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Post by efg72 on Feb 21, 2023 20:01:52 GMT -5
I know Batch played for the Magic and isn't Nugent a member of the Magic as well. I think HCBN, if he survives, might be wise to focus on more local kids. They may be more loyal and thus be more open to the culture he is trying to build. Kids talk; and the fact that Happy is showing interest is encouraging. BTW, if HC makes the quarters, BN will be around for another year. Considering what he had with transfers and injuries, a run in the tourney will buy him another year, imo. One and done, I don’t think so. Cause and effect enough is enough I have seen the movie before and the ending stinks T minus four hours before a spiritual break wishing all posters and families a very special Lenten season May Crusaders everywhere receive the blessings from our Heavenly Father!
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Post by sader81 on Feb 21, 2023 20:24:17 GMT -5
Me too. Not what I wish for, just the reality. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2023 20:26:52 GMT -5
I know Batch played for the Magic and isn't Nugent a member of the Magic as well. I think HCBN, if he survives, might be wise to focus on more local kids. They may be more loyal and thus be more open to the culture he is trying to build. Kids talk; and the fact that Happy is showing interest is encouraging. BTW, if HC makes the quarters, BN will be around for another year. Considering what he had with transfers and injuries, a run in the tourney will buy him another year, imo. One and done, I don’t think so. “Considering what he had with transfers…” Might Nelson bear any responsibility for any transfer, or quitter ? He is responsible for the roster. What does your last sentence even mean ? This is fourth year.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2023 20:28:02 GMT -5
Me too. Not what I wish for, just the reality. Don’t shoot the messenger. Is Nelson the messenger ?
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Post by sader81 on Feb 22, 2023 5:46:45 GMT -5
I think HCBN, if he survives, might be wise to focus on more local kids. They may be more loyal and thus be more open to the culture he is trying to build. Kids talk; and the fact that Happy is showing interest is encouraging. BTW, if HC makes the quarters, BN will be around for another year. Considering what he had with transfers and injuries, a run in the tourney will buy him another year, imo. One and done, I don’t think so. “Considering what he had with transfers…” Might Nelson bear any responsibility for any transfer, or quitter ? He is responsible for the roster. What does your last sentence even mean ? This is fourth year. Nelson may bear responsibility for the transfers, but the fact is we don’t know why any of the guys left. No question it looks bad to have so many leave. But is it because of Nelson, or just the new normal with the portal making it awfully easy to leave, especially when your team is losing. Winning cures most all ills. I was surprised Nelson survived after the dismal performance in the Bronx. But since, the team has shown some improvement. Is it enough to get another year - probably not.
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Post by Tom on Feb 22, 2023 8:39:57 GMT -5
I know Batch played for the Magic and isn't Nugent a member of the Magic as well. I think HCBN, if he survives, might be wise to focus on more local kids. They may be more loyal and thus be more open to the culture he is trying to build. Kids talk; and the fact that Happy is showing interest is encouraging. BTW, if HC makes the quarters, BN will be around for another year. Considering what he had with transfers and injuries, a run in the tourney will buy him another year, imo. One and done, I don’t think so. Martindale, Rabinovich, Luc, Batch, and Nugent are all MA kids. and Reilly was a New Englander. I think Coach Nelson is keeping a local eye out --------------------------- In my opinion, if HC wins tonight, they have a reasonable shot at a 6 seed, There is a realistic chance for HC to make the quarters and still be a one and done
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Post by timholycross on Feb 22, 2023 8:48:27 GMT -5
I don't think beating Loyola or Bucknell saves his job.
I think it's reasonable, although I don't agree with it; that he gets retained if the team advances one or two rounds past that.
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Post by classof83 on Feb 22, 2023 8:59:55 GMT -5
If BN truly has 1 year left on his contract, then it seems to me, that if HC keeps him, he needs to have his contract extended - maybe only another year - but how does he go out and recruit with 1 year left on his contract being a lame duck coach.
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Post by Tom on Feb 22, 2023 9:08:25 GMT -5
That is a common theory. Nugent and Singleton still signed on
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Post by hc17 on Feb 22, 2023 9:08:50 GMT -5
It's been 4 years...I defended him for the first 2.5 - 3 years. If he is retained, it's says a whole lot more about the School's priorities than anything else. Bring a new coach through the door, give them a chance to be competitive with some of these veteran guys (if they don't leave) in year one. Get saavy on the recruiting trail & portal...Let's get this thing rolling again...please.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 22, 2023 9:10:37 GMT -5
It's been 4 years...I defended him for the first 2.5 - 3 years. If he is retained, it's says a whole lot more about the School's priorities than anything else. Bring a new coach through the door, give them a chance to be competitive with some of these veteran guys (if they don't leave) in year one. Get saavy on the recruiting trail & portal...Let's get this thing rolling again...please. Exactly
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Post by mm67 on Feb 22, 2023 9:20:13 GMT -5
Just asking--- Is it possible that as this is Coach Nelson's first gig as a head coach he may have needed time & experience to learn his craft? Is he the same now as he was when he started? Has he shown growth? Is he a better coach? Different words to express the same thoughts... There are successful head coaches who have had a terrible start to their head coaching careers and developed into fine coaches. Could BN be one of these coaches? As an alum I tend to be impatient but patience is a virtue and sometimes pays off. Please understand this comment is not a thinly disguised call for BN's retention. Should the school let him finish out his contract or let him go is a choice I am not qualified to make.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 22, 2023 9:26:48 GMT -5
If BN truly has 1 year left on his contract, then it seems to me, that if HC keeps him, he needs to have his contract extended - maybe only another year - but how does he go out and recruit with 1 year left on his contract being a lame duck coach. I mentioned that a couple weeks ago. Seems like a Catch 22 if he's kept around.
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Post by hc17 on Feb 22, 2023 9:39:35 GMT -5
Just asking--- Is it possible that as this is Coach Nelson's first gig as a head coach he may have needed time & experience to learn his craft? Is he the same now as he was when he started? Has he shown growth? Is he a better coach? Different words to express the same thoughts... There are successful head coaches who have had a terrible start to their head coaching careers and developed into fine coaches. Could BN be one of these coaches? As an alum I tend to be impatient but patience is a virtue and sometimes pays off. Please understand this comment is not a thinly disguised call for BN's retention. Should the school let him finish out his contract or let him go is a choice I am not qualified to make. There is a chance that he needs time, but there has been little substance to his tenure. At the end of the day, we need to ask "What is best for Holy Cross Basketball" in the short & long term. I think the answer is pretty clear at this stage. There will be 'interest' in the job & personally, I hope that Kit has been networking a bit behind the scenes. Let's go into the offseason (whenever it comes) with swift action and momentum.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 22, 2023 9:57:01 GMT -5
Just asking--- Is it possible that as this is Coach Nelson's first gig as a head coach he may have needed time & experience to learn his craft? Is he the same now as he was when he started? Has he shown growth? Is he a better coach? Different words to express the same thoughts... There are successful head coaches who have had a terrible start to their head coaching careers and developed into fine coaches. Could BN be one of these coaches? As an alum I tend to be impatient but patience is a virtue and sometimes pays off. Please understand this comment is not a thinly disguised call for BN's retention. Should the school let him finish out his contract or let him go is a choice I am not qualified to make. To quote a former poster: "YEAR NINE?" There has not been enough progress to think that Nelson is going to figure this thing out. He has not shown an ability to retain talent, to beat good teams, to win in the non-conference (through three seasons with non-conference games, he doesn't have one road win), to develop big men...the list goes on. I think some are wishfully hoping that the smattering of wins against teams in the bottom half of the PL are a harbinger of things to come. I'm not buying it.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 22, 2023 10:00:06 GMT -5
Just asking--- Is it possible that as this is Coach Nelson's first gig as a head coach he may have needed time & experience to learn his craft? Is he the same now as he was when he started? Has he shown growth? Is he a better coach? Different words to express the same thoughts... There are successful head coaches who have had a terrible start to their head coaching careers and developed into fine coaches. Could BN be one of these coaches? As an alum I tend to be impatient but patience is a virtue and sometimes pays off. Please understand this comment is not a thinly disguised call for BN's retention. Should the school let him finish out his contract or let him go is a choice I am not qualified to make. To quote a former poster: "YEAR NINE?" There has not been enough progress to think that Nelson is going to figure this thing out. He has not shown an ability to retain talent, to beat good teams, to win in the non-conference (through three seasons with non-conference games, he doesn't have one road win), to develop big men...the list goes on. I think some are wishfully hoping that the smattering of wins against teams in the bottom half of the PL are a harbinger of things to come. I'm not buying it. 100%
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 22, 2023 10:18:21 GMT -5
All I can say, based on what I heard this morning, is that Brett Nelson should thank God that he is at HC and not a place like Bryant, for example.
On the Boomer and Gio program today on WFAN in NY they played an audio clip of Head Coach Jared Grasso explaining the abuse that he and his family get on social media. He said that his wife and children have been "threatened" several times with pictures of his children posted.
This is a coach who took Bryant to the NCAAs last season and is 16-10 this year with a win over Syracuse.
But the fans are not happy and, apparently, some are quite vocal in their abuse.
Can you imagine what their reaction would be to Nelson's performance to date?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 22, 2023 10:41:26 GMT -5
A sad commentary
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 22, 2023 11:37:55 GMT -5
All I can say, based on what I heard this morning, is that Brett Nelson should thank God that he is at HC and not a place like Bryant, for example. On the Boomer and Gio program today on WFAN in NY they played an audio clip of Head Coach Jared Grasso explaining the abuse that he and his family get on social media. He said that his wife and children have been "threatened" several times with pictures of his children posted. This is a coach who took Bryant to the NCAAs last season and is 16-10 this year with a win over Syracuse. But the fans are not happy and, apparently, some are quite vocal in their abuse. Can you imagine what their reaction would be to Nelson's performance to date? My guess is that it's not Bryant fans, but angry bettors. This is a really good point he makes:
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Post by mm67 on Feb 22, 2023 12:20:35 GMT -5
Just asking--- Is it possible that as this is Coach Nelson's first gig as a head coach he may have needed time & experience to learn his craft? Is he the same now as he was when he started? Has he shown growth? Is he a better coach? Different words to express the same thoughts... There are successful head coaches who have had a terrible start to their head coaching careers and developed into fine coaches. Could BN be one of these coaches? As an alum I tend to be impatient but patience is a virtue and sometimes pays off. Please understand this comment is not a thinly disguised call for BN's retention. Should the school let him finish out his contract or let him go is a choice I am not qualified to make.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 22, 2023 12:24:51 GMT -5
I just don't know how CBN is going to be able to convince Kit that he will be able to replace GG next year...I mean, "well we've got 2 big pieces coming back from injury" just isn't going to cut it. Perhaps he would be in a better spot if Joe Nugent was 6-9 and not 6-5. Having a huge group with the ability to leave after next year probably doesn't help his chances either (unless Kit is really, really sold on him, and does give him an extension).
I am still trying to keep all this separate from the current group of 8 - I would love to see them surprise people and make a run.
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Post by Tom on Feb 22, 2023 12:32:33 GMT -5
Probably not fair on my part, but between Bryant behavior at HC football game and last season's Wagner basketball game, I question the culture of that whole Bryant athletic department
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Post by hc17 on Feb 22, 2023 12:46:20 GMT -5
I just don't know how CBN is going to be able to convince Kit that he will be able to replace GG next year...I mean, "well we've got 2 big pieces coming back from injury" just isn't going to cut it. Perhaps he would be in a better spot if Joe Nugent was 6-9 and not 6-5. Having a huge group with the ability to leave after next year probably doesn't help his chances either (unless Kit is really, really sold on him, and does give him an extension). I am still trying to keep all this separate from the current group of 8 - I would love to see them surprise people and make a run. The only argument that BN can make is that the team has improved W/L each year. Don't think it's a strong enough argument based on results and everything around the program. It'll be challenging, but priority number one is to keep Montgomery, Batchelder and Octave in the fold for next season & beyond. That will give us multiple double-digit scorers and decent foundation for a new coach.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 22, 2023 12:53:59 GMT -5
Duke’s Scheyer on his new philosophy of recruiting
When pressed, he quickly and easily rattles off three characteristics — a true love for the game that manifests itself in extra work; a self-belief that helps one accept criticism and recognize that, as good as a player might be, he always has room to get better; and being a winner, and having a game that translates into winning basketball.
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Post by Tom on Feb 22, 2023 13:00:31 GMT -5
I just don't know how CBN is going to be able to convince Kit that he will be able to replace GG next year...I mean, "well we've got 2 big pieces coming back from injury" just isn't going to cut it. Perhaps he would be in a better spot if Joe Nugent was 6-9 and not 6-5. Having a huge group with the ability to leave after next year probably doesn't help his chances either (unless Kit is really, really sold on him, and does give him an extension). I am still trying to keep all this separate from the current group of 8 - I would love to see them surprise people and make a run. The only argument that BN can make is that the team has improved W/L each year. Don't think it's a strong enough argument based on results and everything around the program. It'll be challenging, but priority number one is to keep Montgomery, Batchelder and Octave in the fold for next season & beyond. That will give us multiple double-digit scorers and decent foundation for a new coach. I agree keeping the top 3 scorers in the fold is priority number one no matter who the coach is. Octave should be the easiest of the three. Having transferred once, if he chooses to leave he will be sitting a year. He (and Bo) are juniors but courtesy of COVID still have two years of eligibility left. Losing that free transfer didn't slow down Wilbar
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