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Post by Tom on Oct 18, 2022 10:18:03 GMT -5
It costs more money to play D-I sports than D-III
But. . .
I am aware of the vast majority of D-II and D-III schools in MA and a decent percentage of the ones in New England as a whole (but we are geographically small)
Outside of New England, I have never heard of the vast majority of D-II or D-III schools, but have probably at least heard of most of the D-I schools outside New England. I assume people in other parts of the country are as regionalistic as I am. Outside of the NESCAC which has some top notch, nationally known schools, the average person from Iowa probably has never heard of Nichols or any other D-III school in MA. There is a value to having people outside of New England at least vaguely aware that your school exists
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 18, 2022 10:27:53 GMT -5
Tom’s thesis is what the Nichols’ president subscribes to and what I thought I said way back - it is branding, recognition, awareness even.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 18, 2022 10:48:36 GMT -5
I think the NCAA should be re-classified into 3 levels (replacing D-1, D-2, D-3)
NIL+ NIL NIL-
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Post by Tom on Oct 18, 2022 11:55:17 GMT -5
Tom’s thesis is what the Nichols’ president subscribes to and what I thought I said way back - it is branding, recognition, awareness even. But there has to be some measurement of pro's and con's. Will being a D-I help get that kid from Iowa to apply? Will the added recognition reap benefits to justify the added financial burdens? I don't think these are slam dunk automatics
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Post by timholycross on Oct 18, 2022 12:34:17 GMT -5
I really don't understand all these schools wanting to move up. Especially in the current D1 climate and all the shuffling and reorganization going on. I know schools see $$$ but that is not guaranteed. The power 5 schools want nothing to do with the low D1's. You can bet your bottom dollar that all the P5 schools will eventully break off and form their own organization leaving all the mid majors and low D1's blowing in the wind. It just seems to me all these schools that are planning to move up (Stonehill, Nichols, etc) are taking a big risk. Also, Bentley is all set to move up to D1, they are just waiting for a conference that they feel is worthy of them to invite them and so far nobody has. Ironic that the two basketball powers in D2 for a long time were Assumption and Bentley and their peers seemingly all made the move up but they didn't. I can't believe Bentley thinks they have other conference options considering they have a football team. CAA and Patriot League are the only other two.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 18, 2022 13:28:45 GMT -5
I really don't understand all these schools wanting to move up. Especially in the current D1 climate and all the shuffling and reorganization going on. I know schools see $$$ but that is not guaranteed. The power 5 schools want nothing to do with the low D1's. You can bet your bottom dollar that all the P5 schools will eventully break off and form their own organization leaving all the mid majors and low D1's blowing in the wind. It just seems to me all these schools that are planning to move up (Stonehill, Nichols, etc) are taking a big risk. Also, Bentley is all set to move up to D1, they are just waiting for a conference that they feel is worthy of them to invite them and so far nobody has. Ironic that the two basketball powers in D2 for a long time were Assumption and Bentley and their peers seemingly all made the move up but they didn't. I can't believe Bentley thinks they have other conference options considering they have a football team. CAA and Patriot League are the only other two. Bryant's football team is in the Big South.....
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 18, 2022 14:43:28 GMT -5
If Bentley thinks they are too good for the NEC they are being awfully picky. I wonder how BU, a non-football school and HC, a FB school feel about Bentley joining the PL?
I have mixed feelings about schools like BU, Loyola and American that want the benefits of PL membership but want to cherry pick the sports they play and thus gain a financial advantage in those sports over the core schools that offer a full intercollegiate sports program for their students, fans and communities.
On the other hand, the seven team PL has certainly served HC well in the Chesney era so far. On balance I don't think adding Bentley as a full or FB PL member would be better than the OOC slates we have been scheduling, not that anyone has proposed that.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 18, 2022 14:52:20 GMT -5
If Bentley thinks they are too good for the NEC they are being awfully picky. I wonder how BU, a non-football school and HC, a FB school feel about Bentley joining the PL? I have mixed feelings about schools like BU, Loyola and American that want the benefits of PL membership but want to cherry pick the sports they play and thus gain a financial advantage in those sports over the core schools that offer a full intercollegiate sports program for their students, fans and communities. On the other hand, the seven team PL has certainly served HC well in the Chesney era so far. On balance I don't think adding Bentley as a full or FB PL member would be better than the OOC slates we have been scheduling, not that anyone has proposed that. BU cut Swimming Scholarships in 2015 but have a GREAT POOL dailyfreepress.com/2015/10/19/bu-cuts-swimming-and-diving-scholarships/
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 18, 2022 14:54:03 GMT -5
Nichols is not looking for a kid from Iowa right now. They are looking for kids from Long Island and the NY Metro area, NJ, and the like. Has being D-1 helped HC get kids from Iowa (rhetorical question)? You walk before you run.
Fr. Boroughs (surprisingly looking back at it) told me that he saw athletics as a vehicle to get Holy Cross' brand out there and he was looking specifically south and west.
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Post by coachrt on Oct 18, 2022 15:34:01 GMT -5
I understand the recognition part and marketing to other regions of the country. However, how much of a money pit do you want athletics to become to achieve this. You think Stonehill, Merrimack, Bentley will every turn a profit? Football will be a financial drain and hole they never climb out of. All these schools need to upgrade their facilities. Bentley has a decent ice hockey arena that about it. Their basketball gyms are glorified high school gyms at the moment. I just wonder if moving up will be the financial gain everyone expects it will be.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 18, 2022 16:37:27 GMT -5
I understand the recognition part and marketing to other regions of the country. However, how much of a money pit do you want athletics to become to achieve this. You think Stonehill, Merrimack, Bentley will every turn a profit? Football will be a financial drain and hole they never climb out of. All these schools need to upgrade their facilities. Bentley has a decent ice hockey arena that about it. Their basketball gyms are glorified high school gyms at the moment. I just wonder if moving up will be the financial gain everyone expects it will be. Holy Cross gym is a glorified high school gym....
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 18, 2022 16:42:42 GMT -5
But it's attached to the Luth Athletic Center, one of the best in the country. You have to look at the forest, not the trees, Foley!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 18, 2022 16:46:56 GMT -5
Bentley and Nichols are business focused. I suspect they know how much to throw down the money pit better than most colleges and universities. Can't speak to Merrimack or Stonehill.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 18, 2022 16:51:57 GMT -5
Bentley and Nichols are business focused. I suspect they know how much to throw down the money pit better than most colleges and universities. Can't speak to Merrimack or Stonehill. Stonehill is known for stuff...including being a top liberal arts college. www.stonehill.edu/about-stonehill/accolades/
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 18, 2022 16:57:35 GMT -5
You actually helped make my case. I simply said I couldn't speak to Stonehill.
So, Stonehill, too, should know how much is too much to throw down the athletics hole.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 18, 2022 21:29:17 GMT -5
Nichols in no way should be in D1. The NEC is looking to capture the Southbridge market.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 18, 2022 21:30:22 GMT -5
I understand the recognition part and marketing to other regions of the country. However, how much of a money pit do you want athletics to become to achieve this. You think Stonehill, Merrimack, Bentley will every turn a profit? Football will be a financial drain and hole they never climb out of. All these schools need to upgrade their facilities. Bentley has a decent ice hockey arena that about it. Their basketball gyms are glorified high school gyms at the moment. I just wonder if moving up will be the financial gain everyone expects it will be. Holy Cross gym is a glorified high school gym.... Wrong.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 19, 2022 6:13:57 GMT -5
Bentley and Nichols are business focused. I suspect they know how much to throw down the money pit better than most colleges and universities. Can't speak to Merrimack or Stonehill. Stonehill is known for stuff...including being a top liberal arts college. www.stonehill.edu/about-stonehill/accolades/Yes, it a “top” liberal arts college which is tied with Ursinus, Wheaton and St. Mary’s College of Maryland for places 89-92 in the US News Rankings.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 19, 2022 7:53:03 GMT -5
Brown Womens Soccer with backups playing best Stonehill 11-0 last night.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 19, 2022 8:39:38 GMT -5
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Good to know. Thanks...
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 19, 2022 9:51:02 GMT -5
Good use of sarcasm, ACTP. Sarasota would be proud of you. Or would that be sarcasm on my part? I have to think about it!
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Post by Tom on Oct 19, 2022 9:59:53 GMT -5
I understand the recognition part and marketing to other regions of the country. However, how much of a money pit do you want athletics to become to achieve this. You think Stonehill, Merrimack, Bentley will every turn a profit? Football will be a financial drain and hole they never climb out of. All these schools need to upgrade their facilities. Bentley has a decent ice hockey arena that about it. Their basketball gyms are glorified high school gyms at the moment. I just wonder if moving up will be the financial gain everyone expects it will be. Holy Cross gym is a glorified high school gym.... I think you and I have very different definitions of glorified high school gym. Last season I went to a game at Lowell (not Tsongas) . That was a glorified high school gym. It was the old gym from their D-III days and it showed. I'm not snobbishly picking on Lowell because they have a fine option in Tsongas. The things that make me say that was a glorified high school gym -very low capacity. I would guess under 1000 - zero chair back seats - basically non existent concessions Others here would probably throw in video screens( but I don't care about those). Still those are casual observations of a gym that are more consistent with high school than D-I college Hart has a reasonable capacity for low D-I. I know they reduced it with hand railings and purple molded plastic on bleachers, but still close to 4000 I think Hart has very low percentage of chairbacks - but they do have some (normally not full). I haven't seen that in a high school gym I might complain about Hart concessions, but I can get a hot dog, lousy pizza and a soda out of the concession stand I will admit that the Mullins Center looks more like the Centrum than Hart, but having been to most of the D-I college gyms in New England, Hart, while not at the top, certainly isn't lacking either. I am curious what characteristics of Hart make you describe it as a glorified high school gym
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 19, 2022 10:02:57 GMT -5
Why do you encourage him?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 19, 2022 11:10:58 GMT -5
Holy Cross gym is a glorified high school gym.... I am curious what characteristics of Hart make you describe it as a glorified high school gym It's affiliation with Holy Cross?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 19, 2022 11:12:07 GMT -5
I've been in Cameron Indoor. If the Hart is a glorified high school gym, then Cameron is a glorified high school gym you'd find in Indiana.
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