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Post by hchoops on Sept 18, 2022 6:42:32 GMT -5
The women’s team received their PLC beautiful rings yesterday.in the Hart before the football game. Avery came from Madison to attend. My guess as to why it was done yesterday rather than at an early home game is because of Avery’s availability now rather than later.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 18, 2022 8:48:11 GMT -5
I really don't mean to be a wise guy here, but need to say it -- We didn't win the PL Championship. We had the best record in the regular season, which gave us the #1 seed in the PL Tournament. We lost to Navy in the first round at home.
Why are we handing out rings?
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 18, 2022 9:02:09 GMT -5
I imagine for the regular season championship. Nice that it was done on homecoming weekend for the publicity and to "show off" the team at homecoming.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 18, 2022 11:21:31 GMT -5
Huh? Yes we did. There is a league regular season champion (men's and women's) which the ladies won and there is a league tournament champion, which we didn't win thanks to Champion-like shot by Navy. Don't get confused because only the tournament champion is guaranteed an NCAA slot. The regular season champion, if they don't win the tournament, goes to the NIT/WNIT, where we went and lost to Columbia in the first round. But SOV, I know you know this.
Avery and company are indeed PL champions.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 11:45:54 GMT -5
For historians, is this the first time HC has had a person who is reigning Patriot League Player of the year, Crusader of the year and PL (regular season or tournament) Champion to honor?
We've had FB, MBB and WBB PL championship teams with star players but I'm not sure anyone but Avery won the triple crown.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 18, 2022 12:02:22 GMT -5
Huh? Yes we did. There is a league regular season champion (men's and women's) which the ladies won and there is a league tournament champion, which we didn't win thanks to Champion-like shot by Navy. Don't get confused because only the tournament champion is guaranteed an NCAA slot. The regular season champion, if they don't win the tournament, goes to the NIT/WNIT, where we went and lost to Columbia in the first round. But SOV, I know you know this. Avery and company are indeed PL champions. Will a banner be raised for winning the regular season title? I am not trying to be flippant or disparage the accomplishment from the women's team last year, but I think there's a big difference between a regular season title and winning the league championship (tournament). You will have to tell those in Center Valley that HC were PL champions last year because all I can see on the PL website is this:https://patriotleague.org/news/2022/3/13/american-claims-2022-pedfed-credit-union-patriot-league-womens-basketball-championship-3-13-22.aspx There was not any release I can find that mentioned HC as champions.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 12:26:50 GMT -5
You have accurately identified the amount of emphasis placed on winning the two different championships. For instance, who remembers the 2016 PL Men's basketball regular season champion compared to the lore surrounding HC winning four road tournament games to snag the league auto bid after winning no road regular season league games.
But there are two trophies I assume and there certainly is room in the Hart for a banner, which HC should be proud of since this squad was very undersized and played way over their heads as a team.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 12:57:19 GMT -5
The best question this discussion prompts is whether Bucknell hung a banner or the PL issued a trophy for Bucknell's PL Football Divisional Championship in the Spring 2021 season, as well as both Divisional and league championship trophies to HC?
Those would be a collectors item as the only two Patriot League Division Champion trophies in existence.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 18, 2022 12:59:11 GMT -5
My memory is pretty darn close to the worst or approaching the worst here but I am pretty sure some of those banners floating high above the Hart Center include regular season champions. As always, I defer to the younger. more vibrant (or at least more observant) Hart attendees.
While we can discuss this for another 10-15 pages, there is something to be said for a regular season champ being a bigger deal than the tournament champ. It is over the long haul and more like winning a marathon and the tournament winning a sprint. As L/S posted, or implied, look at Carmody's team that won the tournament but believe had less than a .500 record, under that for overall. They caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle. Were they the best PL team that year? Really? No. Champion's buzzer beating tying shot miss and we're gone.
As for me, glad they got a ring and IMHO, they deserved it.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 18, 2022 13:18:40 GMT -5
I see both sides of the argument above. Would be good to get to the point where we have so many things to celebrate that we can pick and choose. Given where we’ve been across all sports ex. football, I’m okay celebrating a regular season accomplishment as we try to get some positive vibes flowing through the athletic dept.
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Post by thecrossisback on Sept 18, 2022 13:44:59 GMT -5
Bill Carmody said after we beat Bucknell. They should be the team that represents the PL in the tournament. Bucknell was the best team for 18 games.
In this case HC was the best PL womens basketball team during the year.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 18, 2022 14:39:13 GMT -5
I really don't mean to be a wise guy here, but need to say it -- We didn't win the PL Championship. We had the best record in the regular season, which gave us the #1 seed in the PL Tournament. We lost to Navy in the first round at home. Why are we handing out rings? That's a good question. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 14:46:07 GMT -5
What did Bucknell do for their 2016 regular season men's champions? Ignore them?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 18, 2022 14:52:23 GMT -5
What did Bucknell do for their 2016 regular season men's champions? Ignore them? Probably nothing because they didn't win anything. Does a regular season title mean anything compared to the postseason championship? Here is the record book for PL men's basketball: patriotleague.org/documents/2021/10/12/PatriotMBB_Record_Book_2021_22.pdfThe team with the asterisk next to their name each season connotes the PL champion.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 18, 2022 15:27:38 GMT -5
Oh, then SOV, you'll jump on this one. The HCAA Board of Directors meeting we were brainstorming what to do to help the TWO year (not one but two) celebration of the 50th anniversary of the school going co-ed. In my breakout group, one guy says he is neighbors with Sherry Levin (assume I don't have to go into her history) and that there are zero women whose number have been raised in the Hart Center. I jokingly said that's because none have played in the NBA. But our small group did think this was an idea with merit. OK . . . . . discuss . . . .
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 18, 2022 15:34:13 GMT -5
I think scoring 2,500+ points in your career would warrant some kind of distinction in the Hart. Put her jersey in the rafters.
This seems pretty different than rewarding a regular season title vs. postseason championship.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 15:35:23 GMT -5
You win the NIT/WNIT auto bid if you don’t proceed to win the league tournament and you win the top seed in the league tournament. The PL Record book doesn't award them an asterisk but it's not uncommon to see teams referred to as "regular season champions" in media accounts.
I'm pleased the players received rings because most other HC teams compete in smaller than ten team configurations in their sport and don’t get a sniff of first place so it's a good incentive and accomplishment.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 15:41:29 GMT -5
I think scoring 2,500+ points in your career would warrant some kind of distinction in the Hart. Put her jersey in the rafters. This seems pretty different than rewarding a regular season title vs. postseason championship. I was present for both the first and second four jersey raisings. Rare full gym for both as I recall. Now that you mention it, Sherry should have been part of at least the second group but without leaving any of the men out. Now since that ship has sailed perhaps a night for the first four women. Sherry, Amy O'Brien and which two more for the first class?
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 18, 2022 15:46:20 GMT -5
How about an HC record setting WNBA draftee?!
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2022 15:53:36 GMT -5
How about an HC record setting WNBA draftee?! Lauren Manis I presume. Fine with me but I'm not as up on the older players, many of whom were multiple league champions. Should there be a five year waiting period? Avery only had three and a half years which lowers her places on the lists of career leaders, but her impact on a team of unheralded role players was outsized imo.
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