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Post by mm67 on Dec 11, 2022 18:16:18 GMT -5
I thought HC was a liberal arts college offering solely undergraduate education. Or, are you guys proposing changing the academic profile/philsophy of the college to benefit the football team. Huh? The tail wagging the dog? Peace.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 11, 2022 18:23:10 GMT -5
Fordham is currently following the rules. If they choose to again unilaterally break them to add non-medical redshirts and the league again soon follows suit, it will put HC in an awkward position. With no graduate programs HC is at a long-term disadvantage. We can't accept grad transfers and all fifth year players have to stall their natural academic/professional progression by eight months or so at a minimum.Short-term the enthusiasm Chesney has built overpowers that long-term systemic disadvantage. As they (about 15 of them) did this year in order to compete as 5th-years. Which leveled the playing field and enabled us to seriously compete for a national championship.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 11, 2022 18:34:22 GMT -5
I thought HC was a liberal arts college offering solely undergraduate education. Or, are you guys proposing changing the academic profile/philsophy of the college to benefit the football team. Huh? The tail wagging the dog? Peace. Adding a grad school for athletic purposes would of course be absurd. I do however, as do many other reasonable alum, believe that allowing non-medical redshirts would indeed make football more competitive without compromising academic integrity at Holy Cross.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 11, 2022 18:35:19 GMT -5
It’s probably an entire thread, but why don’t schools like HC offer graduate programs? Because we're a proud liberal arts COLLEGE.
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Post by cmo on Dec 11, 2022 18:37:15 GMT -5
I thought HC was a liberal arts college offering solely undergraduate education. Or, are you guys proposing changing the academic profile/philsophy of the college to benefit the football team. Huh? The tail wagging the dog? Peace. Thinking all schools. A lot of infrastructure is there already. What is the reason to not have it? Seems like an easy revenue generator.
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Post by cmo on Dec 11, 2022 18:40:12 GMT -5
It’s probably an entire thread, but why don’t schools like HC offer graduate programs? Because we're a proud liberal arts COLLEGE. Which makes getting a graduate degree more appealing. Seems we could offer a greet MBA. But, to my original question, is there a reason we can’t ?
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 11, 2022 19:04:26 GMT -5
cmo The short answer to your question is “No”. In fact,IIRC, during my years on Mt. St. James (‘66-‘70), I believe there was a grad program in chemistry.
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Post by cmo on Dec 11, 2022 19:07:46 GMT -5
And I think we did away with the 5 year program we had with WPI. Maybe it was a 3 and 2 program?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 11, 2022 19:15:18 GMT -5
Fordham is currently following the rules. If they choose to again unilaterally break them to add non-medical redshirts and the league again soon follows suit, it will put HC in an awkward position. With no graduate programs HC is at a long-term disadvantage. We can't accept grad transfers and all fifth year players have to stall their natural academic/professional progression by eight months or so at a minimum.Short-term the enthusiasm Chesney has built overpowers that long-term systemic disadvantage. As they (about 15 of them) did this year in order to compete as 5th-years. Which leveled the playing field and enabled us to seriously compete for a national championship. A one semester fall sport is conducive to a fifth year. The option is more attractive the better the player is and the program is where a possible pro opportunity can be enhanced for the player and championship/post season opportunities enhanced for the team. It makes less sense for an average player on a losing team.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 11, 2022 19:55:42 GMT -5
Holy Cross had a small graduate program in chemistry. A purpose of the program was to have those enrolled in the program oversee the chemistry labs.
Holy Cross also once offered a B.S. in Business Administration, with several areas of concentration.
The decision to turn HC into an exclusively liberal arts, four year undergraduate institution was made at a time: (1) when BC teetered on a liquidating bankruptcy, with Harvard eying BC's campus. BC needed to be salvaged. (2) when the number of males at HC was being cut by half, with the advent of co-education. (3) that coincided with the end of Catholic high schools requiring their graduates to attend a Catholic college/university [??] (or how Fauci wound up at HC, and not Harvard)
Bucknell and Colgate have small graduate programs. These are so specialized that they probably would not attract fifth year football players. I believe HC and Lafayette are the only PL schools without a graduate program of some sort. (USMA and USNA Master's programs are offered at other schools.)
The two impediments, IMO, are: (1) cost. One has to hire additional professors. (2) prospective student interest if the degree(s) offered are too narrow in scope.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2022 19:55:54 GMT -5
I thought HC was a liberal arts college offering solely undergraduate education. Or, are you guys proposing changing the academic profile/philsophy of the college to benefit the football team. Huh? The tail wagging the dog? Peace. I responded to it as what options does Hc have to offer a graduate program that does so within the mission of me and women for all. Peace
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2022 19:59:55 GMT -5
The four year/ eight semester undergraduate program doesn't need to change if we are to remain pure. For example all returning seniors take an academic semester off this winter and return for the fall- we likely have seven-eleven players ready to go depending on December 21signings
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 11, 2022 20:10:03 GMT -5
The decision to turn HC into an exclusively liberal arts, four year undergraduate institution was made at a time: (1) when BC teetered on a liquidating bankruptcy, with Harvard eying BC's campus. BC needed to be salvaged. (2) when the number of males at HC was being cut by half, with the advent of co-education. (3) that coincided with the end of Catholic high schools requiring their graduates to attend a Catholic college/university [??] (or how Fauci wound up at HC, and not Harvard) Was this a regional thing? While this was before my time, I recall older graduates of my Jesuit high school here in Dallas having attended Texas, SMU, Oklahoma, etc.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 11, 2022 20:47:45 GMT -5
The decision to turn HC into an exclusively liberal arts, four year undergraduate institution was made at a time: (1) when BC teetered on a liquidating bankruptcy, with Harvard eying BC's campus. BC needed to be salvaged. (2) when the number of males at HC was being cut by half, with the advent of co-education. (3) that coincided with the end of Catholic high schools requiring their graduates to attend a Catholic college/university [??] (or how Fauci wound up at HC, and not Harvard) Was this a regional thing? While this was before my time, I recall older graduates of my Jesuit high school here in Dallas having attended Texas, SMU, Oklahoma, etc. It existed in the 1960s. According to Fauci himself, no graduate of Regis HS (Fauci's school) could apply to a non-Catholic institution. There were other Catholic high schools that allowed students to apply, but would not give a recommendation. I have heard that one could apply and receive a recommendation, or maybe just apply, if the degree you intended to pursue was not offered by a Catholic university. I also believe that these policies did not apply to (probably very few) non-Catholics matriculating at a Catholic high school. I also do not know if these restrictive admissions-related policies applied to Catholic high school students applying to a public university. You have to realize Holy Cross did not admit non-Catholics until 1941 or 1942, and only did so then because the Federal government made them change.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 11, 2022 20:53:30 GMT -5
In 1962 at (Jesuit) Brooklyn Prep, highly recruited football player John Dockery applied to Harvard with school’s approval, was admitted and attended where he starred in football and baseball. (He later played on the Jets Super Bowl champs in 1969.) In 1963 basketball player Jack Dema went to Columbia.
Dr. Fauci graduated from Regis in the 50s.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 12, 2022 9:33:02 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2022 10:57:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised that Lehigh hasn't figured out their head coaching situation yet.
Based on Gilmore announcing his "resignation" right after the Lafayette game, it's pretty clear the decision was made to move on from FHCTG sometime in October. One would think Lehigh would have a good idea who they'd want to hire. Unless the coach they are planning to hire is still coaching or their team recently was eliminated from the D2 / D3 playoffs?
Early signing day is right around the corner...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2022 11:11:11 GMT -5
Hey man I know you didn't mean it like that, but this post comes off as tone deaf relative to what Leach's family is dealing with right now.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 12, 2022 11:29:37 GMT -5
Hey man I know you didn't mean it like that, but this post comes off as tone deaf relative to what Leach's family is dealing with right now. I’m a big fan of Leach. My hope is that he comes out of it ok. Reports are it doesn’t look good. Sorry if you took it otherwise.
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 12, 2022 11:43:30 GMT -5
I always love the honest comments from Leach and get a kick out of some of his off-topic comments. I share the thoughts of many in praying for him. I have a friend from high school who is an Ole Miss alum (why I kid from Massachusetts who wasn't going to play varsity sports in college chose Ole Miss, I'm not sure, but he did spend time at the Grove on a visit in high school) who was very upset when Miss State hired Leach because he turned around Washington State and had a good amount of success at Texas Tech. Lot of respect and love for Leach across the country. A local paper reported that he had a massive heart attack and had to be brought back by EMT's. Hoping he pulls through. www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/2022/12/12/mike-leach-heart-attack-mississippi-state-football-coach/69720334007/
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2022 12:02:50 GMT -5
I also pray that ode pulls through this. From all I have heard he seems like a fine man.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2022 16:21:23 GMT -5
If UB does need to fill their OC position, this would be interesting. The HC offense did look really good against UB.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2022 17:03:44 GMT -5
Not liking this as an option
The kids love this guy
Double the salaries with paid extensions of all the coaches now- he would be an enormous loss
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 12, 2022 17:20:22 GMT -5
Does anyone have a reasonable guess at what our assistant coaches get paid?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2022 17:56:08 GMT -5
Less than an average of $80k would be my guess
Get them to $150k Chesney to $750k IMHO if this happens We will hold them until they get offered a head job at 1AA, or OC/DC at 1A, and Chesney until the right opportunity presents itself
And we make a great program for future coaches- much like the craddle of coaches leading the Miami University, from my sort of home state of Ohio
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