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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 12, 2022 7:40:08 GMT -5
The rankings are out today. The WaPo has a long article taking aim at the ranking methodology. wapo.st/3qtsDbF^^^ This is not behind a paywall. Villanova is discussed. Villanova's increased popularity stems mainly from it being reclassified as a national university. The President of Princeton refuses to reputationally rank other institutions. The article attacks USN&WR reputational score component, which is a subjective score.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 12, 2022 8:01:07 GMT -5
How did HC fare ?
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Post by alum on Sept 12, 2022 8:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2022 9:06:06 GMT -5
Our top 4 application overlap schools (alphabetically):
BC 31 (National University Category) Fordham 72 ((National University Category) Notre Dame 18 (National University Category) Providence College 1 (Regional University North Region)
We were T-33 (with Pitzer and Scripps.) National Liberal Arts Colleges Category.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 12, 2022 9:07:37 GMT -5
Does anyone recall where we placed last year ?
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Post by rf1 on Sept 12, 2022 9:10:52 GMT -5
Locally for national universities, WPI is #67 and Clark moves into the top 100 at #97.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 9:16:35 GMT -5
WPI tops Fordham.
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Post by alum on Sept 12, 2022 9:18:30 GMT -5
Does anyone recall where we placed last year ? I found a thread which says we were 35 last year.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 12, 2022 9:21:25 GMT -5
Did this current ranking include the current freshman class ?
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 9:22:02 GMT -5
Our top 4 application overlap schools (alphabetically): BC 31 (National University Category) Fordham 72 ((National University Category) Notre Dame 18 (National University Category) Providence College 1 (Regional University North Region) We were T-33 (with Pitzer and Scripps.) National Liberal Arts Colleges Category. Tied with Pitzer and Scripps. We have an identity crisis. This may be the first time those other two colleges have ever appeared in Crossports, even in this non-sports category. Although the MBB OOC schedule isn't out yet.😄
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Post by matunuck on Sept 12, 2022 9:27:47 GMT -5
Did this current ranking include the current freshman class ? No -- 2025
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 12, 2022 9:41:14 GMT -5
Our top 4 application overlap schools (alphabetically): BC 31 (National University Category) Fordham 72 ((National University Category) Notre Dame 18 (National University Category) Providence College 1 (Regional University North Region) We were T-33 (with Pitzer and Scripps.) National Liberal Arts Colleges Category. Tied with Pitzer and Scripps. We have an identity crisis. This may be the first time those other two colleges have ever appeared in Crossports, even in this non-sports category. Although the MBB OOC schedule isn't out yet.😄 If we finish the season ranked #10 in football, right between North Dakota and Weber State, do we have an identity crisis?
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2022 10:10:53 GMT -5
Our top 4 application overlap schools (alphabetically): BC 31 (National University Category) Fordham 72 ((National University Category) Notre Dame 18 (National University Category) Providence College 1 (Regional University North Region) We were T-33 (with Pitzer and Scripps.) National Liberal Arts Colleges Category. Tied with Pitzer and Scripps. We have an identity crisis. This may be the first time those other two colleges have ever appeared in Crossports, even in this non-sports category. Although the MBB OOC schedule isn't out yet.😄 It is kinda funny that our significant overlap schools are NOT our competitors in USN&WR rankings AND the two we are tied with in the USN&WR rankings are about as far removed as humanly possible from application overlaps. In fact, we’re not a significant application overlap with any of the schools in our national liberal arts college category…Pitzer and Scripps just drive that point home wonderfully. Sooooooo, one might suggest the national liberal arts college rankings are irrelevant as far as prospective Holy Cross applicants and their parents are concerned.(Beyond a generic notion that higher ranked is a good thing.)
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Post by alum on Sept 12, 2022 10:28:55 GMT -5
Tied with Pitzer and Scripps. We have an identity crisis. This may be the first time those other two colleges have ever appeared in Crossports, even in this non-sports category. Although the MBB OOC schedule isn't out yet.😄 It is kinda funny that our significant overlap schools are NOT our competitors in USN&WR rankings AND the two we are tied with in the USN&WR rankings are about as far removed as humanly possible from application overlaps. In fact, we’re not a significant application overlap with any of the schools in our national liberal arts college category…Pitzer and Scripps just drive that point home wonderfully. Sooooooo, one might suggest the national liberal arts college rankings are irrelevant as far as prospective Holy Cross applicants and their parents are concerned.(Beyond a generic notion that higher ranked is a good thing.) So, I take two messages from this: 1. There are still Catholic kids who want to go to a Catholic college. I wonder if they attend Catholic high schools and, whether they do or not, if they are cultural Catholics as opposed to weekly church going ones. 2. There are non Catholic kids who want to go to New England small liberal arts colleges. We need to attract them. Interestingly, I wonder if some do not associate us with the NESCACs and their ilk because we are Catholic and because we are D1?
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 10:43:12 GMT -5
Tied with Pitzer and Scripps. We have an identity crisis. This may be the first time those other two colleges have ever appeared in Crossports, even in this non-sports category. Although the MBB OOC schedule isn't out yet.😄 If we finish the season ranked #10 in football, right between North Dakota and Weber State, do we have an identity crisis? Nobody can pigeonhole the College of the Holy Cross! The most fascinating college in the U.S.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 12, 2022 10:55:25 GMT -5
It does make me wonder why Holy Cross long ago decided, and continues to insist, that we stay a "small, liberal arts college" when so many others, even smaller have gone or are considering going university. There are 27 Jesuit colleges & universities in the United States and we are the only strictly undergrad in the bunch.
It does make us a real niche and hard to compare both with our "betters" (i.e. Ivies) and "lessers" (no need to name any of them) especially when you throw on Jesuit and Catholic.
While I understand the decision to remain liberal arts undergrad school was purposeful, I don't recall ever seeing the rationale for it. Probably excellent reasons, I just don't know what they are. Anyone?
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 11:02:46 GMT -5
It does make me wonder why Holy Cross long ago decided, and continues to insist, that we stay a "small, liberal arts college" when so many others, even smaller have gone or are considering going university. There are 27 Jesuit colleges & universities in the United States and we are the only strictly undergrad in the bunch. It does make us a real niche and hard to compare both with our "betters" (i.e. Ivies) and "lessers" (no need to name any of them) especially when you throw on Jesuit and Catholic. While I understand the decision to remain liberal arts undergrad school was purposeful, I don't recall ever seeing the rationale for it. Probably excellent reasons, I just don't know what they are. Anyone? Hemmed in geographically before HC gained the resources to gentrify College Hill? I'll defer to Pak for the definitive reason.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 12, 2022 11:16:08 GMT -5
Nah, there are lot smaller schools physically/geographically than HC that are universities. Even before buying adjacent property.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 12, 2022 11:21:55 GMT -5
Nah, there are lot smaller schools physically/geographically than HC that are universities. Even before buying adjacent property. Clark is one.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 12, 2022 16:33:35 GMT -5
Columbia dropped from 2 to 18 after a prof accused the school with fudging stats. On today’s NYT home page.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 12, 2022 17:59:19 GMT -5
It does make me wonder why Holy Cross long ago decided, and continues to insist, that we stay a "small, liberal arts college" when so many others, even smaller have gone or are considering going university. There are 27 Jesuit colleges & universities in the United States and we are the only strictly undergrad in the bunch. It does make us a real niche and hard to compare both with our "betters" (i.e. Ivies) and "lessers" (no need to name any of them) especially when you throw on Jesuit and Catholic. While I understand the decision to remain liberal arts undergrad school was purposeful, I don't recall ever seeing the rationale for it. Probably excellent reasons, I just don't know what they are. Anyone? Hemmed in geographically before HC gained the resources to gentrify College Hill? I'll defer to Pak for the definitive reason. Holy Cross dropped the Business Administration major, in the recasting of the curriculum. The very small graduate school went away as well. Accounting was the only major that remained and which could be considered a vocational type major, not within the traditional liberal arts rubric. Phreek's sense is that the 'liberal arts' decision was made at a time when Jesuit institutions were in financial peril. Endowments were minuscule. Schools were debt-financing their annual operations. HC was better off than most, but not by much. Business administration was a popular major, let BC offer it. Phreek suspects this was more of a seat-of-the-pants decision by provincials rather than something generated by a consultant's study.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 12, 2022 18:35:00 GMT -5
If the Jesuits had removed the liberal arts from their other schools (I know that is not possible), HC would have had a real niche. You want Jesuit liberal arts courses, go to Holy Cross.
As it is now, if you want to study the liberal arts you can do so at schools (BC, Fordham, etc.) with various other attractive options too.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 12, 2022 18:48:46 GMT -5
OK, Phreek, we know Queen Elizabeth II has passed on but what's with you now using 3rd person references to yourself? The "royal we" next?
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Post by mm67 on Sept 12, 2022 18:53:43 GMT -5
Memories. '62 in hs. Chem teacher, Fr.? a bit of a wildcard, smoked in Chem lab. The Labs were indeed interesting and fraught w/anticipation. He stated HC was in reality a small college which because of its prominence was thought to be a larger university. He admired & loved HC. In his view HC offered the finest education of any Catholic college in America. HC had integrity. It was the real deal. He was not a Jesuit. He was a fine man with a contrarian streak. The algebra of life can bring one to unexpected places.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 12, 2022 19:09:09 GMT -5
In '62 during a safety lecture in chem lab, Br. Clancy burned himself on a hot glass rod and set his hair on fire with a bunsen burner (both accidentally). A memorable class.
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