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Post by rgs318 on Nov 28, 2016 7:44:48 GMT -5
It was less than 2 minutes, I'm sure he said a lot more. He's teaching them, that's what he does That is a major point. CBC is constantly teaching his players how to be even better. He also knows when to leave well enough alone (as with MA). Watching his during every timeout (or even a foul shot), he always is talking to one of them - and to those on the bench during play - pointing things out. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 28, 2016 7:54:28 GMT -5
HC students have "No school spirit", the past few years attendance has been awful. Watch games on tv and see how the other school have better school spirit even if their team stinks. HC is not that unusual. It is an overall mid major problem. I have season tickets to Hofstra and, even with a team that is a CAA conference contender, and a 24 game winner a year ago, they draw less than 100 students of the 10,000+ enrollment to the games. 95% of the crowd are local college basketball fans who just want to see a game. |
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 7:58:37 GMT -5
If by school spirit you mean looking at their phones, you're right, lots of kids at the games. We would have had students there yesterday except that they were all sitting, and not moving, on the Mass Pike
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 28, 2016 7:58:43 GMT -5
HC students have "No school spirit", the past few years attendance has been awful. Watch games on tv and see how the other school have better school spirit even if their team stinks. HC is not that unusual. It is an overall mid major problem. I have season tickets to Hofstra and, even with a team that is a CAA conference contender, and a 24 game winner a year ago, they draw less than 100 students of the 10,000+ enrollment to the games. 95% of the crowd are local college basketball fans who just want to see a game. I guess, with proper marketing of a winning product, there may still be hope for Worcester.  |
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 28, 2016 7:59:58 GMT -5
Moved this to the Albany thread - sorry for misplacing the story.  |
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 8:07:07 GMT -5
Apparently this was a big deal for Albany to get Siena to play @ Albany rather than in the local arena. The coach mentioned it several times in the post game interview
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 28, 2016 8:18:42 GMT -5
Apparently this was a big deal for Albany to get Siena to play @ Albany rather than in the local arena. The coach mentioned it several times in the post game interview That will be where HC Plays on Wednesday. |
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 8:21:53 GMT -5
Apparently this was a big deal for Albany to get Siena to play @ Albany rather than in the local arena. The coach mentioned it several times in the post game interview That will be where HC Plays on Wednesday. Correct, and I think I'm sitting in the same seats as 2 years ago when M Hahn drained 3 after 3 directly in front of me |
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Post by JRGNYR on Nov 28, 2016 8:58:11 GMT -5
He didn't acknowledge any responsibility for the failed setups of the inbounding at the end. 'Sota, you were a teacher in a past life, yes? |
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Post by ncaam on Nov 28, 2016 9:01:04 GMT -5
Can we at least say we didn't work on in bounding enough? Let's remember the poor last second defense vs Albany last year.
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 9:08:37 GMT -5
Sometimes things are not that easy to replicate in practice. Carmody said they practiced it, so they did. After getting the out of bounds pass from AT, Benzan may have had a moment to get it back to AT in bounds before #12 covered AT again. He missed the opportunity. MU was very quick
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 9:39:32 GMT -5
Can we at least say we didn't work on in bounding enough? Let's remember the poor last second defense vs Albany last year. Sure we can say it, but since none of us have been attending practices it would seem to be a baseless assessment. Cheers. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2016 9:48:00 GMT -5
With 18 seconds remaining, Pomeroy had the outcome of the game at about 97.5% in HC's favor.
In the loss to Loyola in 2009, it was a close to 100% as you can get with a shade over a minute remaining in HC's favor.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2016 10:04:52 GMT -5
Here's the post game presser. CBC throws his players under the bus. I'm disappointed in CBC: I'm far more concerned with Charles' comment: "We knew what they had coming in, but we really just focused on us.One thing that the coaching staff has really been pushing us to do this year is really focus on what Holy Cross has to do, because if we play our solid basketball and our brand of basketball then other teams have to play against us and they have to do stuff to counter what we do"Perhaps this is why we weren't fully prepared for the press? Or why we didn't have a better strategy on the back end of our defense to limit the number of easy shots for Brady? This is a losing philosophy against teams that are more talented than us, and it also largely ignores the defensive end. If we aren't going to focus on taking away the strengths of our opponents, the talented teams are going to "out-talent" and "out-score" us. If we're not going to know that #5 is a shooter versus #11 who doesn't shoot and doesn't require two guys running out at him on the 3-point line and leaving the back end open versus #21 who always drives left so we should close out on him on his left side to make him drive right versus #3 who drives to pass rather than shoot so we shouldn't be collapsing on him with 3 guys when he gets into the paint, and these are their most common UOB plays so we should know exactly how to guard them so we aren't giving away 2, 4, 6, 8 points on easy baskets in these situations, etc. etc. good teams with good players will continue shooting 50%+ against us and the only way we will have a prayer is to shoot and make a ton of 3's to win. |
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 10:12:17 GMT -5
It's nothing new. Carmody has been saying the same thing since he arrived. That's his style. I like it, you don't.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 28, 2016 10:13:40 GMT -5
To focus on our team does not mean ignoring an opponent. If we are going to focus on "us," that can also mean getting "us" ready for whomever we need to play.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 10:22:10 GMT -5
Here's the post game presser. CBC throws his players under the bus. I'm disappointed in CBC: I'm far more concerned with Charles' comment: "We knew what they had coming in, but we really just focused on us.One thing that the coaching staff has really been pushing us to do this year is really focus on what Holy Cross has to do, because if we play our solid basketball and our brand of basketball then other teams have to play against us and they have to do stuff to counter what we do"Perhaps this is why we weren't fully prepared for the press? Or why we didn't have a better strategy on the back end of our defense to limit the number of easy shots for Brady? This is a losing philosophy against teams that are more talented than us, and it also largely ignores the defensive end. If we aren't going to focus on taking away the strengths of our opponents, the talented teams are going to "out-talent" and "out-score" us. If we're not going to know that #5 is a shooter versus #11 who doesn't shoot and doesn't require two guys running out at him on the 3-point line and leaving the back end open versus #21 who always drives left so we should close out on him on his left side to make him drive right versus #3 who drives to pass rather than shoot so we shouldn't be collapsing on him with 3 guys when he gets into the paint, and these are their most common UOB plays so we should know exactly how to guard them so we aren't giving away 2, 4, 6, 8 points on easy baskets in these situations, etc. etc. good teams with good players will continue shooting 50%+ against us and the only way we will have a prayer is to shoot and make a ton of 3's to win. Translation re: KC's quote - he told us to concentrate on playing our style of hoops and not to let them take us out of our game. If we do what we need to do and stick to the plan, we can win. How many times have you heard his quote said subtley different...a million times, and never had a problem with. This line of reasoning and supposed issues you are spotting is inane. Cheers. |
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Post by HC92 on Nov 28, 2016 10:35:27 GMT -5
I think Carmody definitely focuses less on the opponent than a coach like RW. Some of it may also be a function of where we are in the transition to what Carmody wants to do. Once we can do all of our stuff in our sleep, perhaps Carmody will start spending more time on opponent-specific preparation. He's won a lot of basketball games so I'm comfortable trusting his judgment on how best to spend our finite practice time.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 28, 2016 10:38:20 GMT -5
I'm far more concerned with Charles' comment: "We knew what they had coming in, but we really just focused on us.One thing that the coaching staff has really been pushing us to do this year is really focus on what Holy Cross has to do, because if we play our solid basketball and our brand of basketball then other teams have to play against us and they have to do stuff to counter what we do"Perhaps this is why we weren't fully prepared for the press? Or why we didn't have a better strategy on the back end of our defense to limit the number of easy shots for Brady? This is a losing philosophy against teams that are more talented than us, and it also largely ignores the defensive end. If we aren't going to focus on taking away the strengths of our opponents, the talented teams are going to "out-talent" and "out-score" us. If we're not going to know that #5 is a shooter versus #11 who doesn't shoot and doesn't require two guys running out at him on the 3-point line and leaving the back end open versus #21 who always drives left so we should close out on him on his left side to make him drive right versus #3 who drives to pass rather than shoot so we shouldn't be collapsing on him with 3 guys when he gets into the paint, and these are their most common UOB plays so we should know exactly how to guard them so we aren't giving away 2, 4, 6, 8 points on easy baskets in these situations, etc. etc. good teams with good players will continue shooting 50%+ against us and the only way we will have a prayer is to shoot and make a ton of 3's to win. Translation re: KC's quote - he told us to concentrate on playing our style of hoops and not to let them take us out of our game. If we do what we need to do and stick to the plan, we can win. How many times have you heard his quote said subtley different...a million times, and never had a problem with. This line of reasoning and supposed issues you are spotting is inane. Cheers. Wrong. There is a very distinct difference between "stick to the gameplan" and "play our brand of basketball so the other teams adjust to us." The former means executing the gameplan that was developed through scouting and practice, most often including specific scouting for the particular opponent, while the latter basically says "our best will beat your best." The latter is a losing philosophy against more talented teams, as evidenced by the ease at which good teams shoot 50%+ against us, an average margin of defeat of 37 in four games against Power Conference teams (with a low of 32), etc. etc. |
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 10:55:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 28, 2016 10:55:47 GMT -5
And, despite all of the problems you have laid out, Caro, we still had a top 100 team beat before an epic collapse in the final 18 seconds. We did more good than bad against Monmouth, whether you want to admit that or not. How many back door layups did we beat them for? Eight?
In three of our past four games, we have help our opponent to fewer than 1.00 PPP -- this is good.
In total agreement we need to improve defending around the rim, as our opponents are shooting better than 60% on 2PT FG.
At Albany will be another very good test on Wednesday.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 11:01:08 GMT -5
Translation re: KC's quote - he told us to concentrate on playing our style of hoops and not to let them take us out of our game. If we do what we need to do and stick to the plan, we can win. How many times have you heard his quote said subtley different...a million times, and never had a problem with. This line of reasoning and supposed issues you are spotting is inane. Cheers. Wrong. There is a very distinct difference between "stick to the gameplan" and "play our brand of basketball so the other teams adjust to us." The former means executing the gameplan that was developed through scouting and practice, most often including specific scouting for the particular opponent, while the latter basically says "our best will beat your best." The latter is a losing philosophy against more talented teams, as evidenced by the ease at which good teams shoot 50%+ against us, an average margin of defeat of 37 in four games against Power Conference teams (with a low of 32), etc. etc. We could have fo used solely on how South Carolina and Cuse played for weeks and it would not have impacted the score. you take KC's quote to its illogical conclusion that we disregarded the other team entirely. That is your otion, bit I think you are looking to seize on little things to support the conclusion you already have reached. So be it, but I disagree. |
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Post by ncaam on Nov 28, 2016 11:03:05 GMT -5
Are our starters still learning the po?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 28, 2016 11:09:30 GMT -5
CBC:" We're working against pressure every day ." |
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Nov 28, 2016 11:18:52 GMT -5
Translation re: KC's quote - he told us to concentrate on playing our style of hoops and not to let them take us out of our game. If we do what we need to do and stick to the plan, we can win. How many times have you heard his quote said subtley different...a million times, and never had a problem with. This line of reasoning and supposed issues you are spotting is inane. Cheers. Wrong. There is a very distinct difference between "stick to the gameplan" and "play our brand of basketball so the other teams adjust to us." The former means executing the gameplan that was developed through scouting and practice, most often including specific scouting for the particular opponent, while the latter basically says "our best will beat your best." The latter is a losing philosophy against more talented teams, as evidenced by the ease at which good teams shoot 50%+ against us, an average margin of defeat of 37 in four games against Power Conference teams (with a low of 32), etc. etc. I don't know, I feel as though nitpicking on what a 19 year old said in a post-game press conference after a heartbreaking loss isn't the best way to gain insight into what the coaching preparation for each and every opponent is. If, on the coach's show, CBC said "To be honest, we don't watch much tape on the opponents nor care what they do, we only worry about how to execute our system," then I think your concerns would hold more weight. Nevertheless, something to keep an eye on. As SoV pointed out, still more good than bad in that game. As for the last Power Conference teams we've played, one was a #1 seed, the other was fresh off a Final Four appearance, and the other just beat that Final Four team. I still think we've improved each game this year. If you had told me after Monmouth lost by 1 to SC that we would be sitting here talking about how we outplayed them (MU) for most of the game, I'd have been pretty impressed with the progress we've made. |
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