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Sept 13, 2022 14:16:13 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Sept 13, 2022 14:16:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan. Bassett, BTW, predicted HC would beat Buffalo by 10.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 14:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 13, 2022 14:54:17 GMT -5
As posted earlier, Massey makes HC a 2 point favorite. BASSETT predicts the following for this week: HC by 1 over Yale in a toss-up game (50-50)Both see the game as VERY close, agreeing with many posters on Crossports. Holy Cross giving 1 point or 2??? Go to the window and bet the Crusaders with both hands It only takes one hand to hold a quarter.đ¤Ł
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 13, 2022 15:36:21 GMT -5
www.voy.com/152805/206495.htmlThread on the game in the voy forum, started with this post by a poster who seems to have played football at Yale. The first reply post was this. A reply
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 17:25:40 GMT -5
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Post by tj on Sept 13, 2022 17:25:40 GMT -5
Of course someone can correct my memory if I have the years wrong but . . . . 2005 win away 22-19 (our season record 6-5) 2006 did not play 2007 lose home 38-17 (season record 7-4) 2008 lose away 31-28 (season record 7-4) 2009 we were scheduled to play Yale at home - contract abrogated - we are 9-3 PL champs barely losing to national champs Villanova in the NCAA playoffs. We end up playing Sacred Heart instead (no, they weren't good then, we beat SH 52-21) Don't play them again until 2017 but we have to resume the series starting back in the Yale Bowl rather than at Fitton. We were 4-7 in 2016 and again in 2017 when it was safe for them to play us again. They don't like losing to us or even close games and certainly not a level playing field. Get too good and any ongoing series gets cancelled.  sader1970, HC92 and others have it right. We are 6-28 vs. Yale all-time (1-7 at home and 5-21 at Yale) with two 11 game losing streaksâŚthe first 11 games against them in the early 1900s (all on the road) where we were shutout in the last 10 and then more recently in the 1990s and early 2000s. They have âslalomedâ through the schedule with us over the years, not only by playing over 75% of the games in New Haven but also by somehow managing never to play us in years in which we have been good pre-PL or in which we won a PL championship (until 2019). Of our 6 wins vs. the Eli, only two have come by more than 7 pts., including the 1967 game with Phil OâNeill, Bob Neary, Dick Giardi et al. and Calvin Hill. Iâm confident that HCBC, the staff and the players know the history of this series, especially the last 3 games, and will be well prepared. I was at the 67 game at Yale. Still remember the excitement of beating them in what was supposed to be a great season. I think we ended up 5-5 and then Giardi died.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 17:28:08 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Sept 13, 2022 17:28:08 GMT -5
A great win...and a very sad memory... paired in that season.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 17:30:55 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Sept 13, 2022 17:30:55 GMT -5
Was there as well and, you are correct, final results for the season 5-5. Not as good as 6-3-1 the year before but went downhill from there. '68 - 3-6-1 and don't even ask about '69.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 18:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 13, 2022 18:23:41 GMT -5
The IL played nine games when we played ten. In 1967 the IL had two OOC games. Yale played UConn, Harvard played Lafayette and BU with all three listed as non major while HC is listed as independent, even though in the early '50s BU was a nationally ranked major college with Harry Agganis as QB.
BU and UConn made opposite decisions about FB and that sport is currently providing no joy in either Kenmore Square or Storrs. Imo, FB is at the appropriate level for HC, H, Y and Laffy in the PL and IL.
The advantage the PL has is post season eligibility. I believe if H or Y was good enough to be invited to a bowl game in 1967 they would have happily gone and Cheerleading Captain GWB would have led the cheers (might have been graduated by then actually). I don't know when the IL post season ban began but I hope it never spreads to the PL. If it does I'll join the call to change leagues.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 18:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Sept 13, 2022 18:26:31 GMT -5
The IL post-season ban already spread to the PL once (when we were last consistently great in the late 80s and missed multiple opportunities to compete for a national title). Donât think it will ever return.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 18:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 13, 2022 18:38:40 GMT -5
Oh yes. I remember opening up my hard copy of the T&G every morning and trying to will a story saying that HC had decided to ignore the PL ban and accept the invite to post season play to appear in the sports section.
It never did. I assumed the other PL Presidents would back Father Brooks if he made the call and change the foolish rule that was ultimately changed anyway.
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Sept 13, 2022 19:41:52 GMT -5
Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Sept 13, 2022 19:41:52 GMT -5
No post season play my four years at ND and one year we were National Champs (sort of). My two favorite teams had similarly flawed policies which now seem baffling.
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Yale
Sept 13, 2022 19:42:27 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Sept 13, 2022 19:42:27 GMT -5
From former HC player Philip Gough, who is now a Notre Dame football blogger:
I was down bad bad on Saturday night on account of the Irish. Football gods taketh, but they can also giveth. Holy Cross upset an FBS school for the second year in a row, on a wild finish no less. I appreciate all of the tweet, texts, and love I got from this as I feel like you all have really embraced my Crusaders. Anyway, they take on the Yale Bulldogs this week...look for a very tough matchup in the home opener at Fitton Field. Former Irish WR Jay Brunelle will look to make an impact, but is bested by HC Corner John Smith, who will finish the game with a int and 3 PBUs. This one is close, but HC pulls away in the 4th with some stout defensive play
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Post by hcpride on Sept 14, 2022 3:05:59 GMT -5
No post season play my four years at ND and one year we were National Champs (sort of). My two favorite teams had similarly flawed policies which now seem baffling. Weâve got another flawed policy that needs revisiting. This yearâs terrific experience with 5th year players proves we (HC) can have non-medical 5th year players without our academic reputation collapsing. Once the Covid players cycle thru itâs time to institute a non-medical redshirt program.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 7:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Sept 14, 2022 7:34:24 GMT -5
No post season play my four years at ND and one year we were National Champs (sort of). My two favorite teams had similarly flawed policies which now seem baffling. Weâve got another flawed policy that needs revisiting. This yearâs terrific experience with 5th year players proves we (HC) can have non-medical 5th year players without our academic reputation collapsing. Once the Covid players cycle thru itâs time to institute a non-medical redshirt program. 1000 đđź
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 7:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 14, 2022 7:36:22 GMT -5
I thought (except for the "pandemic") the PL did not allow such redshirts.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 8:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2022 8:17:41 GMT -5
It's the extra Covid year that is allowed. Football makes it fairly convenient with players able to take one spring semester off and return in the fall.
If full red-shirting becomes allowed, what is the effect of dividing sixty scholarships by five instead of four. To my pea brain that means only fifteen full scholarships per class. What is the effect of that? Could a future non-near Messiah coach keep good players jacked and pumped for five years at a four year undergraduate college?
Would HC be better served looking for transfers-in who have received three years of scholarship elsewhere and have their two peak years left for HC?
It's a complicated subject.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 14, 2022 8:50:50 GMT -5
It's the extra Covid year that is allowed. Football makes it fairly convenient with players able to take one spring semester off and return in the fall. If full red-shirting becomes allowed, what is the effect of dividing sixty scholarships by five instead of four. To my pea brain that means only fifteen full scholarships per class. What is the effect of that? Could a future non-near Messiah coach keep good players jacked and pumped for five years at a four year undergraduate college? Would HC be better served looking for transfers-in who have received three years of scholarship elsewhere and have their two peak years left for HC? It's a complicated subject. The point being the 5th year guys (Covid and otherwise) are being properly managed, we beat Buffalo and things are great. We can do the same via non-medical 5th year redshirts once the Covid 5th year kids cycle out. As we already do with medical redshirt 5th years.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 8:58:58 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2022 8:58:58 GMT -5
Jimmy Murray is the poster child for the extra year of development. He might never of got his foot in the NFL door without it. I don't recall it being said of him "He'll be playing on Sundays" earlier in his HC career.
It could work for a handful of players per year.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 9:01:12 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Sept 14, 2022 9:01:12 GMT -5
Yup...this staff certainly has shown the ability to adapt (and to get the players to adapt) to whatever gets sent our way.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 9:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2022 9:04:32 GMT -5
Hope an FBS tomato can is sent our way in 2024.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 9:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 14, 2022 9:06:39 GMT -5
Jimmy Murray is the poster child for the extra year of development. He might never of got his foot in the NFL door without it. I don't recall it being said of him "He'll be playing on Sundays" earlier in his HC career. It could work for a handful of players per year. One of the many ways it may work out is for those aiming at pro careers. But Iâd put that way down on a list of reasons to keep the team playing field level v quality FCS competition once the Covid 5th years cycle out. (I think even those âcopycat the Ivy football programâ types have given up the ghost on that argument since we now participate in the playoffs, give full athletic scholarships, grant medical redshirts, start our football games on a rational date, etc. etc.)
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 9:19:09 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Sept 14, 2022 9:19:09 GMT -5
Would not that have to be a PL decision ?
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 9:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2022 9:46:59 GMT -5
Yes.
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 10:05:19 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 14, 2022 10:05:19 GMT -5
At FBS schools do players on redshirt count against the (85?) scholarship limit? For HC and the PL I think redshirts would get expensive-I'm assuming that a player on scholarship would have another year of free schooling, right? Instead of 60 scholarship equivalents we might have 65 or 70??
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Yale
Sept 14, 2022 11:00:29 GMT -5
Post by trimster on Sept 14, 2022 11:00:29 GMT -5
No post season play my four years at ND and one year we were National Champs (sort of). My two favorite teams had similarly flawed policies which now seem baffling. Weâve got another flawed policy that needs revisiting. This yearâs terrific experience with 5th year players proves we (HC) can have non-medical 5th year players without our academic reputation collapsing. Once the Covid players cycle thru itâs time to institute a non-medical redshirt program. I think there is a better chance Hell will freeze over than HC instituting redshirting.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 14, 2022 11:07:45 GMT -5
The few football players that I know who went a 5th year took a semester off. And, after they finish the fall semester so they can play football, they then are done with academics and come back in May/June to walk at graduation. They basically skip 2 spring semesters and attend 2 fall semesters. The skipped spring semesters aren't schollied. So, I believe it still was just 4 years of scholarship. But maybe I haven't thought that one through completely.
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