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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 21, 2022 11:50:23 GMT -5
I'm amazed there has not been a word about the role of Micky Mantle in the Maris record. They were back and forth all season, but IIRC an injury to the Mick late in the season had him sidelined for a bit setting the stage for Maris. I had been rooting for Mantle, bu was thrilled to see Maris take the crown when Mantle couldn't. I wonder how much having Mantle in there helped Maris get 61. I wasn't alive so interested to know thoughts... I would have guessed the opposite. Mantle was already a Yankee legend/beloved, so the fans were probably hoping he'd get the crown and NOT Maris. Wasn't Maris' hair falling out and there was intense pressure and angst on him? Once Mantle goes down and he's no longer an option, I still wonder how many fans would rather Maris breath Ruth's record rather than the baton being grabbed by Mantle, even if it meant a Yankee still held the title. Yeah, this is how I've always heard the story as well, including in the 61* movie that Billy Crystal did. Maris went through a lot of the same type of BS that newer Yankees go through today -- the whole "not a TRUE Yankee" narrative that was only made worse because it was a beloved Yankee's record that they were chasing, and most wanted another beloved Yankee to be the one to break it rather than the outsider. And in true NY fan fashion, they made life miserable for their own player rather than helping to lift him up.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 21, 2022 12:02:39 GMT -5
Sadly, that is pretty much the way it was. They were not the only NY team to do that. It ranks up there with the terrible treatment Tom Seaver got from the Mets. If the current ownership wants to avoid yet another black eye, they will resign Judge and the Mets will resign DeGrom. But, I am afraid that is simply wishful thinking.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Sept 21, 2022 15:59:50 GMT -5
WAR Season to date #1= 9.7 Judge #2= 8.8 OhtaniOhtani's WAR as a hitter is 3.5 (down from 4.9 in 2021), and as a pitcher 5.3 (up from 4.1). He has a 148 OPS+ and a 165 ERA+ (top five or so in MLB).
At age 27, he may be at or approaching peak performance. I think the conventional wisdom was that he'd stop pitching first. But all of his pitching numbers have improved this season - including an MLB-best 11.9 K/9 - while he's ticked down a notch at the plate.
Whatever the case, he may be doing this kind of stuff for awhile, so maybe they can figure out a way to recognize what we've never seen before.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 21, 2022 21:27:18 GMT -5
Maybe they can create a Gordie Lockbaum award for the best two-way player in MLB.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 22, 2022 5:37:02 GMT -5
Good one, 92!
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Post by HC92 on Sept 22, 2022 10:32:48 GMT -5
The batting average race which will decide whether Judge wins the triple crown could not be much closer. Adds some additional intrigue to this weekend’s games.
Judge 169/533 = .31707 Bogaerts 164/518 = .31660
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Post by HC92 on Sept 23, 2022 7:57:20 GMT -5
Judge was within a couple of feet of a walk off for #61 in the bottom of the 9th last night. He was 0-2 with 3 walks. Here’s the batting average race:
Judge 169/535 = .31589 Bogaerts 164/523 =.31358 Arraez 161/515 = .31262
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 23, 2022 9:17:43 GMT -5
Judge was within a couple of feet of a walk off for #61 in the bottom of the 9th last night. He was 0-2 with 3 walks. Here’s the batting average race: Judge 169/535 = .31589 Bogaerts 164/523 =.31358 Arraez 161/515 = .31262 The most fascinating thing about that flyout last night wasn't that it was the hardest and furthest hit ball in a game that had three actual home runs. It's that somehow John Stirling was the only person in the ballpark to not lose his mind as soon as it was hit.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 23, 2022 10:08:15 GMT -5
Judge was within a couple of feet of a walk off for #61 in the bottom of the 9th last night. He was 0-2 with 3 walks. Here’s the batting average race: Judge 169/535 = .31589 Bogaerts 164/523 =.31358 Arraez 161/515 = .31262 The most fascinating thing about that flyout last night wasn't that it was the hardest and furthest hit ball in a game that had three actual home runs. It's that somehow John Stirling was the only person in the ballpark to not lose his mind as soon as it was hit. Funny. I was wondering how he called it.
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 23, 2022 11:35:53 GMT -5
The most fascinating thing about that flyout last night wasn't that it was the hardest and furthest hit ball in a game that had three actual home runs. It's that somehow John Stirling was the only person in the ballpark to not lose his mind as soon as it was hit. Funny. I was wondering how he called it. Compared to the Fox crew:
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Post by beaven302 on Sept 23, 2022 12:22:09 GMT -5
Sadly, that is pretty much the way it was. They were not the only NY team to do that. It ranks up there with the terrible treatment Tom Seaver got from the Mets. If the current ownership wants to avoid yet another black eye, they will resign Judge and the Mets will resign DeGrom. But, I am afraid that is simply wishful thinking. I'd like to be more optimistic. The penny-pinching Wilpons are gone from Citi Field and M. Donald Grant, who traded Tom Seaver to the Reds, has been dead since 1998.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 23, 2022 13:06:12 GMT -5
Sure, but what if both DeGrom and Judge simply want to play elsewhere and it is not about money?
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Post by clmetsfan on Sept 23, 2022 13:25:27 GMT -5
Sure, but what if both DeGrom and Judge simply want to play elsewhere and it is not about money? Both guys are treated as borderline gods in New York. The odds of either playing elsewhere for something other than money seem astronomically small.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 23, 2022 14:18:11 GMT -5
Would be very surprised if either guy left for less money. Unless their wife tells them to.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 23, 2022 14:36:02 GMT -5
DeGrom has gotten paid, but Judge hasn't.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 23, 2022 14:45:18 GMT -5
Judge turned down 370 million dollars. I think he can get 400 million somewhere if not with the Yanks. DeGrom has said he will test the free agent market and he may be tired of all those games with no run support. In short, who knows?
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Post by possum on Sept 23, 2022 16:16:19 GMT -5
Think the offer Judge turned down was $213 million over 7 years, was looking for $360 million over 10 years.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 23, 2022 16:22:37 GMT -5
Still hard to believe this might be about money.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 23, 2022 18:22:14 GMT -5
The DeGroms might not even have to move for him to (1) make a lot more $$$ and (2) get a lot more run support
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Post by HC92 on Sept 24, 2022 7:34:42 GMT -5
I love Judge and the Yankees pretty much have to pay him at this point but he’s 30, has had a lot of injuries over the years and is a giant of a man whose body is likely to break down more quickly than a normal size person. Whoever signs him is going to have a rough 3-5 years at the end of that contract paying $40M per year for production worth a lot less than that.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2022 7:36:47 GMT -5
I am sure that is just what the Yankees thought (or are thinking). Now they need to ask, just how they will fill the seats that will be unsold if he should go elsewhere.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 24, 2022 7:42:36 GMT -5
If Judge leaves it's because he wants to play somewhere else, not because of money. They Yankees will open the vault for him; they have to.
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Post by Tom on Sept 24, 2022 7:50:47 GMT -5
Since MLB now charges extra to watch Friday night baseball (over and above what we pay for NESN or YES) and you missed it, Judge went 1 for 4 without a home run. Still in the BA lead as Bogaerts DNP and Arraez went 1 for 5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Sept 24, 2022 21:23:37 GMT -5
I love Judge and the Yankees pretty much have to pay him at this point but he’s 30, has had a lot of injuries over the years and is a giant of a man whose body is likely to break down more quickly than a normal size person. Whoever signs him is going to have a rough 3-5 years at the end of that contract paying $40M per year for production worth a lot less than that. The one thing I've noticed about very tall hitters (6'6"+) is that it seems they are more susceptible to their bat speed slowing down significantly they hit age 33 or 34. This happened to Richie Sexson, Tony Clark and Derrek Lee. Granted, Judge appears to be an absolutely exceptional athlete for his size. He is officially listed as the heaviest player ever to play CF in MLB history, and he's at least league average at that position IMO. Obviously, he's GG caliber in right.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 28, 2022 7:59:21 GMT -5
Good Morning:
The Yankees are the best.
The Red Sox are the worst.
Enjoy your Wednesday.
Sincerely,
Smug
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