bit of a tradition?Yale is a good rival. There have been no physical altercations between the armies of fans on both sides. There are always going to be some obnoxious fans even at HC. Heard an HC fan criticize ND, a highly respected school which HC has never played.(Football). She said they are the fighting Irish. We are the loving Irish. Some HC fans cheered in agreement. Others rolled their eyes. Her silly idiocy & poor sportsmanship were appalling. No doubt the differences among the Yale fans are similar.
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Sept 12, 2022 9:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 12, 2022 9:51:56 GMT -5
Speaking for myself and my observation, Yale can't predict in any given year when we will have a lousy or great team. They can spot trends, just as we can. Of course, there can unexpected deviations from those trends. I know that we had a multi-year contract with Yale and as we were turning a corner and heading toward a PL championship year and they were contracted to play us at Fitton, they canceled out close to the last minute (from memory, the summer before the scheduled game) and we had to scramble to fill the slot (Sacred Heart). Then we're on a downward slide and viola! we resume the series only we have to start back at their place despite them stiffing us almost 10 years prior. If someone can archive it on Crossports, I'm pretty sure I was griping that if we resumed the series we should insist the first game be at Fitton. As for their fans, I don't recall them being any more obnoxious than any other Ivy fans. It seems to have less to do with football and more about them being just generally superior to most people. I might feel the same way if I had an Ivy sheepskin?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Sept 12, 2022 10:24:39 GMT -5
Fair enough, sader70, but HC should have listened to you and not agreed to unfavorable scheduling. Looks like Yale didn't do a very good job of predicting our current trend.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 12, 2022 10:29:37 GMT -5
sader1970 Don't sell yourself short. You are indeed superior to everybody else. In fact all of us around the globe are superior to everybody else or a little above average. I get your point about Ivy self perceptions. I'm not trying to undermine you but some have told me HC folks are elitist in their attitudes. I replied HC is elitist with good reason. HA!!! Let's beat Yale & Harvard to show who is superior this year.
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Sept 12, 2022 11:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 11:19:38 GMT -5
Anyone recall the reason Yale backed out at the last minute and who they replaced us with?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 12, 2022 11:30:43 GMT -5
Anyone recall the reason Yale backed out at the last minute and who they replaced us with? Was Jim Calhoun the coach that year?
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Sept 12, 2022 11:34:58 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2022 11:34:58 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that Yale went to nearly ridiculous lengths to avoid running it up in Tom Gilmore’s last Holy Cross game. Actually, scratch ‘nearly’.
And that whole notion that Yale can foretell when we’re going to be good and bad ( a curious misfire lately) is funny.
We’re firing on all cylinders this season and they have no idea what’s going to happen when they turn on their ignition. Hate to be in their shoes this year v Holy Cross.
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Sept 12, 2022 11:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 11:40:02 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that Yale went to nearly ridiculous lengths to avoid running it up in Tom Gilmore’s last Holy Cross game. Actually, scratch ‘nearly’. And that whole notion that Yale can foretell when we’re going to be good and bad ( a curious misfire lately) is funny. We’re firing on all cylinders this season and they have no idea what’s going to happen when they turn on their ignition. Hate to be in their shoes this year v Holy Cross. Gilmore is in the Ivy "club."
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Sept 12, 2022 11:48:55 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2022 11:48:55 GMT -5
/\ /\ At one point midway thru the absolute debacle, instead of punting on 4th down, they did a conventional snap and took a knee. Stuff like that. Repeatedly. (Maybe they did know it was his last game, hmmmmm. Like they know when to schedule and when not to schedule us. 😱)
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Sept 12, 2022 11:50:22 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 11:50:22 GMT -5
You are given those powers during orientation week in the IL.😄
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 12, 2022 12:03:58 GMT -5
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Sept 12, 2022 12:07:56 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Sept 12, 2022 12:07:56 GMT -5
At one time taking a knee was quite common. It was the thing to do out of respect. In the last 30-40 years teams have commonly "run their offense" quite often but not always with starters and run up the scores. Maybe its concern about rankings or a desire to puff up your chest. I don't like it. TBT there were some games HC did not take a knee and did"run its offense" and in the process it did run up the score. In fact I remember a game HC kept some starters in the game into the third quarter, did not take a knee on their way to scoring 60+ pts. Third & fourth string did play the fourth quarter. Guys said the HC the opponent was so lousy HC could not prevent it. I did not buy it.Empty the bench. Take a knee. And, the argument that taking a knee shows no respect is a false narrative. Keeping the starters in, running the offense and running up the score shows no respect. In fact taking a knee has been considered a sign of respect for your opponent. Blowouts are an embarrassment to both teams.
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Sept 12, 2022 13:08:20 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Sept 12, 2022 13:08:20 GMT -5
Wanna bet if we torch them this season and next that this agreement will suddenly disappear?
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Sept 12, 2022 13:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2022 13:19:28 GMT -5
/\ It’s certainly not to their advantage to open up v a tuned-up Chesney squad at this point.
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