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Post by oldschoolhoops on Dec 3, 2022 21:02:37 GMT -5
Bucknell has played a tough OOC schedule as we discussed before. But at 4-5 they don't seem to have their footing yet. Certainly will get better though. Boston U is talented and balanced too but they seem a bit off so far as well. BC being a bit down this year makes their BU game interesting as you say. Long way to go. Just seems like the Crusaders are the most solid so far.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 4, 2022 16:08:38 GMT -5
Watched a chunk of the BU-BC game very different than the game vs HC (BC 52-42), which was a defensive battle - not much D today BC beats BU 90-80. Similarly, was a very close game throughout, BC finishing on a 12-2 run to reflect the final score. BC operated with a very short bench only 8 players available & BU's Weimar was also out with an injury. Bu is quick, big & loves the 3 ball, of which they make a lot of (11/17 ) and nearly perfect from the line (17/18), but turned it over a bunch(23).
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 4, 2022 20:06:44 GMT -5
Columbia led Lafayette 69-17 after 3 qtrs today before showing mercy in the 4th. The Princeton- Columbia games this year will be battles But an embarrassment for a schollie PL team and it should not happen Columbia has basically their ENTIRE team back. They have UMass next Saturday which is a huge mid-major game. I am more shocked Columbia even scheduled Lafayette.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 4, 2022 20:33:45 GMT -5
Columbia beat Marist 103-49 a couple of days earlier. I think Lafayette was a 2 game series, CU played at Lay last year
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 4, 2022 20:44:58 GMT -5
Columbia beat Marist 103-49 a couple of days earlier. I think Lafayette was a 2 game series, CU played at Lay last year The Columbia coach openly called out the other Ivy League teams during the conference tournament for soft scheduling so it is interesting that she had some "soft" games.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 6, 2022 21:25:15 GMT -5
Bison lose a tough one in OT to a good Penn team 68-62. Although Penn is only 4-5, all there losses have been to rated in the top 100 by Massey, have a killer OOC schedule
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 6, 2022 22:49:35 GMT -5
After losing to Columbia by abt 60, Lafayette was getting ready to host Notre Dame on Thursday - a very curious scheduling decision - well, the game has been postponed (cancelled ?) due to health and safety reasons with the Leopards team (they only dressed 8 players vs. Columbia)
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 7, 2022 9:38:46 GMT -5
Another unfortunate example of a bad PL team getting embarrassed last night when winless (0-8) AU lost by 41 to Villanova- transition from Megan Gebbia seems to be a difficult one
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Post by HC13 on Dec 7, 2022 12:11:19 GMT -5
Another unfortunate example of a bad PL team getting embarrassed last night when winless (0-8) AU lost by 41 to Villanova- transition from Megan Gebbia seems to be a difficult one I think the loss of all the grad seniors who were originally going to stay but who left (to DePaul, North Dakota TCU & OSU), a killer schedule (ranked 60) & a late hire in Coll have added to their problems.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2022 12:16:53 GMT -5
Ehhh, we have enough problems worrying (well, maybe there's a better verb) about our own team than concern about any other PL team.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2022 12:41:18 GMT -5
Ehhh, we have enough problems worrying (well, maybe there's a better verb) about our own team than concern about any other PL team. With one undefeated team in a major sport in the quarterfinals of an NCAA tournament and another team among the three PL revenue sports of FB, MBB, WBB (or do they sell tickets for lacrosse or soccer at some PL schools?) sitting at 6-2 and undefeated against mid-majors, HC has less to "worry" about than some other PL schools. Especially with HC's third PL revenue sport on a one game winning streak.🤣
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 7, 2022 13:05:10 GMT -5
Another unfortunate example of a bad PL team getting embarrassed last night when winless (0-8) AU lost by 41 to Villanova- transition from Megan Gebbia seems to be a difficult one Villanova is ranked in the backend of the top 25
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2022 13:11:09 GMT -5
HC had good balance this OOC schedule, two P-6 teams that weren't so strong that the games were just a blowout, one D-3 who pushed HC, and a mid major slate that will help prepare for similar PL teams.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Dec 7, 2022 13:22:50 GMT -5
Every contending team should have an interest in the success of the league's out of conference schedule. The champion of a weak league could end up a 15- or 16-seed in the ncaa tournament instead of a 14. That's a huge difference for a PL team looking to pull a big upset. I realize not every team in the league is a consistent contender for the league championship, but fans of the Bucknells, Lehighs, Boston Univs and Crusaders of the world should be rooting for these other schools. Because a poor OOC performance means that our league representative is going to have to play a UConn type team instead of a Marquette. We're in it together as far as the OOC goes.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2022 16:34:52 GMT -5
Back in the 1980s HC FB started beating more than losing to both the regional State Universities and the Ivies we played.
At the time it seemed logical that a scholarship to Holy Cross was worth more dollars than one to a State University where tuition was lower and attending an Ivy meant many families would have to pay a decent amount.
Now the Ivies cost very little for most families and I sense that non-Ivy level liberal arts colleges aren't as much in vogue these days, with people more focused on pre-professional education in exchange for their four years of time.
So it's a challenge for PL schools to recruit against their traditional OOC foes, but Coaches Magarity and Chesney are doing it well imo.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 7, 2022 19:03:13 GMT -5
Every contending team should have an interest in the success of the league's out of conference schedule. The champion of a weak league could end up a 15- or 16-seed in the ncaa tournament instead of a 14. That's a huge difference for a PL team looking to pull a big upset. I realize not every team in the league is a consistent contender for the league championship, but fans of the Bucknells, Lehighs, Boston Univs and Crusaders of the world should be rooting for these other schools. Because a poor OOC performance means that our league representative is going to have to play a UConn type team instead of a Marquette. We're in it together as far as the OOC goes. You make a very important point. And beyond the quality of the first round opponent is the women's tournament format. The top 16 teams host four-team pods the first weekend while the bottom 16 have to play a top four seed on their home court in the opener. So if you get a 13-16 seed, as PL teams usually do, you play a very strong team on their home court. But if you can get a 12 seed or better, you play your first game on a neutral court vs a somewhat weaker team (likely a 5 or 6 seed). As an example, look at the Bucknell teams of 2017 and 2019. In 2017, they went 27-5 (16-2 in the PL) and won the PL tournament. Didn't get much respect from the NCAA committee and ended up as a 14 seed playing at Maryland, who at the time was #4 in the nation and should have been better than a 3 seed (34-2 record and Big Ten champs, with only losses to UConn and at OSU). Bucknell got blown out by 30+ points. Two years later, they had a similar team: 28-5 (16-2 in PL) and again won the PL tournament. They got a lot more respect this time, maybe because their schedule was slightly harder, maybe because they had put together four really good seasons in a row. Anyway, they ended up as a 12 seed, facing #5 Florida State on a neutral court. Could easily have won and had two open threes to tie the game in the final five seconds. Unfortunately were outrebounded 44-23 or they might have been an easy winner. In any event, playing a #5 seed on a neutral court was a MUCH easier task than to have been playing a 4 seed in their own building. Had they been a 13 seed in the same bracket, they would have opened with powerhouse South Carolina on their home court.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 8, 2022 0:04:25 GMT -5
Every contending team should have an interest in the success of the league's out of conference schedule. The champion of a weak league could end up a 15- or 16-seed in the ncaa tournament instead of a 14. That's a huge difference for a PL team looking to pull a big upset. I realize not every team in the league is a consistent contender for the league championship, but fans of the Bucknells, Lehighs, Boston Univs and Crusaders of the world should be rooting for these other schools. Because a poor OOC performance means that our league representative is going to have to play a UConn type team instead of a Marquette. We're in it together as far as the OOC goes. You make a very important point. And beyond the quality of the first round opponent is the women's tournament format. The top 16 teams host four-team pods the first weekend while the bottom 16 have to play a top four seed on their home court in the opener. So if you get a 13-16 seed, as PL teams usually do, you play a very strong team on their home court. But if you can get a 12 seed or better, you play your first game on a neutral court vs a somewhat weaker team (likely a 5 or 6 seed). As an example, look at the Bucknell teams of 2017 and 2019. In 2017, they went 27-5 (16-2 in the PL) and won the PL tournament. Didn't get much respect from the NCAA committee and ended up as a 14 seed playing at Maryland, who at the time was #4 in the nation and should have been better than a 3 seed (34-2 record and Big Ten champs, with only losses to UConn and at OSU). Bucknell got blown out by 30+ points. Two years later, they had a similar team: 28-5 (16-2 in PL) and again won the PL tournament. They got a lot more respect this time, maybe because their schedule was slightly harder, maybe because they had put together four really good seasons in a row. Anyway, they ended up as a 12 seed, facing #5 Florida State on a neutral court. Could easily have won and had two open threes to tie the game in the final five seconds. Unfortunately were outrebounded 44-23 or they might have been an easy winner. In any event, playing a #5 seed on a neutral court was a MUCH easier task than to have been playing a 4 seed in their own building. Had they been a 13 seed in the same bracket, they would have opened with powerhouse South Carolina on their home court. If Bucknell had beat Florida State, they would have had to face four seed on the home court in the round of 32. Still a tough task.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 8, 2022 1:07:51 GMT -5
You make a very important point. And beyond the quality of the first round opponent is the women's tournament format. The top 16 teams host four-team pods the first weekend while the bottom 16 have to play a top four seed on their home court in the opener. So if you get a 13-16 seed, as PL teams usually do, you play a very strong team on their home court. But if you can get a 12 seed or better, you play your first game on a neutral court vs a somewhat weaker team (likely a 5 or 6 seed). As an example, look at the Bucknell teams of 2017 and 2019. In 2017, they went 27-5 (16-2 in the PL) and won the PL tournament. Didn't get much respect from the NCAA committee and ended up as a 14 seed playing at Maryland, who at the time was #4 in the nation and should have been better than a 3 seed (34-2 record and Big Ten champs, with only losses to UConn and at OSU). Bucknell got blown out by 30+ points. Two years later, they had a similar team: 28-5 (16-2 in PL) and again won the PL tournament. They got a lot more respect this time, maybe because their schedule was slightly harder, maybe because they had put together four really good seasons in a row. Anyway, they ended up as a 12 seed, facing #5 Florida State on a neutral court. Could easily have won and had two open threes to tie the game in the final five seconds. Unfortunately were outrebounded 44-23 or they might have been an easy winner. In any event, playing a #5 seed on a neutral court was a MUCH easier task than to have been playing a 4 seed in their own building. Had they been a 13 seed in the same bracket, they would have opened with powerhouse South Carolina on their home court. If Bucknell had beat Florida State, they would have had to face four seed on the home court in the round of 32. Still a tough task. Yes, I referred to that out in my post. But it’s a big difference winning a first round game and then facing a top seed in the second round - as opposed to being beaten badly in round one and immediately heading home. There would’ve been celebrations all over the patriot league had Bucknell ended up winning that game, as no PL team has ever won an NCAA tournament game in women’s basketball since they stopped giving byes to the top 16 teams in the early 90’s.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 12, 2022 11:13:22 GMT -5
As we head into the exam break, the league is struggling with HC (8-2) and BU (5-4) the only teams with a winning record the bottom 5 teams, Leh, AWP, Laf, AU and Navy have a combined 5-40 record vs.D.1 schools - WOW - reminds me of the ineptitude with PL football after HC and Fordham
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Post by bison137 on Dec 12, 2022 12:16:21 GMT -5
As we head into the exam break, the league is struggling with HC (8-2) and BU (5-4) the only teams with a winning record the bottom 5 teams, Leh, AWP, Laf, AU and Navy have a combined 5-40 record vs.D.1 schools - WOW - reminds me of the ineptitude with PL football after HC and Fordham Yes, Lehigh is a bottom five if viewed strictly by record - but they are a top four if strength of schedule is factored in. Their schedule ranks as the third most difficult in the PL, after American and Bucknell. I will be surprised if they aren't a contender. Current Massey rankings: 165 Holy Cross 186 Bucknell 202 Boston Univ 222 Lehigh 288 Colgate 302 Loyola MD 308 Lafayette 309 American Univ 314 Army 353 Navy
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 12, 2022 12:20:15 GMT -5
As we head into the exam break, the league is struggling with HC (8-2) and BU (5-4) the only teams with a winning record the bottom 5 teams, Leh, AWP, Laf, AU and Navy have a combined 5-40 record vs.D.1 schools - WOW - reminds me of the ineptitude with PL football after HC and Fordham Holy Cross is 7-2 vs D-1 teams...
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Post by HC13 on Dec 12, 2022 12:40:24 GMT -5
As we head into the exam break, the league is struggling with HC (8-2) and BU (5-4) the only teams with a winning record the bottom 5 teams, Leh, AWP, Laf, AU and Navy have a combined 5-40 record vs.D.1 schools - WOW - reminds me of the ineptitude with PL football after HC and Fordham Yes, Lehigh is a bottom five if viewed strictly by record - but they are a top four if strength of schedule is factored in. Their schedule ranks as the third most difficult in the PL, after American and Bucknell. I will be surprised if they aren't a contender. Current Massey rankings: 165 Holy Cross 186 Bucknell 202 Boston Univ 222 Lehigh 288 Colgate 302 Loyola MD 308 Lafayette 309 American Univ 314 Army 353 Navy I also wonder about American, as they do have the toughest schedule, although it appears they are in full rebuild mode with new coach & players. HC has played a soft OOC, but to their credit no bad loses & have not been thumped, Marquette was a good game & probably should have beaten BC. Bottom half of PL is pretty bad so far.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -5
To go 7-0 vs mid majors and 0-2 vs P-6 teams seems less usual than a PL team upsetting a major conference team on occasion but being up and down against regional mid majors. The glimpse of potential and then falling short has been far too typical as an HC sports fan.
Now we have two HC programs winning the games they should win. It's refreshing.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 13, 2022 18:01:17 GMT -5
Watched the 2nd half of BU @ Yale, close in the first half, Yale pulls away in the 2nd half final Yale 58-46. BU did not look very good, Sydney Johnson struggled. they miss Weimar.
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Post by oldschoolhoops on Dec 13, 2022 18:19:14 GMT -5
Watched the 2nd half of BU @ Yale, close in the first half, Yale pulls away in the 2nd half final Yale 58-46. BU did not look very good, Sydney Johnson struggled. they miss Weimar. The coaching at Boston U needs to improve
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