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Post by hchoops on Oct 11, 2022 8:49:58 GMT -5
Ok, here is my wacky idea for the day (and I bet you didn't see this Saturday, DiMarz): when it's time for GG to get a rest, put this lineup in: Bo, Dorsey, Kenney, Lewis and Wilbeck. Then, on defense, try a 2-3 zone, with Bo and Dorsey out front, and Kenney, Wilbeck and Lewis in the back. Just for kicks, nothing more. You can get some real length out there, all over the floor (with some decent mobility, I think). You've got some size; how else can you maximize it? Might not even be that bad offensively. Something different, anything different. Wilbeck ? A new transfer ? NAD, you have to keep us informed when you have these scoops .
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Post by hc17 on Oct 11, 2022 9:36:47 GMT -5
Positive spin on the Open Practice - Nelson is tweaking defensive scheme to account for his length & size. Hopefully, that leads to better rim protection / rebounding. Seems that Nelson is giving Batchelder the freedom to shoot whenever. I'm hoping that creates some space for the big fellas down low (ie. Gates, Louth) to go to work. Bo, Dorsey and Octave need to make real positive impacts on the wing this coming season.
On a side note, when was the last time we had this many upperclassmen projected to play this many impactful minutes?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 11, 2022 9:56:06 GMT -5
Positive spin on the Open Practice - Nelson is tweaking defensive scheme to account for his length & size. Hopefully, that leads to better rim protection / rebounding. Seems that Nelson is giving Batchelder the freedom to shoot whenever. I'm hoping that creates some space for the big fellas down low (ie. Gates, Louth) to go to work. Bo, Dorsey and Octave need to make real positive impacts on the wing this coming season. On a side note, when was the last time we had this many upperclassmen projected to play this many impactful minutes? Perhaps the 2016 team with Champion, Alexander, etc ?
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Post by hc17 on Oct 11, 2022 10:15:44 GMT -5
Positive spin on the Open Practice - Nelson is tweaking defensive scheme to account for his length & size. Hopefully, that leads to better rim protection / rebounding. Seems that Nelson is giving Batchelder the freedom to shoot whenever. I'm hoping that creates some space for the big fellas down low (ie. Gates, Louth) to go to work. Bo, Dorsey and Octave need to make real positive impacts on the wing this coming season. On a side note, when was the last time we had this many upperclassmen projected to play this many impactful minutes? Perhaps the 2016 team with Champion, Alexander, etc ? That's probably the last one. Whether it's his fault or not, Nelson hasn't had the benefit of a veteran roster during his tenure. The transfers and losing have frustrated all of us, but if this team is poised for a leap (aren't we due after-all?), its this year. If they don't, we know what will happen.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 11, 2022 10:20:03 GMT -5
Positive spin on the Open Practice - Nelson is tweaking defensive scheme to account for his length & size. Hopefully, that leads to better rim protection / rebounding. Seems that Nelson is giving Batchelder the freedom to shoot whenever. I'm hoping that creates some space for the big fellas down low (ie. Gates, Louth) to go to work. Bo, Dorsey and Octave need to make real positive impacts on the wing this coming season. On a side note, when was the last time we had this many upperclassmen projected to play this many impactful minutes? Perhaps the 2016 team with Champion, Alexander, etc ? Your instincts, per usual, are spot on. I checked Ken Pomeroy's site which tracks "experience" for each team. I think it is based on the number of minutes for each player and his years of experience. HC averaged 2.21 years of experience which was # 16 in division-1 . The four seniors were Champion (80% of minutes), Alexander (86%), Husek (47%), Thompson (83%)
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 11, 2022 11:16:08 GMT -5
Ok, here is my wacky idea for the day (and I bet you didn't see this Saturday, DiMarz): when it's time for GG to get a rest, put this lineup in: Bo, Dorsey, Kenney, Lewis and Wilbeck. Then, on defense, try a 2-3 zone, with Bo and Dorsey out front, and Kenney, Wilbeck and Lewis in the back. Just for kicks, nothing more. You can get some real length out there, all over the floor (with some decent mobility, I think). You've got some size; how else can you maximize it? Might not even be that bad offensively. Something different, anything different. Wilbeck ? A new transfer ? NAD, you have to keep us informed when you have these scoops . It took me a moment to figure this out! Ok, I think I will go with either Simon or SW going forward....I could see myself doing this again!
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Post by Tom on Oct 11, 2022 11:36:46 GMT -5
On a side note, when was the last time we had this many upperclassmen projected to play this many impactful minutes? I think that is supposed to be the norm. However, between unbalanced classes and higher than average number of transfers it has seemed the opposite lately at HC
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Post by Tom on Oct 11, 2022 11:45:11 GMT -5
Positive spin on the Open Practice - Nelson is tweaking defensive scheme to account for his length & size. Hopefully, that leads to better rim protection / rebounding. Seems that Nelson is giving Batchelder the freedom to shoot whenever. I'm hoping that creates some space for the big fellas down low (ie. Gates, Louth) to go to work. Bo, Dorsey and Octave need to make real positive impacts on the wing this coming season. On a side note, when was the last time we had this many upperclassmen projected to play this many impactful minutes? Perhaps the 2016 team with Champion, Alexander, etc ? Not a bad bet. In the top 8 minutes played that season, 6 were upperclassmen. (Charles and Zignorski being the two underclassmen. Pretty safe bet that Kenney and Batchelder will be in the top 8 for minutes played. I don't think Lewis will be playing big minutes. That really only leaves Kirkwood and I have no clue where he will come in on the depth chart
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 11, 2022 17:58:14 GMT -5
Ok, here is my wacky idea for the day (and I bet you didn't see this Saturday, DiMarz): when it's time for GG to get a rest, put this lineup in: Bo, Dorsey, Kenney, Lewis and Wilbeck. Then, on defense, try a 2-3 zone, with Bo and Dorsey out front, and Kenney, Wilbeck and Lewis in the back. Just for kicks, nothing more. You can get some real length out there, all over the floor (with some decent mobility, I think). You've got some size; how else can you maximize it? Might not even be that bad offensively. Something different, anything different. They did use a group for a short while that was very similar..Trying to remember the group, Bo, Dorsey, Batch, Keney and Gates I think...I remember thinking that was a small team, and might be a team to use against a small quick team....
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Post by hchoops on Oct 11, 2022 18:03:04 GMT -5
Ok, here is my wacky idea for the day (and I bet you didn't see this Saturday, DiMarz): when it's time for GG to get a rest, put this lineup in: Bo, Dorsey, Kenney, Lewis and Wilbeck. Then, on defense, try a 2-3 zone, with Bo and Dorsey out front, and Kenney, Wilbeck and Lewis in the back. Just for kicks, nothing more. You can get some real length out there, all over the floor (with some decent mobility, I think). You've got some size; how else can you maximize it? Might not even be that bad offensively. Something different, anything different. They did use a group for a short while that was very similar..Trying to remember the group, Bo, Dorsey, Batch, Keney and Gates I think...I remember thinking that was a small team, and might be a team to use against a small quick team.... I would not be surprised if Gerrale and Kenney play the 4-5 in many / most lineups, You might Octave there more than Dorsey.
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Post by Tom on Oct 12, 2022 7:23:31 GMT -5
Ok, here is my wacky idea for the day (and I bet you didn't see this Saturday, DiMarz): when it's time for GG to get a rest, put this lineup in: Bo, Dorsey, Kenney, Lewis and Wilbeck. Then, on defense, try a 2-3 zone, with Bo and Dorsey out front, and Kenney, Wilbeck and Lewis in the back. Just for kicks, nothing more. You can get some real length out there, all over the floor (with some decent mobility, I think). You've got some size; how else can you maximize it? Might not even be that bad offensively. Something different, anything different. They did use a group for a short while that was very similar..Trying to remember the group, Bo, Dorsey, Batch, Keney and Gates I think...I remember thinking that was a small team, and might be a team to use against a small quick team.... Towards the end of practice they had a couple of simulated games. Batch, Octave, Dorsey, Gates, Coulibaly, and a little bit of Lewis vs Tse, Bo, Kirkwood, Kenney, Wilbar, and Rabinovich in the first game. In the second simulated game (which DiMarz referenced), Octave and Gates were traded for Bo and Kenney. So it was the group listed above but Coulibaly instead of Gates
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2022 7:38:37 GMT -5
Tomorrow is the open practice for season ticket holders. I predict no one will be checking credentials to make sure attendees actually have season tickets.
Not a ton of people showed up for the first one. Some of the crowd looked like students. Judging from post practice reactions, some players' family as well
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Post by HC92 on Oct 14, 2022 7:47:14 GMT -5
Tomorrow is the open practice for season ticket holders. I predict no one will be checking credentials to make sure attendees actually have season tickets. Not a ton of people showed up for the first one. Some of the crowd looked like students. Judging from post practice reactions, some players' family as well There are no restrictions about who can attend tomorrow other than being an HC fan.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2022 8:54:10 GMT -5
I am glad all fans can attend. I guess we avoided shooting ourselves in the foot (again). ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by hc17 on Oct 15, 2022 12:41:55 GMT -5
Any impressions or updates from the open practice?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 15, 2022 16:04:41 GMT -5
Tomorrow is the open practice for season ticket holders. I predict no one will be checking credentials to make sure attendees actually have season tickets. Not a ton of people showed up for the first one. Some of the crowd looked like students. Judging from post practice reactions, some players' family as well There are no restrictions about who can attend tomorrow other than being an HC fan. Did members of the hater crew wear disguises to skip past this requirement at the door? I kid, I kid. Go Cross Go!!!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 15, 2022 17:52:14 GMT -5
Nope, they let us all in. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Since I had to leave for my commitment to watch the ladies soccer game (their first win, 1-0 over Laffy), I defer to NAD, Tom , DiMarz.
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 15, 2022 18:48:31 GMT -5
Not much more to say than last weekend...Jaden Kirkwood was absent today, he has pink eye! Bo left the court early, he caught an elbow in rebounding action, was bleeding pretty good. He did not return. The team looked a bit tired today, it was their 6th day in row, and couple of those days they had double sessions....They front rimmed a lot of shots..Joe Octave looked very comfortable out there, as did Jade Tse.(pronounced CEE). They did a few drills focusing on getting back on D, and also pushing the ball on O. It was nice to see Rabs score a few times on jump hook shots, Gates was Gates. Batch didn't shoot it very well today, he stayed out after to take more shots...Coach Nelson was very vocal regarding turnovers, and the team ran sprints for each turn over that happened in the scrimmage portion of the morning.
It appears we will play a more aggressive style on D..More double teams and stepping out into passing lanes than we have seen in the past few seasons. It seems Coach Nelson want to play fast, it would be a nice style to watch..I'd say we can go 9 deep. Gates is still the ONE, he has to carry the scoring, and I hope Bo can be a consistent #2 scorer.. I hope we can find a few other players each night to light it up.
I think this will be an interesting team to watch as the season progresses. It seems they all get along well, a lot of smiles and chatter out there!
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 15, 2022 19:39:33 GMT -5
"It seems they all get along well, a lot of smiles and chatter out there!" That is good to hear! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by hchoops on Oct 15, 2022 20:13:55 GMT -5
Not much more to say than last weekend...Jaden Kirkwood was absent today, he has pink eye! Bo left the court early, he caught an elbow in rebounding action, was bleeding pretty good. He did not return. The team looked a bit tired today, it was their 6th day in row, and couple of those days they had double sessions....They front rimmed a lot of shots..Joe Octave looked very comfortable out there, as did Jade Tse.(pronounced CEE). They did a few drills focusing on getting back on D, and also pushing the ball on O. It was nice to see Rabs score a few times on jump hook shots, Gates was Gates. Batch didn't shoot it very well today, he stayed out after to take more shots...Coach Nelson was very vocal regarding turnovers, and the team ran sprints for each turn over that happened in the scrimmage portion of the morning. It appears we will play a more aggressive style on D..More double teams and stepping out into passing lanes than we have seen in the past few seasons. It seems Coach Nelson want to play fast, it would be a nice style to watch..I'd say we can go 9 deep. Gates is still the ONE, he has to carry the scoring, and I hope Bo can be a consistent #2 scorer.. I hope we can find a few other players each night to light it up. I think this will be an interesting team to watch as the season progresses. It seems they all get along well, a lot of smiles and chatter out there! Thanks again If I recall correctly, you said that last week’s workout showed a match up man that seemed to be the primary defense. This report says pressure Does this now seem to be the primary defense ?
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 15, 2022 20:35:50 GMT -5
Not much more to say than last weekend...Jaden Kirkwood was absent today, he has pink eye! Bo left the court early, he caught an elbow in rebounding action, was bleeding pretty good. He did not return. The team looked a bit tired today, it was their 6th day in row, and couple of those days they had double sessions....They front rimmed a lot of shots..Joe Octave looked very comfortable out there, as did Jade Tse.(pronounced CEE). They did a few drills focusing on getting back on D, and also pushing the ball on O. It was nice to see Rabs score a few times on jump hook shots, Gates was Gates. Batch didn't shoot it very well today, he stayed out after to take more shots...Coach Nelson was very vocal regarding turnovers, and the team ran sprints for each turn over that happened in the scrimmage portion of the morning. It appears we will play a more aggressive style on D..More double teams and stepping out into passing lanes than we have seen in the past few seasons. It seems Coach Nelson want to play fast, it would be a nice style to watch..I'd say we can go 9 deep. Gates is still the ONE, he has to carry the scoring, and I hope Bo can be a consistent #2 scorer.. I hope we can find a few other players each night to light it up. I think this will be an interesting team to watch as the season progresses. It seems they all get along well, a lot of smiles and chatter out there! Thanks again If I recall correctly, you said that last week’s workout showed a match up man that seemed to be the primary defense. This report says pressure Does this now seem to be the primary defense ? I cant say for certain what will be the primary D. Today they spent time working against pressure, and also used doubles more..They also showed taking away the passing lanes to the wings with an overplay,, A lot going on with the D that we haven't seen before. Some of the pressure I mention is pushing the ball up the floor quickly trying to get easy hoops..Pressuring he other teams transition D. They ran a drill where there were 5 offensive players against 4 defenders, the 5th player was at the offensive end of the court,,,Off a score or a steal the 4 would look to use that 5 th man with a long pass..It made the other team, with 5, really have to work to get back and defend that 1 player...A few time out of a time out, one team would come out with a Full court press....Lots going on with the D
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Post by Tom on Oct 15, 2022 21:59:30 GMT -5
Not much more to say than last weekend...Jaden Kirkwood was absent today, he has pink eye! Bo left the court early, he caught an elbow in rebounding action, was bleeding pretty good. He did not return. The team looked a bit tired today, it was their 6th day in row, and couple of those days they had double sessions....They front rimmed a lot of shots..Joe Octave looked very comfortable out there, as did Jade Tse.(pronounced CEE). They did a few drills focusing on getting back on D, and also pushing the ball on O. It was nice to see Rabs score a few times on jump hook shots, Gates was Gates. Batch didn't shoot it very well today, he stayed out after to take more shots...Coach Nelson was very vocal regarding turnovers, and the team ran sprints for each turn over that happened in the scrimmage portion of the morning. It appears we will play a more aggressive style on D..More double teams and stepping out into passing lanes than we have seen in the past few seasons. It seems Coach Nelson want to play fast, it would be a nice style to watch..I'd say we can go 9 deep. Gates is still the ONE, he has to carry the scoring, and I hope Bo can be a consistent #2 scorer.. I hope we can find a few other players each night to light it up. I think this will be an interesting team to watch as the season progresses. It seems they all get along well, a lot of smiles and chatter out there! Thanks again If I recall correctly, you said that last week’s workout showed a match up man that seemed to be the primary defense. This report says pressure Does this now seem to be the primary defense ? Hard to say. It's still pre-season practice. Something that was different than last week, there was a portion of practice focused on zone D. Some things were similar to last week.Some were different. Some of what we saw might be adding tools to the tool belt. When the real season starts, I don't know if pressure will be a regular thing or if this is just another tool in the belt that will be available when needed.. I'm not sure there is a big drop off from #4 on the depth chart to #10. I think this team will have decent depth. Only time will tell if the interchangeabity of 4 thru 10 has the quality to translate into wins. Tse had a pretty good jumped out at me more today than last week
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 15, 2022 23:31:13 GMT -5
Not much more to say than last weekend...Jaden Kirkwood was absent today, he has pink eye! Bo left the court early, he caught an elbow in rebounding action, was bleeding pretty good. He did not return. The team looked a bit tired today, it was their 6th day in row, and couple of those days they had double sessions....They front rimmed a lot of shots..Joe Octave looked very comfortable out there, as did Jade Tse.(pronounced CEE). They did a few drills focusing on getting back on D, and also pushing the ball on O. It was nice to see Rabs score a few times on jump hook shots, Gates was Gates. Batch didn't shoot it very well today, he stayed out after to take more shots...Coach Nelson was very vocal regarding turnovers, and the team ran sprints for each turn over that happened in the scrimmage portion of the morning. It appears we will play a more aggressive style on D..More double teams and stepping out into passing lanes than we have seen in the past few seasons. It seems Coach Nelson want to play fast, it would be a nice style to watch..I'd say we can go 9 deep. Gates is still the ONE, he has to carry the scoring, and I hope Bo can be a consistent #2 scorer.. I hope we can find a few other players each night to light it up. I think this will be an interesting team to watch as the season progresses. It seems they all get along well, a lot of smiles and chatter out there! Interesting note on the practice schedule. The HC full-week “Fall Break” is pretty silly, but it does give the hoops team a great opportunity for a “training camp” type of schedule in the middle of preseason practice, without the standard NCAA weekly hour limits that exist when classes are in sessions.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 16, 2022 5:08:04 GMT -5
Very tasty mini square croissants served, both chocolate and cream cheese with almonds, along with bagels and breakfast breads.
Oh, basketball. I can't add much more.
Louth has had a physical transformation; leaner looking guy. I was kinda hoping one of the bigs would really stand out, and look like a front runner for minutes, but I don't think that will be the case. On the other, we should see plenty of Louth, Wilbar and Rabs; Rabs in particular looked like he has made some strides (showing that baby hook, as mentioned).
We were saying "he's gotta make that shot" on quite a few occasions; but as was mentioned, we were told later they were finishing up a hot and heavy stretch of practice.
Just having Bo miss quite a bit of the scrimmage illustrated how badly they are going to need him to be an upper echelon team in the PL, imho. Some struggling to score.
Tse started slowly, but later on he did get to the rim for baskets a couple of times, one with each hand. They could use some steady game management type of play from him.
I really like Kenney; he's got that aggressive nature. Once he flashed along the baseline for a windmill dunk in someone's face; another time he stuffed Rabs right at the rim. Not sure exactly how they will use him, but I like having him in there.
Batch looked pretty smooth; as with others, shots weren't falling, but you can see he is comfortable putting it up. He (and the others) came up to see our group of 3 after; seems like a really great kid.
I understand the why, but I have to say I felt a little bad for the guys, having to look into the stands and pretty much seeing no one but a few old guys. Regardless of the coaching stuff, I'm really hoping they can have some success this year.
In conclusion, my one concern is this: while an ex coach like by buddy DiMarz can peer onto the court and see things they are trying to accomplish and work on, for an average schmo like me not enough jumps out at me at this point in year 4. I'm just not certain what they are trying to hang their hat on. Maybe that will become more apparent with a few real games. I do believe they are going to be able to (and might need to) go pretty deep into their bench.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 16, 2022 7:07:55 GMT -5
Thanks, You may be a tad better than an average schmo with all the games you have seen over the years.
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