hcdad22
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Post by hcdad22 on Dec 6, 2022 21:51:43 GMT -5
I’ve been watching/reading these various predictions. Heard the same stuff last year, how we don’t belong on the same field as the CAA Champions - Villanova.
I was at the game, even though we were down 14-0, did not feel that we were out classed (ex. 2018 against New Hampshire and Dartmouth).
We out rushed them, out passed them. A game we could have won if we converted TD’s in the red-zone.
We will compete.
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Post by nplang08 on Dec 6, 2022 21:55:53 GMT -5
To take this game into the 2nd half, our O is gonna have to sustain some drives. We have a top 5-10 offense in FCS with balance that has to keep our D off the field. SDSU’s offense has a legit 8 pro prospects on it. That’s not a misprint. They have 8 starters that have a legit shot to make 53 man rosters. OT #74 and OG #60 play on the same side. TE Kraft back after injury in the Iowa Game is a legit 2/3 round prospect. Other TE #87 probably goes on day 3. WR Janke twins plus RB Davis (his back-up is also a stud and healthy again) and finally QB Gronowski. It is a legit power 5 FBS offense. Cmon now let’s not blow these guys up to something they’re not. You basically described teams that made the BCS playoffs, and as good as SDSU is they are not a power 5 offense/ bunch of 53 man roster prospects team. I know the huge game We have to have to beat SDSU, but you basically described Alabama this year. SDSU is not an SEC or Big 10 school. Let’s stop overhyping the rabbits.
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Post by td128 on Dec 7, 2022 7:17:04 GMT -5
Holy Cross is hot.
In speaking with a HCFB parent yesterday who was at a corporate event in Florida, he shared that he was staying in the same hotel as the Milwaukee Bucks who were in town for a game.
This individual sees members of the Bucks in the dining room including Pat Connaughton. He goes over to say hello given that Pat is a grad of St. John’s Prep in Danvers where his son a current Crusader went to high school.
After exchanging some initial pleasantries, what is the first thing Pat brings up?
“Hey, how about that Holy Cross Football team. Wow!!
No substitute for winning especially as a byproduct of a true commitment to excellence both on and off the field.
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 7, 2022 7:55:29 GMT -5
I’ve been watching/reading these various predictions. Heard the same stuff last year, how we don’t belong on the same field as the CAA Champions - Villanova. I was at the game, even though we were down 14-0, did not feel that we were out classed (ex. 2018 against New Hampshire and Dartmouth). We out rushed them, out passed them. A game we could have won if we converted TD’s in the red-zone. We will compete. I often accuse others of wearing their purple tinted glasses...going to put mine on for a second. I'd venture to say, in all facets of that Nova game except the score, we won. I thought we were the better team on the field. I also thought the decision on the 1st drive when we went for it on 4th instead of taking the FG was a potentially devastating one and it certainly dictated how we had to call plays in the 4th (that is not hindsight, I remember texting friends as it happened complaining about it). That may be the only Chesney move I've ever questioned. I knew going into that game we could win and felt we would. 2022 SDSU is a different animal than 2021 Nova though...but on that point, 2022 HC is a different animal than 2021 HC (although I'd pay anything to get Dobbs back on the field, especially if he gives us a performance like he did in the Nova game up until being injured). We can certainly win Saturday, but we will have to play nearly flawlessly.
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 8:05:08 GMT -5
Post by sader81 on Dec 7, 2022 8:05:08 GMT -5
DraftKings has HC +15.5. O/U 54 ML HC +510 With that line, I will be betting with both hands!
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 7, 2022 8:08:14 GMT -5
To take this game into the 2nd half, our O is gonna have to sustain some drives. We have a top 5-10 offense in FCS with balance that has to keep our D off the field. SDSU’s offense has a legit 8 pro prospects on it. That’s not a misprint. They have 8 starters that have a legit shot to make 53 man rosters. OT #74 and OG #60 play on the same side. TE Kraft back after injury in the Iowa Game is a legit 2/3 round prospect. Other TE #87 probably goes on day 3. WR Janke twins plus RB Davis (his back-up is also a stud and healthy again) and finally QB Gronowski. It is a legit power 5 FBS offense. Cmon now let’s not blow these guys up to something they’re not. You basically described teams that made the BCS playoffs, and as good as SDSU is they are not a power 5 offense/ bunch of 53 man roster prospects team. I know the huge game We have to have to beat SDSU, but you basically described Alabama this year. SDSU is not an SEC or Big 10 school. Let’s stop overhyping the rabbits. I don’t think stating fact on the realization that 8 of the Jacks offensive players are on Pro scout and draft lists is overhype or anything. There are many reasons why the Jackrabbit offensive stats aren’t through the roof but talent isn’t one of them. And honestly if I was an HC fan I wouldn’t worry about the Jacks offense. The Rabbit D is the concern. Be thankful(and I know you are) for Sluka. His moxie, attitude are going to be needed on Saturday. Honestly he’s the kind of player that is the toughest to play because of the X factor. The Jacks defense is relentless and deep. I think I’ve read that there has been 19 different guys start on D this year. The Dline has started the same every game though I believe but is the deepest group. I think many HC fans see the prognostications of wide score gaps from our fans and FCS “experts” as disrespectful. Maybe so, but the confidence is in the potential is there. The potential is also HC wins and does everything right. The depth is I think is the main difference in the two teams. Top talent is great on both teams. But much like how many FCS teams hang with P5 programs then come mid to late 3rd qtr, the P5 pulls away. How is the depth for HC? IMO the depth is the difference in this game, especially on D. But until the end it’ll be a slugfest.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 7, 2022 8:14:58 GMT -5
I’ve been watching/reading these various predictions. Heard the same stuff last year, how we don’t belong on the same field as the CAA Champions - Villanova. I was at the game, even though we were down 14-0, did not feel that we were out classed (ex. 2018 against New Hampshire and Dartmouth). We out rushed them, out passed them. A game we could have won if we converted TD’s in the red-zone. We will compete. I often accuse others of wearing their purple tinted glasses...going to put mine on for a second. I'd venture to say, in all facets of that Nova game except the score, we won. I thought we were the better team on the field. I also thought the decision on the 1st drive when we went for it on 4th instead of taking the FG was a potentially devastating one and it certainly dictated how we had to call plays in the 4th (that is not hindsight, I remember texting friends as it happened complaining about it). That may be the only Chesney move I've ever questioned. I knew going into that game we could win and felt we would. 2022 SDSU is a different animal than 2021 Nova though...but on that point, 2022 HC is a different animal than 2021 HC (although I'd pay anything to get Dobbs back on the field, especially if he gives us a performance like he did in the Nova game up until being injured). We can certainly win Saturday, but we will have to play nearly flawlessly. One other spot where we tripped ourselves in the Villanova game: As the first half was coming to a close, we were lined up for a short field goal with no timeouts and the play clock winding down. The FG attempt was a chip-shot, but we rushed to beat the play clock and Derek missed the kick. Had we taken the Delay-of-Game penalty, we'd have likely put 3 on the board, and gone into the half with a bit of momentum. While it may not have changed the outcome, all other things being equal, we'd have only been by two in that final drive, and may have looked at things differently if we only had to get into FG position. (Been waiting a year to get this off my chest.) Let's go undefeated this week!
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 8:16:29 GMT -5
Post by hc1998 on Dec 7, 2022 8:16:29 GMT -5
Ignutz, that's right, I remember that as well, just one of those FG's would have changed the complexion of the second half
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Post by td128 on Dec 7, 2022 8:23:54 GMT -5
Sports are great but is there really anything that matches the anticipation and excitement of a college athletic event such as this game between Holy Cross and South Dakota State.
The opportunity to support one’s school — whether attending the game or not — and the true student-athletes competing for Alma Mater is in my opinion unmatched in todays marketplace.
Think of the friends who will gather to watch the game together. Think of others who will speak who may not have connected in a while.
In a world that is filled with madness and mayhem to the point of chaos, football of the sort played by our Crusaders and the outstanding SDSU team is simply the best.
So proud of our Crusaders. Looking forward to venturing out to the Badlands and Black Hills of South Dakota to take on and hopefully take down Goliath.
Let’s Win!!
#America #Commitment #Excellence
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 7, 2022 8:44:19 GMT -5
Sports are great but is there really anything that matches the anticipation and excitement of a college athletic event such as this game between Holy Cross and South Dakota State. The opportunity to support one’s school — whether attending the game or not — and the true student-athletes competing for Alma Mater is in my opinion unmatched in todays marketplace. Think of the friends who will gather to watch the game together. Think of others who will speak who may not have connected in a while. In a world that is filled with madness and mayhem to the point of chaos, football of the sort played by our Crusaders and the outstanding SDSU team is simply the best. So proud of our Crusaders. Looking forward to venturing out to the Badlands and Black Hills of South Dakota to take on and hopefully take down Goliath. Let’s Win!! #America #Commitment #Excellence Awesome post…up until the “Badlands and Black Hills” part. HC would need to take anoher flight to get there(350+ miles from Brookings) 😁. It’s all rolling prairie and farmland in is this area. Still beautiful but a 6 hour road trip from the beauty that is the Black Hills and such. But it is part of SD and we proudly embrace it.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 7, 2022 8:45:32 GMT -5
To take this game into the 2nd half, our O is gonna have to sustain some drives. We have a top 5-10 offense in FCS with balance that has to keep our D off the field. SDSU’s offense has a legit 8 pro prospects on it. That’s not a misprint. They have 8 starters that have a legit shot to make 53 man rosters. OT #74 and OG #60 play on the same side. TE Kraft back after injury in the Iowa Game is a legit 2/3 round prospect. Other TE #87 probably goes on day 3. WR Janke twins plus RB Davis (his back-up is also a stud and healthy again) and finally QB Gronowski. It is a legit power 5 FBS offense. Cmon now let’s not blow these guys up to something they’re not. You basically described teams that made the BCS playoffs, and as good as SDSU is they are not a power 5 offense/ bunch of 53 man roster prospects team. I know the huge game We have to have to beat SDSU, but you basically described Alabama this year. SDSU is not an SEC or Big 10 school. Let’s stop overhyping the rabbits. You want me to the list the players, put a pin in this and then we can track how many are on NFL rosters in a couple years? It’s not hype. My best buddy here in the Midwest is a Jack. I’ve watched as much SDSU football since Spring of 21 as anyone not an alum.
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Post by td128 on Dec 7, 2022 9:07:37 GMT -5
Sports are great but is there really anything that matches the anticipation and excitement of a college athletic event such as this game between Holy Cross and South Dakota State. The opportunity to support one’s school — whether attending the game or not — and the true student-athletes competing for Alma Mater is in my opinion unmatched in todays marketplace. Think of the friends who will gather to watch the game together. Think of others who will speak who may not have connected in a while. In a world that is filled with madness and mayhem to the point of chaos, football of the sort played by our Crusaders and the outstanding SDSU team is simply the best. So proud of our Crusaders. Looking forward to venturing out to the Badlands and Black Hills of South Dakota to take on and hopefully take down Goliath. Let’s Win!! #America #Commitment #Excellence Awesome post…up until the “Badlands and Black Hills” part. HC would need to take anoher flight to get there(350+ miles from Brookings) 😁. It’s all rolling prairie and farmland in is this area. Still beautiful but a 6 hour road trip from the beauty that is the Black Hills and such. But it is part of SD and we proudly embrace it. Econ Major here and missed out on Geography class. 😬 😉
So in thinking this through and based on your inputs, if the Bobcats of Montana State take down William and Mary on Friday night, what you’re laying out here is that we will either be flying over or driving through the Badlands and Black Hills on our way to Bozeman. 😎
God Bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
LET’S WIN !!
#Crusaders #Goliath ✝️👊🏻🏈👊🏾✝️
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 7, 2022 9:11:11 GMT -5
I'm recalling HC-Kentucky (2001) and HC-Marquette (2003) NCAA basketball tournament games wherein no one gave our Crusaders a chance, but we battled to the end and earned major national kudos from supporters and doubters alike. A different bounce here or there, a shot that somehow falls, and we could have stolen a win in either of these two games.
It's time for us to get that bounce or that fluke completion or interception. It's time for us to silence the doubters and move on to the semi-finals and beyond.
My only prediction: If we win on Saturday, we'll be playing in Texas on January 8th.
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 9:13:22 GMT -5
Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 7, 2022 9:13:22 GMT -5
Cmon now let’s not blow these guys up to something they’re not. You basically described teams that made the BCS playoffs, and as good as SDSU is they are not a power 5 offense/ bunch of 53 man roster prospects team. I know the huge game We have to have to beat SDSU, but you basically described Alabama this year. SDSU is not an SEC or Big 10 school. Let’s stop overhyping the rabbits. I don’t think stating fact on the realization that 8 of the Jacks offensive players are on Pro scout and draft lists is overhype or anything. There are many reasons why the Jackrabbit offensive stats aren’t through the roof but talent isn’t one of them. And honestly if I was an HC fan I wouldn’t worry about the Jacks offense. The Rabbit D is the concern. Be thankful(and I know you are) for Sluka. His moxie, attitude are going to be needed on Saturday. Honestly he’s the kind of player that is the toughest to play because of the X factor. The Jacks defense is relentless and deep. I think I’ve read that there has been 19 different guys start on D this year. The Dline has started the same every game though I believe but is the deepest group. I think many HC fans see the prognostications of wide score gaps from our fans and FCS “experts” as disrespectful. Maybe so, but the confidence is in the potential is there. The potential is also HC wins and does everything right. The depth is I think is the main difference in the two teams. Top talent is great on both teams. But much like how many FCS teams hang with P5 programs then come mid to late 3rd qtr, the P5 pulls away. How is the depth for HC? IMO the depth is the difference in this game, especially on D. But until the end it’ll be a slugfest. This is an excellent analysis and depth is often the most important variable at this point in the season. And the depth on our O is very good, OL (although if Nick O can’t go again that really hurts against these DT’s) , WR, RB etc. Much thinner depth on D. We have warriors up and down the roster in our starting 22. Many 5th years on D that we will miss immensely. The “what if we had Dobbs” factor might be felt after this one more than any other…
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 7, 2022 9:15:45 GMT -5
SDSU is legit. Iowa scored more points against Michigan and Ohio State than they did against the Jacks.
It is the greatest of tests, which will, if we play to our potential, exceed our prior accomplishments and leave every ounce of effort on the frigid turf of Dykhouse Stadium, result in the sweetest of victories.
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 9:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 7, 2022 9:35:10 GMT -5
Awesome post…up until the “Badlands and Black Hills” part. HC would need to take anoher flight to get there(350+ miles from Brookings) 😁. It’s all rolling prairie and farmland in is this area. Still beautiful but a 6 hour road trip from the beauty that is the Black Hills and such. But it is part of SD and we proudly embrace it. Econ Major here and missed out on Geography class. 😬 😉 So in thinking this through and based on your inputs, if the Bobcats of Montana State take down William and Mary on Friday night, what you’re laying out here is that we will either be flying over or driving through the Badlands and Black Hills on our way to Bozeman. 😎 God Bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 LET’S WIN !! #Crusaders #Goliath ✝️👊🏻🏈👊🏾✝️ I’m sure your Econ degree is serving you far better than any geography degree would. Essentially I believe SD is 9-10 times larger in area than Mass. Yes, I-90 would theoretically be the driving route from Worcester to Bozeman. It would take you by the Badlands and through the Black Hills. Actually go ahead and plan that road trip…you can detour up to Brookings next weekend and watch them beat MT St before getting to spend some time holiday break in Western South Dakota. 😂
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2022 10:24:43 GMT -5
I think the post above is indicative of the hope Crusader fans have for this game. We had an excellent basketball coach in Ralph who knew how to take underdog teams to play top of the heap basketball powers, Kansas, Kentucky and Marquette to the wire but just couldn't quite get it over the hump for the upset win but had people talking around the country about Holy Cross.
With no offense to SDSU, they are not the football equivalent to those nationally ranked basketball programs that got the cr@p scared out of them because our basketball teams were not nationally ranked and those basketball games were top division teams. If we can pull off the upset, some people will talk around the country about the Crusaders but the FCS followers are much fewer than D-1 basketball followers.
Now, we have a football coach that some of us feel is as good in his sport as Ralph was in his and though not close to a #1 ranking, we are in the top 10 by any poll. Can we win this game? I can tell you Bob Chesney believes the challenge is "huge" and he's right. But, it can be done if we play close to a perfect game. Our experienced 5th year seniors give us an edge we don't usually have but other teams usually have (and grad students). As BC told me, it's less of an HC advantage than the reduction of an inherent disadvantage we usually have.
Again, our new favorite opposition poster, jacked, has assured us that his team is not looking past us and the clip of their coach's press conference reinforces that which was an advantage Ralph's teams had and Bob Chesney won't.
Oh how I wish we had Jake Dobbs back on the field but . . . . . "next man up."
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 7, 2022 10:36:55 GMT -5
This is going to be a nationally game of trench warfare. Seriously HC fans, if you’re on the fence about making it out here for the game…get off it and make the arrangements. I’m so pumped for this matchup my brother and I are road tripping to Fargo the night before just to relax at a FB game. 🤣
Come on out, SD hospitality is 2nd to none.
*unless you’re a Bison fan 🤪
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 7, 2022 10:37:19 GMT -5
Two Jacks were drafted last year, Pierre Strong by the Patriots and Chris Oladokun by the Steelers, now with the Chiefs. In 2019, Jordan Brown, CB, was drafted by the Bengals but I don't think is still with them. I believe Dallas Goedert the Eagles TE is a Jack. I am sure there are many others who were undrafted FA's in the league and are on practice squad rosters. www.argusleader.com/story/sports/college/2022/09/07/south-dakota-football-nfl-season-roster-2022/7946762001/Is my tally correct that we have Jimmy Murray and Kalif on active rosters and Benton on a practice squad roster? EDIT: As a Pats and an HC fan, anyone else disappointed we haven't seen more Pierre Strong on offense this year? I thought the TD screen pass to Marcus Jones last game would have been a perfect play for Strong.
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Post by jackedforlife on Dec 7, 2022 10:40:31 GMT -5
Goedert is a Jackrabbit. Arguably the greatest NFL Jack is mr. clutch himself, Adam Vinatieri.
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 10:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by classof83 on Dec 7, 2022 10:44:05 GMT -5
Could it be like when the HC hockey team neat Minnesota in the NCAA hockey playoffs in 2006? The North Dakota fans loved us that day - the governor of North Dakota may give HC the keys to the state if we win on Saturday
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 10:46:50 GMT -5
Post by cruskater31 on Dec 7, 2022 10:46:50 GMT -5
Could it be like when the HC hockey team neat Minnesota in the NCAA hockey playoffs in 2006? The North Dakota fans loved us that day - the governor of North Dakota may give HC the keys to the state if we win on Saturday Montana definitely might if they also beat Bill & Mary next weekend!
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SDSU
Dec 7, 2022 11:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by nplang08 on Dec 7, 2022 11:04:55 GMT -5
Cmon now let’s not blow these guys up to something they’re not. You basically described teams that made the BCS playoffs, and as good as SDSU is they are not a power 5 offense/ bunch of 53 man roster prospects team. I know the huge game We have to have to beat SDSU, but you basically described Alabama this year. SDSU is not an SEC or Big 10 school. Let’s stop overhyping the rabbits. I don’t think stating fact on the realization that 8 of the Jacks offensive players are on Pro scout and draft lists is overhype or anything. There are many reasons why the Jackrabbit offensive stats aren’t through the roof but talent isn’t one of them. And honestly if I was an HC fan I wouldn’t worry about the Jacks offense. The Rabbit D is the concern. Be thankful(and I know you are) for Sluka. His moxie, attitude are going to be needed on Saturday. Honestly he’s the kind of player that is the toughest to play because of the X factor. The Jacks defense is relentless and deep. I think I’ve read that there has been 19 different guys start on D this year. The Dline has started the same every game though I believe but is the deepest group. I think many HC fans see the prognostications of wide score gaps from our fans and FCS “experts” as disrespectful. Maybe so, but the confidence is in the potential is there. The potential is also HC wins and does everything right. The depth is I think is the main difference in the two teams. Top talent is great on both teams. But much like how many FCS teams hang with P5 programs then come mid to late 3rd qtr, the P5 pulls away. How is the depth for HC? IMO the depth is the difference in this game, especially on D. But until the end it’ll be a slugfest. Honestly I agree with most of what you said, and you bring up some great points. And my comment was more to address that the defense is a “power 5 FBS” defense, mostly because that’s more of a subjective observation based on your game against Iowa. SDSU is definitely deserving of their number 1 stats, no matter what others in your great state may say. And I do think HC will have to play a near perfect game to pull out a win. Your depth is definitely one to marvel at and you are correct in stating that depth will be an issue for us. But I think the inside info that most of HC supporters realize as well are the intangibles having watched this team develop over the past 4 years: they will not quit and have created a culture where they won’t let others quit either. HCBC has cultivated these specific players over the last four years into a team that can do some amazing things when the chips are down. either way the task they have in front if them is enormous, but like you said it will be a slug fest and an enjoyable game to watch.
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Post by classof83 on Dec 7, 2022 11:26:07 GMT -5
Others would know better than I, but as i understand it, HC rotates OL players throughout the game so I assume there must be some depth there and hopefully helps the OL from wearing down. I know rotating OL players is not very common in football.
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Dec 7, 2022 11:48:31 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2022 11:48:31 GMT -5
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