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Dec 1, 2022 12:09:41 GMT -5
Post by DiMarz on Dec 1, 2022 12:09:41 GMT -5
Somebody who has worked at various schools under a variety of coaches..experienced... in a lot of areas.. recruiting, player development, in game strategy, team building....I'd like to see a coach who is a defense first guy...(think RW)...and then build a veteran staff....
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2022 12:51:17 GMT -5
If we're willing to consider long-time D-1 assistants, I'd look at Luke Murray (UConn) or Brian Blaney (Providence). This approach hasn't been too successful for us, so I'd be more inclined to search for a HIGHLY successful D-2 or D-3 head coach. I can't imagine that there is a successful D-1 head coach who would have any interest in coming to Worcester. PLEASE--NO long-time D-1 Assistants
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Dec 1, 2022 13:29:56 GMT -5
Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2022 13:29:56 GMT -5
If we're willing to consider long-time D-1 assistants, I'd look at Luke Murray (UConn) or Brian Blaney (Providence). This approach hasn't been too successful for us, so I'd be more inclined to search for a HIGHLY successful D-2 or D-3 head coach. I can't imagine that there is a successful D-1 head coach who would have any interest in coming to Worcester. PLEASE--NO long-time D-1 Assistants...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired.
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Dec 1, 2022 14:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 1, 2022 14:03:28 GMT -5
PLEASE--NO long-time D-1 Assistants ...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? “If he were a D1 head coach, he’d already have been hired.” I can’t stress enough how important it is for ADKH to throw out any type of disqualifying factor (even criminal record if Pitino is interested again ), and find the right guy for the job, regardless of where he’s coming from. Remember the guys around here who disqualified Mark Daigneault because they didn’t like his title on the staff at Florida? Impossible to be more wrong than that crew.
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Dec 1, 2022 14:22:24 GMT -5
Post by hc17 on Dec 1, 2022 14:22:24 GMT -5
PLEASE--NO long-time D-1 Assistants ...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. I'd take a shot at Luke Murray. Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 1, 2022 14:28:04 GMT -5
...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. I'd take a shot at Luke Murray. Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion. And his dad could liven up press conferences
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2022 14:30:10 GMT -5
...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? There he goes again, KY...
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Dec 1, 2022 14:32:42 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 1, 2022 14:32:42 GMT -5
...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. I'd take a shot at Luke Murray. Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion. The biggest thing I look at with guys like Murray is who they worked for. While I would mark Danny Hurley as a positive, he spent the majority of his career at Xavier & Louisville working for Chris Mack who is a Fraud (with a capital F). I don't know if there is anything from his experience on that staff that would apply to being the Head Coach at Holy Cross.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 1, 2022 14:39:00 GMT -5
Several good coaches out there might be available in the days ahead, but we need someone that understands HC and the type of player that will succeed. The first thing we need to get done is to address those areas of neglect, and we can start that today. Waiting until the opening happens is not using this time wisely.
Something could happen by Christmas break, but not if the football team is playing in Frisco.
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Dec 1, 2022 14:39:06 GMT -5
Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2022 14:39:06 GMT -5
I'd take a shot at Luke Murray. Checks a lot of boxes in my opinion. The biggest thing I look at with guys like Murray is who they worked for. Is this why you've been a huge defender of Nelson, given his ties to Billy Donovan (Pitino / Willard) and coaches who are connected to him? Anthony Grant Donnie Jones John Pelphrey It makes sense now. Unfortunately for Nelson, he must have picked up a lot of bad habits from Wojo.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 1, 2022 14:39:19 GMT -5
...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? “If he were a D1 head coach, he’d already have been hired.” I can’t stress enough how important it is for ADKH to throw out any type of disqualifying factor (even criminal record if Pitino is interested again ), and find the right guy for the job, regardless of where he’s coming from. Remember the guys around here who disqualified Mark Daigneault because they didn’t like his title on the staff at Florida? Impossible to be more wrong than that crew.You are totally disqualified from having ANY opinion of value on the hiring of head coaches at Holy Cross.
After three horrible years, until recently, you were convinced Nelson was absolutely the right guy.
As the Soup Nazi used to say "NEXT!!!!"
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Dec 1, 2022 14:42:45 GMT -5
Post by alum on Dec 1, 2022 14:42:45 GMT -5
...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? “If he were a D1 head coach, he’d already have been hired.” I can’t stress enough how important it is for ADKH to throw out any type of disqualifying factor (even criminal record if Pitino is interested again ), and find the right guy for the job, regardless of where he’s coming from. Remember the guys around here who disqualified Mark Daigneault because they didn’t like his title on the staff at Florida? Impossible to be more wrong than that crew. BTW, since you brought him up, maybe he is part of the solution. He is now in year three of the rebuild in OKC. The good news for him his squad is on pace to win ten more games than last year. The bad news is that would still leave them last in the division. Maybe the owner decides to offload him in February and he will be ready to come on board once the network cancels the BN Show.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 1, 2022 14:51:04 GMT -5
Coaches currently working in college are not likely to leave before the ends of their respective seasons.
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Dec 1, 2022 14:56:06 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 1, 2022 14:56:06 GMT -5
And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? “If he were a D1 head coach, he’d already have been hired.” I can’t stress enough how important it is for ADKH to throw out any type of disqualifying factor (even criminal record if Pitino is interested again ), and find the right guy for the job, regardless of where he’s coming from. Remember the guys around here who disqualified Mark Daigneault because they didn’t like his title on the staff at Florida? Impossible to be more wrong than that crew.
After three horrible years, until recently, you were convinced Nelson was absolutely the right guy. Please find quotes of me saying that. I bet you can't. I had been advocating for giving Nelson time and a chance. A continued revolving door of head coaches like we have seen for the past 13 years is horrible for the program. People had totally unrealistic expectations for what it was going to take for anyone in Nelson's shoes inheriting the sh*t storm that he walked into to turn things around. It's like everyone has selective amnesia and think Nelson took over an RW NCAA Tournament team and not a program whose winning culture that had already been completely gutted by the three guys before him. By your definition, Matt Langel at Colgate also should have been fired in years 1-3 before he started to turn the program around during pL play in year 4.
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Dec 1, 2022 15:05:18 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2022 15:05:18 GMT -5
...if they were any good, they'd have already been hired. And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? “If he were a D1 head coach, he’d already have been hired.” I can’t stress enough how important it is for ADKH to throw out any type of disqualifying factor (even criminal record if Pitino is interested again ), and find the right guy for the job, regardless of where he’s coming from. Remember the guys around here who disqualified Mark Daigneault because they didn’t like his title on the staff at Florida? Impossible to be more wrong than that crew.Not impossible at all--"more wrong than that crew" is anyone who kept doubling down on Brett Nelson game after game and year after year when it was abundantly clear that he could not get the job done at HC. As far as Daigneault goes-I wish we had selected him over Kearney, no doubt. However, it appears that you are implying that he was 100% guaranteed of success as a college coach and I think that's a stretch.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2022 15:22:15 GMT -5
Stop, please! You, as usual, put your own biased spin on HC basketball history. The longest serving Crusader basketball coach was George Blaney (22 years, .564 winning). No one else comes close. He was coach almost as long as Fr. Brooks was president (25 years).
Willard (.615 winning) was coach for 10 years and that may have spoiled some. Jack Donahue coached 7 years (.616 winning).
But let's talk about Ralph's successors and immediate predecessor. Yeah, Kearney (.290 winning) was bad but he was exceptional with his 1 year cameo appearance. Raynor was coach for 5 seasons (.394 winning - no scholarships).
After Sean, Brown (.454 winning) came in for 5 years, not 1, 2, 3 or 4 followed by Carmody for 4 years (.443 winning). 2 coaches in 9 years. Maybe not a Ralph or Blaney tenure but hardly a revolving door. And right now, I think most of us would be happy if Brett could reach the winning heights of Bill or Milan. The program was certainly not at the level Ralph had it under Brett's two immediate successors but it wasn't the "sh*t storm" that Brett has made the program. We were admittedly mediocre but mediocre would be 3 levels up from where we are now.
I'm pretty sure if we did a poll and asked Crossporters how the current team would fare against any of the teams under Carmody or Brown, the majority would say that Nelson's team would get their butt's kicked assuming Brett was guiding his own players.
The guy with the selective amnesia is you, bbc, not us.
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Dec 1, 2022 15:25:09 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 1, 2022 15:25:09 GMT -5
Stop, please! You, as usual, put your own biased spin on HC basketball history. The longest serving Crusader basketball coach was George Blaney (22 years, .564 winning). No one else comes close. He was coach almost as long as Fr. Brooks was president (25 years). Willard (.615 winning) was coach for 10 years and that may have spoiled some. Jack Donahue coached 7 years (.616 winning). But let's talk about Ralph's successors and immediate predecessor. Yeah, Kearney (.290 winning) was bad but he was exceptional with his 1 year cameo appearance. Raynor was coach for 5 seasons (.394 winning - no scholarships). After Sean, Brown (.454 winning) came in for 5 years, not 1, 2, 3 or 4 followed by Carmody for 4 years (.443 winning). 2 coaches in 9 years. Maybe not a Ralph or Blaney tenure but hardly a revolving door. And right now, I think most of us would be happy if Brett could reach the winning heights of Bill or Milan. The program was certainly not at the level Ralph had it under Brett's two immediate successors but it wasn't the "sh*t storm" that Brett has made the program. We were admittedly mediocre but mediocre would be 3 levels up from where we are now. I'm pretty sure if we did a poll and asked Crossporters how the current team would fare against any of the teams under Carmody or Brown, the majority would say that Nelson's team would get their butt's kicked assuming Brett was guiding his own players. The guy with the selective amnesia is you, bbc, not us. A superlative job glossing over the gambling ring, stolen credit cards, etc. etc. Nothing to see there! Move it along, folks!
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Dec 1, 2022 15:25:54 GMT -5
Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 1, 2022 15:25:54 GMT -5
And then couldn’t the same he said about your guy Kosminski as it relates to getting a D1 job? “If he were a D1 head coach, he’d already have been hired.” I can’t stress enough how important it is for ADKH to throw out any type of disqualifying factor (even criminal record if Pitino is interested again ), and find the right guy for the job, regardless of where he’s coming from. Remember the guys around here who disqualified Mark Daigneault because they didn’t like his title on the staff at Florida? Impossible to be more wrong than that crew.Not impossible at all--"more wrong than that crew" is anyone who kept doubling down on Brett Nelson game after game and year after year when it was abundantly clear that he could not get the job done at HC. As far as Daigneault goes-I wish we had selected him over Kearney, no doubt. However, it appears that you are implying that he was 100% guaranteed of success as a college coach and I think that's a stretch. I'll offer you the same challenge as the last guy -- please quote me on any of the above.
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Post by crosspride on Dec 1, 2022 15:42:01 GMT -5
A thread was started ONE MONTH into Nelson’s tenure that he was over his head. Why would Landry Kosmalski come here to deal with that? The last 4 coaches who took this job had their head coaching careers end. I know Carmody retired, but his results weren’t getting him anywhere.
One solution to this problem is a 8-10 year contract for $750k+ per year. Think TPTB will do that? I think not. We’re not going to attract anyone decent for $300k and a membership at Worcester Country Club. We desperately need to change the cycle and do something different. SoV calling for people’s heads in year two and rallying alums around that ain’t going to cut it.
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Dec 1, 2022 15:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2022 15:44:28 GMT -5
Responding to bbc:
In saying that the biggest mistake possible was bypassing Daigneault, aren’t you implying that he was a guaranteed success? You make these silly grand pronouncements and then object when you get called on them. Do you expect us all to just accept everything you say as the settled truth?
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Dec 1, 2022 15:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2022 15:46:39 GMT -5
A thread was started ONE MONTH into Nelson’s tenure that he was over his head. Why would Landry Kosmalski come here to deal with that? The last 4 coaches who took this job had their head coaching careers end. I know Carmody retired, but his results weren’t getting him anywhere. One solution to this problem is a 8-10 year contract for $750k+ per year. Think TPTB will do that? I think not. We’re not going to attract anyone decent for $300k and a membership at Worcester Country Club. We desperately need to change the cycle and do something different. SoV calling for people’s heads in year two and rallying alums around that ain’t going to cut it. It was apparent early on that the guy was not qualified to be a college head coach. Did you not see that?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2022 15:47:36 GMT -5
We desperately need to change the cycle and do something different. SoV calling for people’s heads in year two and rallying alums around that ain’t going to cut it. When Nelson is relieved of his duties after this season, I expect Jen Toland to call me for a quote and ask what my strategy was to ensure Nelson failed as head coach.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 1, 2022 15:49:24 GMT -5
Not that there is any right or proven formula for hiring a coach (I've often said "a good coach is a good coach is a good coach" and it doesn't matter where that guy has been and what boxes he checks), but it's worth looking at the previous four hires, which have all failed. Each fall in one of two categories: 1) Assistant / associate head coach at a P5 school -- Kearney, Nelson 2) Former / current D1 head coach -- Brown, Carmody With coach number five since 2009, give me the guy who has won, regardless of level. Who is a coach first (developer of talent, X's and O's guy), recruiter second. Who has an understanding of the Holy Cross experience and what a successful student-athlete looks like. We don't need a big, flashy name. In fact, I think guys like Crean and Beilein would be pretty average at HC. The Chesney model worked well for us. Who is the basketball version of Chesney? IIRC, both Brown and Carmody had losing records at their last head coaching gigs before being hired at HC while Kearney and Nelson never won a game before being hired. "I'm all about winning" -Kit. Prove it please.
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 1, 2022 15:58:04 GMT -5
Are you kidding? This guy coached at the highest levels on the planet for college basketball, and doesn't need to work again a day in his life. Why not hire Pat Reilly? Why not reanimate Red Auerbach while we're operating in fantasy land. Coaches want to coach
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Dec 1, 2022 16:02:09 GMT -5
Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 1, 2022 16:02:09 GMT -5
Players want to play, too. But, money talks. Aaron Judge is out there trying to get his $300M+, not telling Cashman and Steinbrenner how much he loves RF in the Bronx.
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