why4
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Post by why4 on Mar 8, 2023 15:30:26 GMT -5
In the first half Lowder was badly beaten to the hoop twice by his man, the ballhandler. Shocking.
2-7 (0-2), 0-2 FT. Exceptional.
Brett Nelson is an ass, plain and simple. I was admonished the las time I posted here and I deleted it. I thought it better to just leave you to your thoughts and move on. Additionally, there are some REALLY great people at Holy Cross and I didn't feel it was necessary to lump everyone together. But for "hchoops" and a couple others, you're you have no real idea what you're talking about. Well I've got time today, and you can say whatever you wish about me afterwards, most of you cowards will anyway. Bottom line is my kid has had some struggles, gone through some adversity, and grown as a student, as a man and as a player. However, some of you insists on continuing to denigrate his character. Yeah, it was Nelson who did everything he could to keep Drew from playing D1 basketball again. He went out of his way to make calls to schools that expressed an interest in Drew. That's ridiculous. He called him a cancer, a loser and alluded to him being a "pot head." The epitome of a bully with connections. My son missed MEALS at Holy Cross because of Nelson, but hey, that's your guy...lol (or at least it was). My son didn't quit on his teammates, in fact, he still communicates with almost all of them. He was told profanely that he didn't have a future in the program...so he left the program; and still finished the semester. He was never the problem at HC, but he definitely took the hit. As for EMU, the new coach said he was flipping the roster and told everyone to hit the portal...in September. No reports of Lowder being a bad kid, teammate or person. Hmmmm... Just a new coach bringing in new players. Three players stayed and one left the following year. Drew goes the juco route, gets his associates degree while being named All American and leading the nation in scoring. No reports of him being a bad kid, lousy teammate or horrible person. Hmmmm... He gets an offer from Tarleton State that he accepts. Until Brett Nelson makes a call and now they're not so sure if he's a good fit. The kid has been gone for two years and you're still making calls to belittle him? That's an asshole move if ever there was one. Now he's found a home, he's happy, playing decent most nights, has over a 3.3 GPA, has secured a summer internship with the Cavaliers. Coach speaks glowingly of how he's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was told by...hold up...wait for it...Brett Nelson. Yet some of you still want to make disparaging comments about him. Some of you are nothing short of pathetic. Oh, and Tom, since you seem to be pocket watching, Drew hasn't spent any time paying for his education, unless you mean time in the gym. As far as money...we've had to pay for two summer classes. How many did you pay for your kids? Drew is not perfect, I don't expect him to be. He's a young man who is growing and learning to be better each day. Brett Nelson will never get another D1 coaching job and he doesn't deserve one. He's not good for kids. I really hope your new AD finds a great coach. As previously stated, there are a lot of great people there and they deserve better...even those of you who clearly have an issue with my kid deserve better than Brett Nelson. There you have it...bash away, but stop bashing my kid. He's growing up and so should some of you. I told you three years ago... Just another way that “Holy” Cross demonstrated how much it cared about its student-athletes. The carnage of this "program" ain't over. There's more to this exodus coming...just wait. Until then, let's recap quickly... A list of the players who have left and what your coach or some of you “fans” have said about them since they left. Grandison (problem child, we don't need him) Green (must have been scared of the competition...lol, we don't need him) Neither of them can be “blamed” on Nelson, but he clearly wasn’t very interested in keeping them. _______________________ Lovisolo (not really a D1 player so it doesn't matter, we don't need him) Lowder (attitude problem, wouldn't adapt to the "culture" too “selfish” we don't need him) Hargis (became a scrub mid-season, with his position less ass, we don't need him) Copeland (he's not coming back to play, he’s a head case, we don't need him) Sandy (never played a single second, must be a scrub with an attitude problem, we don't need him) Yeutter (low skill set, not really a D1 player, we don't need him) Verbeek (physically weak, not really a D1 player, we don't need him) Niego (not as good as the new recruits, and over values his worth, we don't need him) Joe P (featured on a horrible team, he “used” us, he’s so disloyal, this one may hurt, nah we don’t need him) Not a math major, but I think that's 11; and counting. But hey, don't look at the person running the show, or his staff. Let's continue to blame FCBC. Or better yet, keep blaming the kids. Who you gonna blame when the next two or three leave? What happens if/when kids start de-committing? It must be the ‘Rona Virus! They have awful attitudes! They're not really D1 players! They're all murderous drug dealers or dope smokers that won't conform to the Holy Cross culture! Good riddance! Some of you love to bash FCBC, but he never went 3-29, even with a "#@*&$~!ty" roster. I don't care what any of you say, he would have won double digit games with this team. Book it; double digit wins. Hell, Kennedy would have won more games with this roster if given a chance. 3-29: Hopefully ADMB (a great guy by the way) and HCBN can get it turned around for you. You've got what appears to be a pretty solid recruiting class, so you may bounce back to respectability fairly quickly, especially if they gel early. Maybe not. Good luck. Right now, however, you're not a real D1 program. You're program is laughable, as are many of you. 3-29: You lose 3 or 4 players, go ahead, chalk it up to the current circumstances in the world, kids wanting to be closer to home, kid’s bad attitudes, loose NCAA guidelines and FCBC not recruiting well enough for the PATRIOT LEAGUE (insert joke here). You lose 6 or 7, start looking at your assistant coaches. If kids don't "like" HCBN, or are homesick, or just need someone to listen, shouldn't your assistants be able to smooth some things out and provide a buffer? Shouldn’t your assistant coaches be able to provide them with a way to communicate with the head coach? Aren't they supposed to pull kids aside and give them some support when they get called a pu*** for the fourth time or told repeatedly to shut the f*** up? Not this group. You're up to 11 it’s not over! 3-29: How long before the sheep start looking at the total mismanagement of the talent that was assembled, even if it wasn't talent that your “coach” brought in. Let's look at the fact that “no one” was willing or able to work with a 19 year old freshman PG that didn't WANT to leave, let alone leave mid-season! He showed up at every home game to support his brothers, but not one coach spoke to him after he was asked to leave the program when he let ADMB know his intentions to leave after this year. But now he’s the selfish mastermind behind a player who played NOT ONE SECOND this season, and the PL Rookie of the Year leaving? That statement might be the stand alone, dumbest thing any of you have said all year, and that's a mighty tall task. How about the wing that started out strong and then fell completely apart, did anyone ask him what the issue was? 3-29: Another wing, who fought back from illness and injury, only to be yanked in and out of the lineup, have his masculinity questioned, and then leave for personal reasons? Anyone checked on that young man yet? Didn’t think so. BV? He just wasn’t good enough for…THE PATRIOT LEAGUE? CN? Anyone ask him? Have any of you called JP? That’s what I thought. But keep denigrating them. Don’t gloss over the IRON MAN method of playing kids 40 minutes a night and refusing to adjust even though you're still getting hammered by 20-30-40 points. Don't you at least try to take a look at your bench occasionally to see if there are any serviceable pieces? Especially if you are getting plowed by 20+ every night anyway? Oh wait, that's being evaluated at the FULL practice 6 hours before the game starts. Shouldn’t someone develop an offense that allows you to utilize players strengths? Freelancing? How about no real guidance? You say you want to get out and "attack" but then you call a play every time down. Don’t you adjust to what you have instead of hammering something down the throats of those who clearly can’t do what you’re asking them to do? 3-29. If every kid fails a test, who’s at fault? Maybe you should evaluate the teaching approach. Or was this the master plan so when this exodus transpired, there was a ready-made excuse? “I had to get rid of them all because they either can't play or they can’t play the way I need them too.” Nope, let's not hold him or his "staff" accountable for ANYTHING! Let's continue to blame FCBC, even though the lead recruiter for most of these guys is still sitting on your bench? What has he done with the kids he essentially brought in and made so many promises too? NOT A DAMN THING! 3-29: At what point do you ask the adult in charge to be that: the ADULT in charge. Go ahead, trash me and my rant. Talk about how obnoxious I am, right? Yet I had parents of other players calling me about what was happening to my son on a regular basis. One dad said to me, “my kid told me no one deserves to be treated like your son was." My kid was cursed and called out of his name and only Kennedy and ADMB were man enough to call me back when asked about it. My kid is out, and I supported him leaving. If any of you had a kid in the program, being treated the way he was treated, not one of you pretentious blowhards would make them stay, especially if a coach lied to your face and then refused to return texts or call you back after repeated attempts. I've sat mute and watched many of you bash my kid and several others when you have no clue what they've gone through with this guy. I've watched you praise and then cast judgement on MH, DL, AB, MF, RW, CN, JR and even your precious, beloved JP. I recognize it isn’t all of you and I thank those of you who have supported him and the rest of the players. Some of you seem to actually know basketball and some of you understand, or at least try to understand what these kids are dealing with. Some of you can’t make a damn layup, but yet, somehow, you know it all. You’re a joke. Some of you should really think about what you say about someone’s son before you say it. Would you want someone speaking about your child in that fashion? I know you wouldn’t say it to my face, because when you had the chance, you walked the other way. Cowards hiding behind a keyboard talking #@*&$~! about kids. Kudos to you. They’re not perfect and we shouldn’t expect them to be. Think for just a moment about the things YOU did when you were in college. You just didn’t have social media to record it all. A lot of you wouldn’t be where you are now, up on that high horse, if your college life came back to visit you. Some of you are stuck in the Cousy/Heinsohn era and it’s long gone. You say these kids have no character, no loyalty, yet you, the “adults” turn on them like they just slapped your mothers or slept with your daughters. The reality is, they decided this was not what they signed up for and they are leaving HC behind. They came to play for better or for worse, for FCBC, and as one of you so gloriously posted when I mentioned the transfer portal after the Navy home game, you remember, the one where DL hit the game winner and your coach opened his press conference talking about the "great pass" that JP made…”well guess who’s not the g-d coach anymore?” You’re right, he’s not the coach anymore, and 11 kids are no longer apart of your program. Why belittle them? If you don’t like your job, you find a new one. That’s your right. Go where your skills are appreciated and you can flourish. They too, have the right to go where they feel they will be happier. I hope they all find it. The really conflicting thing is, I wish my son would have stuck it out somehow, figured out how to make it work, and gotten that HC degree because I believe in its value, but I’m over 50 and a little bit old school I guess. However, I don’t want it at the cost of his mental health or well-being. Ask KC, it's not worth it. Besides, it’s not really the paper, it’s what you do with it when you get it. Good luck on building on that 3-29. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, especially these kids...and yes, they're still kids, and they deserved better than what they got from HC this year.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 8, 2023 15:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 8, 2023 16:02:06 GMT -5
Please send to athleticdirector@holycross.edu
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hc99
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Post by hc99 on Mar 8, 2023 16:04:32 GMT -5
Please send to athleticdirector@holycross.edu right? If Kit has heard all of this and a change still isn't made, something is definitely wrong.
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Post by hc87 on Mar 8, 2023 16:18:55 GMT -5
why4 with the daggahhh.....
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 8, 2023 16:37:02 GMT -5
why4, as I told you when we spoke...I feel bad that you were so hurt as well as by what happened to your son. Does calling others names make you feel better? If it does then I guess it is cathartic, but I am afraid it still comes across as a bit cowardly. You, yourself, use that word "coward" pretty freely in an anonymous blog. I have to ask, if you still follow Crossports years after your son left HC, why? In spite of everything, I wish both of you well.
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Post by jaredcurry on Mar 8, 2023 16:46:42 GMT -5
Shocking.
2-7 (0-2), 0-2 FT. Exceptional.
Brett Nelson is an ass, plain and simple. I was admonished the las time I posted here and I deleted it. I thought it better to just leave you to your thoughts and move on. Additionally, there are some REALLY great people at Holy Cross and I didn't feel it was necessary to lump everyone together. But for "hchoops" and a couple others, you're you have no real idea what you're talking about. Well I've got time today, and you can say whatever you wish about me afterwards, most of you cowards will anyway. Bottom line is my kid has had some struggles, gone through some adversity, and grown as a student, as a man and as a player. However, some of you insists on continuing to denigrate his character. Yeah, it was Nelson who did everything he could to keep Drew from playing D1 basketball again. He went out of his way to make calls to schools that expressed an interest in Drew. That's ridiculous. He called him a cancer, a loser and alluded to him being a "pot head." The epitome of a bully with connections. My son missed MEALS at Holy Cross because of Nelson, but hey, that's your guy...lol (or at least it was). My son didn't quit on his teammates, in fact, he still communicates with almost all of them. He was told profanely that he didn't have a future in the program...so he left the program; and still finished the semester. He was never the problem at HC, but he definitely took the hit. As for EMU, the new coach said he was flipping the roster and told everyone to hit the portal...in September. No reports of Lowder being a bad kid, teammate or person. Hmmmm... Just a new coach bringing in new players. Three players stayed and one left the following year. Drew goes the juco route, gets his associates degree while being named All American and leading the nation in scoring. No reports of him being a bad kid, lousy teammate or horrible person. Hmmmm... He gets an offer from Tarleton State that he accepts. Until Brett Nelson makes a call and now they're not so sure if he's a good fit. The kid has been gone for two years and you're still making calls to belittle him? That's an asshole move if ever there was one. Now he's found a home, he's happy, playing decent most nights, has over a 3.3 GPA, has secured a summer internship with the Cavaliers. Coach speaks glowingly of how he's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was told by...hold up...wait for it...Brett Nelson. Yet some of you still want to make disparaging comments about him. Some of you are nothing short of pathetic. Oh, and Tom, since you seem to be pocket watching, Drew hasn't spent any time paying for his education, unless you mean time in the gym. As far as money...we've had to pay for two summer classes. How many did you pay for your kids? Drew is not perfect, I don't expect him to be. He's a young man who is growing and learning to be better each day. Brett Nelson will never get another D1 coaching job and he doesn't deserve one. He's not good for kids. I really hope your new AD finds a great coach. As previously stated, there are a lot of great people there and they deserve better...even those of you who clearly have an issue with my kid deserve better than Brett Nelson. There you have it...bash away, but stop bashing my kid. He's growing up and so should some of you. I told you three years ago... Just another way that “Holy” Cross demonstrated how much it cared about its student-athletes. The carnage of this "program" ain't over. There's more to this exodus coming...just wait. Until then, let's recap quickly... A list of the players who have left and what your coach or some of you “fans” have said about them since they left. Grandison (problem child, we don't need him) Green (must have been scared of the competition...lol, we don't need him) Neither of them can be “blamed” on Nelson, but he clearly wasn’t very interested in keeping them. _______________________ Lovisolo (not really a D1 player so it doesn't matter, we don't need him) Lowder (attitude problem, wouldn't adapt to the "culture" too “selfish” we don't need him) Hargis (became a scrub mid-season, with his position less ass, we don't need him) Copeland (he's not coming back to play, he’s a head case, we don't need him) Sandy (never played a single second, must be a scrub with an attitude problem, we don't need him) Yeutter (low skill set, not really a D1 player, we don't need him) Verbeek (physically weak, not really a D1 player, we don't need him) Niego (not as good as the new recruits, and over values his worth, we don't need him) Joe P (featured on a horrible team, he “used” us, he’s so disloyal, this one may hurt, nah we don’t need him) Not a math major, but I think that's 11; and counting. But hey, don't look at the person running the show, or his staff. Let's continue to blame FCBC. Or better yet, keep blaming the kids. Who you gonna blame when the next two or three leave? What happens if/when kids start de-committing? It must be the ‘Rona Virus! They have awful attitudes! They're not really D1 players! They're all murderous drug dealers or dope smokers that won't conform to the Holy Cross culture! Good riddance! Some of you love to bash FCBC, but he never went 3-29, even with a "#@*&$~!ty" roster. I don't care what any of you say, he would have won double digit games with this team. Book it; double digit wins. Hell, Kennedy would have won more games with this roster if given a chance. 3-29: Hopefully ADMB (a great guy by the way) and HCBN can get it turned around for you. You've got what appears to be a pretty solid recruiting class, so you may bounce back to respectability fairly quickly, especially if they gel early. Maybe not. Good luck. Right now, however, you're not a real D1 program. You're program is laughable, as are many of you. 3-29: You lose 3 or 4 players, go ahead, chalk it up to the current circumstances in the world, kids wanting to be closer to home, kid’s bad attitudes, loose NCAA guidelines and FCBC not recruiting well enough for the PATRIOT LEAGUE (insert joke here). You lose 6 or 7, start looking at your assistant coaches. If kids don't "like" HCBN, or are homesick, or just need someone to listen, shouldn't your assistants be able to smooth some things out and provide a buffer? Shouldn’t your assistant coaches be able to provide them with a way to communicate with the head coach? Aren't they supposed to pull kids aside and give them some support when they get called a pu*** for the fourth time or told repeatedly to shut the f*** up? Not this group. You're up to 11 it’s not over! 3-29: How long before the sheep start looking at the total mismanagement of the talent that was assembled, even if it wasn't talent that your “coach” brought in. Let's look at the fact that “no one” was willing or able to work with a 19 year old freshman PG that didn't WANT to leave, let alone leave mid-season! He showed up at every home game to support his brothers, but not one coach spoke to him after he was asked to leave the program when he let ADMB know his intentions to leave after this year. But now he’s the selfish mastermind behind a player who played NOT ONE SECOND this season, and the PL Rookie of the Year leaving? That statement might be the stand alone, dumbest thing any of you have said all year, and that's a mighty tall task. How about the wing that started out strong and then fell completely apart, did anyone ask him what the issue was? 3-29: Another wing, who fought back from illness and injury, only to be yanked in and out of the lineup, have his masculinity questioned, and then leave for personal reasons? Anyone checked on that young man yet? Didn’t think so. BV? He just wasn’t good enough for…THE PATRIOT LEAGUE? CN? Anyone ask him? Have any of you called JP? That’s what I thought. But keep denigrating them. Don’t gloss over the IRON MAN method of playing kids 40 minutes a night and refusing to adjust even though you're still getting hammered by 20-30-40 points. Don't you at least try to take a look at your bench occasionally to see if there are any serviceable pieces? Especially if you are getting plowed by 20+ every night anyway? Oh wait, that's being evaluated at the FULL practice 6 hours before the game starts. Shouldn’t someone develop an offense that allows you to utilize players strengths? Freelancing? How about no real guidance? You say you want to get out and "attack" but then you call a play every time down. Don’t you adjust to what you have instead of hammering something down the throats of those who clearly can’t do what you’re asking them to do? 3-29. If every kid fails a test, who’s at fault? Maybe you should evaluate the teaching approach. Or was this the master plan so when this exodus transpired, there was a ready-made excuse? “I had to get rid of them all because they either can't play or they can’t play the way I need them too.” Nope, let's not hold him or his "staff" accountable for ANYTHING! Let's continue to blame FCBC, even though the lead recruiter for most of these guys is still sitting on your bench? What has he done with the kids he essentially brought in and made so many promises too? NOT A DAMN THING! 3-29: At what point do you ask the adult in charge to be that: the ADULT in charge. Go ahead, trash me and my rant. Talk about how obnoxious I am, right? Yet I had parents of other players calling me about what was happening to my son on a regular basis. One dad said to me, “my kid told me no one deserves to be treated like your son was." My kid was cursed and called out of his name and only Kennedy and ADMB were man enough to call me back when asked about it. My kid is out, and I supported him leaving. If any of you had a kid in the program, being treated the way he was treated, not one of you pretentious blowhards would make them stay, especially if a coach lied to your face and then refused to return texts or call you back after repeated attempts. I've sat mute and watched many of you bash my kid and several others when you have no clue what they've gone through with this guy. I've watched you praise and then cast judgement on MH, DL, AB, MF, RW, CN, JR and even your precious, beloved JP. I recognize it isn’t all of you and I thank those of you who have supported him and the rest of the players. Some of you seem to actually know basketball and some of you understand, or at least try to understand what these kids are dealing with. Some of you can’t make a damn layup, but yet, somehow, you know it all. You’re a joke. Some of you should really think about what you say about someone’s son before you say it. Would you want someone speaking about your child in that fashion? I know you wouldn’t say it to my face, because when you had the chance, you walked the other way. Cowards hiding behind a keyboard talking #@*&$~! about kids. Kudos to you. They’re not perfect and we shouldn’t expect them to be. Think for just a moment about the things YOU did when you were in college. You just didn’t have social media to record it all. A lot of you wouldn’t be where you are now, up on that high horse, if your college life came back to visit you. Some of you are stuck in the Cousy/Heinsohn era and it’s long gone. You say these kids have no character, no loyalty, yet you, the “adults” turn on them like they just slapped your mothers or slept with your daughters. The reality is, they decided this was not what they signed up for and they are leaving HC behind. They came to play for better or for worse, for FCBC, and as one of you so gloriously posted when I mentioned the transfer portal after the Navy home game, you remember, the one where DL hit the game winner and your coach opened his press conference talking about the "great pass" that JP made…”well guess who’s not the g-d coach anymore?” You’re right, he’s not the coach anymore, and 11 kids are no longer apart of your program. Why belittle them? If you don’t like your job, you find a new one. That’s your right. Go where your skills are appreciated and you can flourish. They too, have the right to go where they feel they will be happier. I hope they all find it. The really conflicting thing is, I wish my son would have stuck it out somehow, figured out how to make it work, and gotten that HC degree because I believe in its value, but I’m over 50 and a little bit old school I guess. However, I don’t want it at the cost of his mental health or well-being. Ask KC, it's not worth it. Besides, it’s not really the paper, it’s what you do with it when you get it. Good luck on building on that 3-29. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, especially these kids...and yes, they're still kids, and they deserved better than what they got from HC this year. Finally!! More of this!!!! I can promise you why4, myself and now 35+ ex players are doing what we can to fix this situation. Thank you for your honesty. Jared Curry.
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Post by Crosser on Mar 8, 2023 17:19:50 GMT -5
Thank you, why4! Very enlightening!!
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why4
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Post by why4 on Mar 8, 2023 17:30:22 GMT -5
why4, as I told you when we spoke...I feel bad that you were so hurt as well as by what happened to your son. Does calling others names make you feel better? If it does then I guess it is cathartic, but I am afraid it still comes across as a bit cowardly. You, yourself, use that word "coward" pretty freely in an anonymous blog. I have to ask, if you still follow Crossports years after your son left HC, why? In spite of everything, I wish both of you well. I will state again, I appreciate everything Holy Cross potentially offered my kid and I hate that he couldn't stay. I don't follow the board. One of the athletes that left called Drew and told him "man they STILL hate you at HC." My son then called me wondering why, after all this time, is he still the bad guy after everything Nelson did to him and others? I deleted my post years ago because I have a lot of respect for you and many others there that helped my kid learn some valuable lessons. However, some of the people here are just flat out hateful and genuinely misinformed. Drew isn't the problem and hasn't been a problem anywhere else. He could have done some things differently or better at HC, but the adults in charge were culpable as well. I wasn't ready to sit by and let the people who know very little about my son continue to take shots at him.
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Post by dadominate on Mar 8, 2023 17:31:11 GMT -5
Shocking.
2-7 (0-2), 0-2 FT. Exceptional.
Brett Nelson is an ass, plain and simple. I was admonished the las time I posted here and I deleted it. I thought it better to just leave you to your thoughts and move on. Additionally, there are some REALLY great people at Holy Cross and I didn't feel it was necessary to lump everyone together. But for "hchoops" and a couple others, you're you have no real idea what you're talking about. Well I've got time today, and you can say whatever you wish about me afterwards, most of you cowards will anyway. Bottom line is my kid has had some struggles, gone through some adversity, and grown as a student, as a man and as a player. However, some of you insists on continuing to denigrate his character. Yeah, it was Nelson who did everything he could to keep Drew from playing D1 basketball again. He went out of his way to make calls to schools that expressed an interest in Drew. That's ridiculous. He called him a cancer, a loser and alluded to him being a "pot head." The epitome of a bully with connections. My son missed MEALS at Holy Cross because of Nelson, but hey, that's your guy...lol (or at least it was). My son didn't quit on his teammates, in fact, he still communicates with almost all of them. He was told profanely that he didn't have a future in the program...so he left the program; and still finished the semester. He was never the problem at HC, but he definitely took the hit. As for EMU, the new coach said he was flipping the roster and told everyone to hit the portal...in September. No reports of Lowder being a bad kid, teammate or person. Hmmmm... Just a new coach bringing in new players. Three players stayed and one left the following year. Drew goes the juco route, gets his associates degree while being named All American and leading the nation in scoring. No reports of him being a bad kid, lousy teammate or horrible person. Hmmmm... He gets an offer from Tarleton State that he accepts. Until Brett Nelson makes a call and now they're not so sure if he's a good fit. The kid has been gone for two years and you're still making calls to belittle him? That's an asshole move if ever there was one. Now he's found a home, he's happy, playing decent most nights, has over a 3.3 GPA, has secured a summer internship with the Cavaliers. Coach speaks glowingly of how he's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was told by...hold up...wait for it...Brett Nelson. Yet some of you still want to make disparaging comments about him. Some of you are nothing short of pathetic. Oh, and Tom, since you seem to be pocket watching, Drew hasn't spent any time paying for his education, unless you mean time in the gym. As far as money...we've had to pay for two summer classes. How many did you pay for your kids? Drew is not perfect, I don't expect him to be. He's a young man who is growing and learning to be better each day. Brett Nelson will never get another D1 coaching job and he doesn't deserve one. He's not good for kids. I really hope your new AD finds a great coach. As previously stated, there are a lot of great people there and they deserve better...even those of you who clearly have an issue with my kid deserve better than Brett Nelson. There you have it...bash away, but stop bashing my kid. He's growing up and so should some of you. I told you three years ago... Just another way that “Holy” Cross demonstrated how much it cared about its student-athletes. The carnage of this "program" ain't over. There's more to this exodus coming...just wait. Until then, let's recap quickly... A list of the players who have left and what your coach or some of you “fans” have said about them since they left. Grandison (problem child, we don't need him) Green (must have been scared of the competition...lol, we don't need him) Neither of them can be “blamed” on Nelson, but he clearly wasn’t very interested in keeping them. _______________________ Lovisolo (not really a D1 player so it doesn't matter, we don't need him) Lowder (attitude problem, wouldn't adapt to the "culture" too “selfish” we don't need him) Hargis (became a scrub mid-season, with his position less ass, we don't need him) Copeland (he's not coming back to play, he’s a head case, we don't need him) Sandy (never played a single second, must be a scrub with an attitude problem, we don't need him) Yeutter (low skill set, not really a D1 player, we don't need him) Verbeek (physically weak, not really a D1 player, we don't need him) Niego (not as good as the new recruits, and over values his worth, we don't need him) Joe P (featured on a horrible team, he “used” us, he’s so disloyal, this one may hurt, nah we don’t need him) Not a math major, but I think that's 11; and counting. But hey, don't look at the person running the show, or his staff. Let's continue to blame FCBC. Or better yet, keep blaming the kids. Who you gonna blame when the next two or three leave? What happens if/when kids start de-committing? It must be the ‘Rona Virus! They have awful attitudes! They're not really D1 players! They're all murderous drug dealers or dope smokers that won't conform to the Holy Cross culture! Good riddance! Some of you love to bash FCBC, but he never went 3-29, even with a "#@*&$~!ty" roster. I don't care what any of you say, he would have won double digit games with this team. Book it; double digit wins. Hell, Kennedy would have won more games with this roster if given a chance. 3-29: Hopefully ADMB (a great guy by the way) and HCBN can get it turned around for you. You've got what appears to be a pretty solid recruiting class, so you may bounce back to respectability fairly quickly, especially if they gel early. Maybe not. Good luck. Right now, however, you're not a real D1 program. You're program is laughable, as are many of you. 3-29: You lose 3 or 4 players, go ahead, chalk it up to the current circumstances in the world, kids wanting to be closer to home, kid’s bad attitudes, loose NCAA guidelines and FCBC not recruiting well enough for the PATRIOT LEAGUE (insert joke here). You lose 6 or 7, start looking at your assistant coaches. If kids don't "like" HCBN, or are homesick, or just need someone to listen, shouldn't your assistants be able to smooth some things out and provide a buffer? Shouldn’t your assistant coaches be able to provide them with a way to communicate with the head coach? Aren't they supposed to pull kids aside and give them some support when they get called a pu*** for the fourth time or told repeatedly to shut the f*** up? Not this group. You're up to 11 it’s not over! 3-29: How long before the sheep start looking at the total mismanagement of the talent that was assembled, even if it wasn't talent that your “coach” brought in. Let's look at the fact that “no one” was willing or able to work with a 19 year old freshman PG that didn't WANT to leave, let alone leave mid-season! He showed up at every home game to support his brothers, but not one coach spoke to him after he was asked to leave the program when he let ADMB know his intentions to leave after this year. But now he’s the selfish mastermind behind a player who played NOT ONE SECOND this season, and the PL Rookie of the Year leaving? That statement might be the stand alone, dumbest thing any of you have said all year, and that's a mighty tall task. How about the wing that started out strong and then fell completely apart, did anyone ask him what the issue was? 3-29: Another wing, who fought back from illness and injury, only to be yanked in and out of the lineup, have his masculinity questioned, and then leave for personal reasons? Anyone checked on that young man yet? Didn’t think so. BV? He just wasn’t good enough for…THE PATRIOT LEAGUE? CN? Anyone ask him? Have any of you called JP? That’s what I thought. But keep denigrating them. Don’t gloss over the IRON MAN method of playing kids 40 minutes a night and refusing to adjust even though you're still getting hammered by 20-30-40 points. Don't you at least try to take a look at your bench occasionally to see if there are any serviceable pieces? Especially if you are getting plowed by 20+ every night anyway? Oh wait, that's being evaluated at the FULL practice 6 hours before the game starts. Shouldn’t someone develop an offense that allows you to utilize players strengths? Freelancing? How about no real guidance? You say you want to get out and "attack" but then you call a play every time down. Don’t you adjust to what you have instead of hammering something down the throats of those who clearly can’t do what you’re asking them to do? 3-29. If every kid fails a test, who’s at fault? Maybe you should evaluate the teaching approach. Or was this the master plan so when this exodus transpired, there was a ready-made excuse? “I had to get rid of them all because they either can't play or they can’t play the way I need them too.” Nope, let's not hold him or his "staff" accountable for ANYTHING! Let's continue to blame FCBC, even though the lead recruiter for most of these guys is still sitting on your bench? What has he done with the kids he essentially brought in and made so many promises too? NOT A DAMN THING! 3-29: At what point do you ask the adult in charge to be that: the ADULT in charge. Go ahead, trash me and my rant. Talk about how obnoxious I am, right? Yet I had parents of other players calling me about what was happening to my son on a regular basis. One dad said to me, “my kid told me no one deserves to be treated like your son was." My kid was cursed and called out of his name and only Kennedy and ADMB were man enough to call me back when asked about it. My kid is out, and I supported him leaving. If any of you had a kid in the program, being treated the way he was treated, not one of you pretentious blowhards would make them stay, especially if a coach lied to your face and then refused to return texts or call you back after repeated attempts. I've sat mute and watched many of you bash my kid and several others when you have no clue what they've gone through with this guy. I've watched you praise and then cast judgement on MH, DL, AB, MF, RW, CN, JR and even your precious, beloved JP. I recognize it isn’t all of you and I thank those of you who have supported him and the rest of the players. Some of you seem to actually know basketball and some of you understand, or at least try to understand what these kids are dealing with. Some of you can’t make a damn layup, but yet, somehow, you know it all. You’re a joke. Some of you should really think about what you say about someone’s son before you say it. Would you want someone speaking about your child in that fashion? I know you wouldn’t say it to my face, because when you had the chance, you walked the other way. Cowards hiding behind a keyboard talking #@*&$~! about kids. Kudos to you. They’re not perfect and we shouldn’t expect them to be. Think for just a moment about the things YOU did when you were in college. You just didn’t have social media to record it all. A lot of you wouldn’t be where you are now, up on that high horse, if your college life came back to visit you. Some of you are stuck in the Cousy/Heinsohn era and it’s long gone. You say these kids have no character, no loyalty, yet you, the “adults” turn on them like they just slapped your mothers or slept with your daughters. The reality is, they decided this was not what they signed up for and they are leaving HC behind. They came to play for better or for worse, for FCBC, and as one of you so gloriously posted when I mentioned the transfer portal after the Navy home game, you remember, the one where DL hit the game winner and your coach opened his press conference talking about the "great pass" that JP made…”well guess who’s not the g-d coach anymore?” You’re right, he’s not the coach anymore, and 11 kids are no longer apart of your program. Why belittle them? If you don’t like your job, you find a new one. That’s your right. Go where your skills are appreciated and you can flourish. They too, have the right to go where they feel they will be happier. I hope they all find it. The really conflicting thing is, I wish my son would have stuck it out somehow, figured out how to make it work, and gotten that HC degree because I believe in its value, but I’m over 50 and a little bit old school I guess. However, I don’t want it at the cost of his mental health or well-being. Ask KC, it's not worth it. Besides, it’s not really the paper, it’s what you do with it when you get it. Good luck on building on that 3-29. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, especially these kids...and yes, they're still kids, and they deserved better than what they got from HC this year. this post confirms the suspicions i had all along and is all the more evidence that we should have moved on to new leadership already. thanks for offering your honest perspective and best wishes to drew, who almost all of us recognized as a great player and a big loss to the program.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 8, 2023 17:35:56 GMT -5
If this is accurate? Wow! Time for Hughes to give the bully coach the bum's rush as evidently the coach did to the young men. Maybe, use the comment by WHY4 as an introduction to a petition demanding Nelson's ouster. Pass the petition among alums, students & friends of HC. I'm old, in & out but I would sign it. Maybe set up a poll on this board to start. I had questioned Nelson's inability to hold onto so many players. Now I know why. Nelson must go, Now!
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 8, 2023 18:47:23 GMT -5
why4, as I told you when we spoke...I feel bad that you were so hurt as well as by what happened to your son. Does calling others names make you feel better? If it does then I guess it is cathartic, but I am afraid it still comes across as a bit cowardly. You, yourself, use that word "coward" pretty freely in an anonymous blog. I have to ask, if you still follow Crossports years after your son left HC, why? In spite of everything, I wish both of you well. I will state again, I appreciate everything Holy Cross potentially offered my kid and I hate that he couldn't stay. I don't follow the board. One of the athletes that left called Drew and told him "man they STILL hate you at HC." My son then called me wondering why, after all this time, is he still the bad guy after everything Nelson did to him and others? I deleted my post years ago because I have a lot of respect for you and many others there that helped my kid learn some valuable lessons. However, some of the people here are just flat out hateful and genuinely misinformed. Drew isn't the problem and hasn't been a problem anywhere else. He could have done some things differently or better at HC, but the adults in charge were culpable as well. I wasn't ready to sit by and let the people who know very little about my son continue to take shots at him. Thank you for that explanation. As both an official and a coach I try to not get upset with parents when they seek to defend a child and that was clearly what appeared to motivate you...both then and now. But I feel you may have gone a bit over the top with the way you threw out "cowards" as you did. I do wish people would stop posting about former HC players. I don't see that as working to anyone's benefit. I also do not like it when people pass on second hand comments/insults they say they heard/saw - making them now third hand. Even if true, how does that benefit anyone? If it does, i just don't see it. I truly wish things had worked out better for Drew and for Ryan. Both have talent and things could have worked out differently in ways that might have benefitted all parties. Whoever was responsible for the treatment they received clearly could have done a better jobm with how things were handled. The way you worded this most recent post was certainly fair and, yes, there is enough responsibility to go around for what happened. I do wish the best in the future for you and all athletes (and parents) who left the HC program. You are all in my prayers. PS: My late maternal grandmother frequently admonished me to "Never say hate." I must admit I hated it when she said that  In the long run, I saw the value in what she said. It is a word I do try to avoid - along with terms linked to it, such as "hateful" or "hate filled"
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 8, 2023 19:31:19 GMT -5
Perfectly OK to praise accomplishments of former HC players, e.g. Avery, Jacob, Austin, and Drew who is playing and starting for a D1 team after some ups and downs. It's Freudenfreude.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 8, 2023 19:50:42 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 8, 2023 19:50:57 GMT -5
Praising HC "graduates" is totaslly different both for them and for us...as fellow HC alumni/ae.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2023 20:06:26 GMT -5
That is possible. Of course, in his travels the "former coach" may not have been from Holy Cross. That type of vague accusation would not have flown on my high school debate team. You had to produce a quote physically cut out of a Newsweek or Time Magazine or Boston Globe and kept in your little recipe file box before you could use it to prove your case.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 8, 2023 20:06:28 GMT -5
Colgate up 26-15 with 7 mins left in 1st half
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 8, 2023 20:35:25 GMT -5
Why4, you, us and Drew will always have the Maryland game when your son shocked the world. How much eligibility does he have left? I think we will be more attuned to rooting for him next season now that you've given us "the rest of the story," as Paul Harvey used to say.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2023 20:52:26 GMT -5
56-46 Colgate 11:30:left
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2023 21:16:43 GMT -5
Graphic on the Colgate game about this win for Langel ties RW’s 4 PL championships and 3 in a row.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 8, 2023 21:24:52 GMT -5
Graphic on the Colgate game about this win for Langel ties RW’s 4 PL championships and 3 in a row. And Colgate ties HC and Bucknell with most overall conference tournament titles at 6. Let that sink in.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 8, 2023 21:28:44 GMT -5
79-61 final Tucker Richardson’s first triple double
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 8, 2023 21:32:15 GMT -5
79-61 final Tucker Richardson’s first triple double And Colgate's first since Foyle. Oops, we're both watching the same game so you already know.
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Post by Crosser on Mar 8, 2023 23:56:37 GMT -5
Why4, you, us and Drew will always have the Maryland game when your son shocked the world. How much eligibility does he have left? I think we will be more attuned to rooting for him next season now that you've given us "the rest of the story," as Paul Harvey used to say. I've always rooted for Drew - along with all the other HC "departees" we've had over the years - we've had way too many. That Maryland debut was truly amazing. It seems to me that if the coaches go through all the evaluations and due diligence that must be involved in the recruiting process then everyone in the athletic department should be doing everything they can to support and nurture these young athletes to reach their maximum potential - on and off the court. I don't believe that's been happening the past few years.
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Post by fillfittonfield on Mar 9, 2023 0:43:37 GMT -5
LaSalle moves on to face Fordham in the A-10 quarterfinals tomorrow night at the prime time slot (7:30 PM). Should be a fun game between two teams that exceeded expectations this season (IMHO).
NYCrusader - will you be headed to the game?
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