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Harvard
Dec 1, 2022 14:43:56 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2022 14:43:56 GMT -5
Outstanding, pc! So happy to hear. Can we expect that he will be moving on to your Providence College since he's "moving on up" as the Jefferson's used to say. Get him while you can as you think he's going to be a hot commodity.
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Harvard
Dec 1, 2022 17:04:50 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 1, 2022 17:04:50 GMT -5
To be brutally honest, it's more than several; it's the majority. I should have worded my post differently. I meant that no one would leave because they were disillusioned due to the coach leaving on his own or getting fired. There seems to be a very weak relationship there. They could certainly leave to go to other schools that want them, as the penalties these days are non-existent (except for someone like Octave or Tse that's already transferred once). But, as an attorney might say, "I object, your honor; that's assuming facts not yet in evidence".
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Harvard
Dec 1, 2022 19:26:30 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Dec 1, 2022 19:26:30 GMT -5
I did not watch the game last night, and when I saw the score this morning, I was shocked.
To follow our Colby-Sawyer "game" by losing in this way, by this much, on our home floor, to this opponent is shocking. I never thought I would see anything like this. Things are much worse than I realized.
I agree with those who have called for a change sooner rather than later. The Coup de grace was when Brett Nelson did that interview after the game and threw his players under the bus. This entire shambles is his responsibility. If we do not act, it will send a powerful message that this is acceptable.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 1, 2022 20:16:56 GMT -5
He really did not throw them UTB. His most grievious fault, IMO is wasting two scholarships in the transfer portal. We could use a couple more Austins.
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pcfriar
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Post by pcfriar on Dec 1, 2022 20:25:38 GMT -5
Outstanding, pc! So happy to hear. Can we expect that he will be moving on to your Providence College since he's "moving on up" as the Jefferson's used to say. Get him while you can as you think he's going to be a hot commodity. My attempt at gallows humor. We could use a shooting guard - BN probably has a Covid year left. We’ll give him some NLI $$.
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Harvard
Dec 1, 2022 20:29:39 GMT -5
Post by mm67 on Dec 1, 2022 20:29:39 GMT -5
Suspect Nelson knows his time at HC is coming to an end. In a sense he must feel liberated, free to be more direct in his statements. Wish him well on the next steps of his life's journey. Obviously this is pure conjecture, nonsense(?)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2022 20:41:20 GMT -5
He really did not throw them UTB. His most grievious fault, IMO is wasting two scholarships in the transfer portal. We could use a couple more Austins. Amen, brother!
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Harvard
Dec 1, 2022 20:45:43 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Dec 1, 2022 20:45:43 GMT -5
If Nelson is fired after the last game, players will enter the portal well before a new coach is named. The new coach will have to recruit those, if any, he wants to remain. That is if they have not committed to another school by then. They wont enter the portal, you can trust in that. Obviously, you have a different perspective on this than most of us. I'm curious why you feel that way. I just feel that now, the first thing that happens with a coaching change is mass players jumping into the portal
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2022 20:49:01 GMT -5
They wont enter the portal, you can trust in that. Obviously, you have a different perspective on this than most of us. I'm curious why you feel that way. I just feel that now, the first thing that happens with a coaching change is mass players jumping into the portal The thought is that several guys on this team are fringe D1 players, so if they were to enter the portal there's a good chance they won't find a home.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 1, 2022 21:38:27 GMT -5
Just look at this board - how many regular posters do we have under the age of 30? Is there a single current student out there who posts? There is no loyalty now; I really can't blame students for not getting engaged and connected with their teams, not just at HC. Ralph Willard seems like a generation ago at this point.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 1, 2022 22:49:00 GMT -5
They wont enter the portal, you can trust in that. Obviously, you have a different perspective on this than most of us. I'm curious why you feel that way. I just feel that now, the first thing that happens with a coaching change is mass players jumping into the portal I think Jaredcurry is trying to say those players know they have no market for their services, at least at the D1 level.
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Post by jaredcurry on Dec 2, 2022 0:06:05 GMT -5
Bingo.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 2, 2022 0:11:07 GMT -5
Montgomery is really the only kid on our rostah that could definitely play elsewhere next year.....
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Post by sluka4heisman on Dec 2, 2022 0:26:52 GMT -5
Nelson definitely needs to go. But it is not entirely his fault. I mean we just do not shoot well. Had three or four looks vs Harvard to break the rough open; couple of open threes, and easy baskets we should have made. We have the talent, but for some reason they are just not performing. Don't know if you can blame that on him.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 2, 2022 1:14:33 GMT -5
Nelson definitely needs to go. But it is not entirely his fault. I mean we just do not shoot well. Had three or four looks vs Harvard to break the rough open; couple of open threes, and easy baskets we should have made. We have the talent, but for some reason they are just not performing. Don't know if you can blame that on him. If they keep missing open shots then clearly they do not have the talent. "we just do not shoot well" is an indictment of the coach for sure. Any player can have an off night with "shots not falling", but over the course of enough games it becomes clear who can shoot and who cannot.
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Harvard
Dec 2, 2022 1:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 2, 2022 1:54:51 GMT -5
Those were great games He could recruit, prepare, and adjust League was multiple times better than it is today Need a new coach and a new league asap, I don't buy the academic association nonsense- our academic standing doesn't need the other carpetbaggers Does it hurt Vanderbilt in the classroom to be in the SEC or Northwestern in the Big 10? You realize Holy Cross would be the carpet bagger if we pulled out of one league and went to another. Not the PL schools that remained loyal to each other and the league. Also name the league that would take Holy Cross right now and the advantages of joining that league that outweigh the disruption of changing leagues and being the furst school to leave the PL this century. I can't think of any league that meets those parameters. I don't think the Big East or A-10 would take us and the other regional leagues are at best a push when evaluating all factors. I find your concept of an NCAA "Big Bang" that blows up current league and Division configurations as we know them is intriguing but would also offer the possibility of HC not being picked as a dance partner by the popular kids (schools) everyone wants to be associated with. I'd like to see a rising tide lift all boats in the PL. HC is doing it's part in football to advance the league. Let's use that success formula in other sports. I just noticed I'm following a Foley post but am meaning to respond to the prior post of EFG 72 and interested in his thoughts about specific current alternative leagues. Of course Foley might have some thoughts, too given he works for many schools in many leagues.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 2, 2022 6:35:35 GMT -5
Just look at this board - how many regular posters do we have under the age of 30? Is there a single current student out there who posts? There is no loyalty now; I really can't blame students for not getting engaged and connected with their teams, not just at HC. Ralph Willard seems like a generation ago at this point. Stick around - you may end up being the one to turn the lights out on this whole thing.
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Harvard
Dec 2, 2022 7:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 2, 2022 7:57:04 GMT -5
Nelson definitely needs to go. But it is not entirely his fault. I mean we just do not shoot well. Had three or four looks vs Harvard to break the rough open; couple of open threes, and easy baskets we should have made. We have the talent, but for some reason they are just not performing. Don't know if you can blame that on him. He recruited every player on the team.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 2, 2022 8:01:08 GMT -5
Figuratively, on Coach Nelson's desk: "The buck stops here."
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2022 8:33:37 GMT -5
Brett, it is time to fall on your sword. Hopefully the good money you’ve been paid as a head coach and a young age has been invested well in order to be able to take care of your family between jobs. Now, do your players and Holy Cross fans a favor and resign.
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Harvard
Dec 2, 2022 8:37:42 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2022 8:37:42 GMT -5
And to the poster above who is trying to give Nelson a waiver because the guys aren’t hitting their shots:
It is 100% on the coach if his players consistently cannot hit open shots instead of an occasional bad game. That’s not the case here. The one consistency of this team is poor shooting.
They are not going to all of a sudden start being good shooters. It doesn’t work that way.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 2, 2022 9:03:31 GMT -5
And to the poster above who is trying to give Nelson a waiver because the guys aren’t hitting their shots: It is 100% on the coach if his players consistently cannot hit open shots instead of an occasional bad game. That’s not the case here. The one consistency of this team is poor shooting. HC can hit shots against non-D1 teams, just not against our peers. 24-46 3PT - 52% 46-90 2PT - 51% Against D1 teams: 31% 3PT and 43.6% 2PT
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Post by Tom on Dec 2, 2022 9:34:41 GMT -5
Thank you. Just curious what the logic was given your position as a former player. Now I know. I will say HC has had a few players who entered the portal with no D-I market for their services. Maybe our current batch is more self aware, but there are kids out there who have an inflated opinion of their basketball skill. Perhaps this should be covered in the examination phase of the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius.
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Harvard
Dec 2, 2022 18:56:42 GMT -5
Post by alumni111 on Dec 2, 2022 18:56:42 GMT -5
And to the poster above who is trying to give Nelson a waiver because the guys aren’t hitting their shots: It is 100% on the coach if his players consistently cannot hit open shots instead of an occasional bad game. That’s not the case here. The one consistency of this team is poor shooting. HC can hit shots against non-D1 teams, just not against our peers. 24-46 3PT - 52% 46-90 2PT - 51% Against D1 teams: 31% 3PT and 43.6% 2PT Ouch.
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Harvard
Dec 2, 2022 19:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 2, 2022 19:06:47 GMT -5
Nelson definitely needs to go. But it is not entirely his fault. I mean we just do not shoot well. Had three or four looks vs Harvard to break the rough open; couple of open threes, and easy baskets we should have made. We have the talent, but for some reason they are just not performing. Don't know if you can blame that on him. Harvard wasn't shooting the ball well either. If they did, we'd have lost by 55, not 35.
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