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Dec 2, 2022 20:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 2, 2022 20:28:25 GMT -5
DeGrom to the Rangers. Not ideal for the Mets.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 7, 2022 9:48:31 GMT -5
Judge is back! Now all we need is to get a 3B, SS, 2B, LF, and C that can hit!
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Dec 7, 2022 10:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2022 10:05:35 GMT -5
Will DeGrom ever be able to stay healthy, get some run support, and post a few 18-6 seasons?
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Post by alum on Dec 7, 2022 10:27:45 GMT -5
Judge is back! Now all we need is to get a 3B, SS, 2B, LF, and C that can hit! What the heck happened here? I think that Judge is a good guy and an amazing talent and I think that the good people of the Bay Area deserved to see him play 80 plus times per year. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 7, 2022 10:49:28 GMT -5
The Yankees made him an offer he couldn't refuse. They have tangibles and intangibles that playing in obscurity out west wouldn't afford him. And since he has deeper emotional ties from the fans to him already, he'd be viewed as a pretty big villain if he "left." For me? I don't want the Yankees to win 88 games, never fill the holes in the lineup, hype prospects who inevitably will not be All Pro players, but point to Judge and say, "But we did THAT!"
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Dec 7, 2022 11:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2022 11:13:21 GMT -5
DeGrom to the Rangers. Not ideal for the Mets. Verlander is a pretty good replacement and may be more durable Plus Kate gets thrown in as a bonus |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 7, 2022 11:36:20 GMT -5
The Rangers may have been taken based on injuries and disappointment. We'll see if the Mets do better with Verlander.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2022 11:58:05 GMT -5
Interesting dynamics to consider in looking at these two pitchers, Verlander is one of the all-time greats and at age 39 , after having pitched 1 game in the two preceding years, went 18-4 with a ridiculous 1.75 ERA in 2022. In contrast deGrom has gone 16-8 in the past three years combined. With Verlander the issue, of course, is age. Will he be able to pitch at this level for many more years? I always think of the great Warren Spahn, who seemed to be ageless. He went 23-7 with a 2.60 ERA at age 42 and then fell apart, going 6-13 with a 5.29 ERA at age 43. We'll see how Verlander does. As far as DeGrom goes, I think the Rangers will come to regret the contract they provided to him. I think it will go down as one of history's worst decisions unless we see a completely different pitcher than we have seen in deGrom's career to date,
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 7, 2022 13:27:17 GMT -5
DeGrom to the Rangers. Not ideal for the Mets. He was looking for an excuse to leave and the Mets didn't want him longer than three years. Based on his health the last few seasons, I can't blame them for only offering three years. I think the Verlander deal is a really good one and it could look great based on how he performs. We'll see. Like most teams, the Mets will be an injury or two away to their pitching staff between competing for at least a wild card and being sellers at the deadline. Best case scenario for the Mets was deGrom going to the AL West so there's that. Now that Tijuan Walker signed with the Phillies, I expect he'll pitch extensively against the Mets this year and go unbeaten with a sub-2.00 ERA in those games. |
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Post by alum on Dec 7, 2022 14:32:34 GMT -5
I am afraid DeGrom will never stay healthy. Verlander is clearly a stud. If I were a Mets fan, my only objection to this deal would be the no trade clause. If the team is doing poorly in year 2, they won't be able to use him to get prospects at the trade deadline.
You have to take some chances in order to win. Bravo to teams willing to do so.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 7, 2022 20:34:43 GMT -5
I am afraid DeGrom will never stay healthy. Verlander is clearly a stud. If I were a Mets fan, my only objection to this deal would be the no trade clause. If the team is doing poorly in year 2, they won't be able to use him to get prospects at the trade deadline. You have to take some chances in order to win. Bravo to teams willing to do so. Verlander can always waive the NTC if it gets him a chance to pitch for another winner in the scenario you described. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 8, 2022 2:34:56 GMT -5
Bogaerts to Padres
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 8, 2022 7:51:43 GMT -5
I expect the Red Sox will spin this that 11 years/280 million is bad business. And it is. But fans shouldn't let them off the hook. If they approached Bogaerts a years ago with a serious offer there's a good chance they could have kept him. |
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Post by alum on Dec 8, 2022 8:09:02 GMT -5
I expect the Red Sox will spin this that 11 years/280 million is bad business. And it is. But fans shouldn't let them off the hook. If they approached Bogaerts a years ago with a serious offer there's a good chance they could have kept him. Exactly right. FWIW, they signed a couple of good relievers and an outfielder from Japan (Yoshida) so they are making some effort. There are still a ton of holes in this lineup. |
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 8, 2022 8:19:31 GMT -5
Thank God for the Padres that Boegarts signed...I was starting to think that MLB players had inside knowledge that the city's drinking water was contaminated or the city was going to be washed away, or something. They came over the top on Turner, got turned down, allegedly floated $400mil to Judge, got turned down...that stings.
With respect to the Mets and DeGrom/Walker, first off, with DeGrom I always had the sense he was likely to leave and it wasn't purely money. I also don't have a firm grasp on how Cohen intends to conduct his ownership and if he has any modicum of a "budget". If he is constrained by a budget (even an inflated one), I was glad to see the Rangers overwhelming offer and the fact that DeGrom never even took it back to the Mets. It is just too hefty of an investment in a player with that recent injury history. Of course, if there is no budget, I would have preferred to bring him back AND sign Verlander...its not my money. But assuming the team has some semblance of a budget and wants to show at least some restraint, I'll take the Verlander deal any day over the DeGrom deal, even if DeGrom winds up never being injured again, just the risk is too great and that deal would be way too big of a hit on the back end. Similarly, Quintana is not a significant downgrade from Walker...arguably isn't a downgrade at all. I will take 2 less years and $5mil less per for Quintana.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 8, 2022 9:10:51 GMT -5
I expect the Red Sox will spin this that 11 years/280 million is bad business. And it is. But fans shouldn't let them off the hook. If they approached Bogaerts a years ago with a serious offer there's a good chance they could have kept him. Exactly right. FWIW, they signed a couple of good relievers and an outfielder from Japan (Yoshida) so they are making some effort. There are still a ton of holes in this lineup. The Red Sox probably believe that Marcelo Mayer, their young shortstop prospect, will be ready in a year or so. But letting foundational players walk is a huge mistake. I assume the Yankees (with Judge) and the Padres ( with Bogaerts) expect that the last few years of these contracts will be unproductive, but this is the cost of doing business with superstars. Big market teams shouldn't be putting together a roster with baling wire and scotch tape. |
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Post by mm67 on Dec 8, 2022 11:06:44 GMT -5
Disappointed that the Sawx let Boegarts go.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2022 13:30:04 GMT -5
Sawx will continue to not offer big contracts to their stars unless and until the fans stop showing up, stop watching, stop buying gear etc. They’re in business to make money. If they’re going to sell out every game regardless of whether they are good or not, why eat into the profits with big, long-term contracts?
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Post by mm67 on Dec 8, 2022 13:54:31 GMT -5
Rabid fans who support their teams in Boston, NY, Philly, DC, ChiTown etc. deserve reciprocal investment support from their teams.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 8, 2022 18:28:01 GMT -5
Presume the Sox will think about moving Trevor Story to SS, where he was pretty good defensively for Colorado. Problem is his bat is lousy outside of Coors Field, and his offensive numbers everywhere have declined steadily over the last four years.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2022 23:34:19 GMT -5
On the other hand, Steve Cohen’s Mets have landed Verlander, Nimmo and David Robertson after getting Diaz early.
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 9, 2022 11:46:07 GMT -5
On the other hand, Steve Cohen’s Mets have landed Verlander, Nimmo and David Robertson after getting Diaz early. And Quintana |
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Post by timholycross on Dec 9, 2022 12:33:46 GMT -5
Sawx will continue to not offer big contracts to their stars unless and until the fans stop showing up, stop watching, stop buying gear etc. They’re in business to make money. If they’re going to sell out every game regardless of whether they are good or not, why eat into the profits with big, long-term contracts? MLB attendance is down from the last non-Covid year, 2019; by 6% or thereabouts. But Sox attendance is down 10% and nothing's happened in the offseason that's going to bring people back. One theory is that Henry and company are gearing to sell and don't want any long term payroll weighing them down. |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 15, 2022 22:36:11 GMT -5
Rodon to the Yankees on a 6-year deal. History of injuries but very good the last two years. We shall see.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 15, 2022 23:03:11 GMT -5
6 years is a long time for a mid career pitcher with past.injuries.
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