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Post by efg72 on Dec 10, 2022 20:26:05 GMT -5
We sign up bodies not building a roster for a style of play- sadly
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 10, 2022 21:23:27 GMT -5
I was only listening on the NU student radio station that was linked on this thread (thanks) but the announcers indicated that HC went for the two point option to Gates but the NU defense hemmed him in and he had to outlet the ball to an open man resulting in the trey attempt.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 10, 2022 21:32:20 GMT -5
True However Gates could have drawn the foul
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 10, 2022 21:42:42 GMT -5
When comparing bench points we should also compare bench minutes to provide perspective Right now, we don't have a bench. Where do the HC subs come from then?
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Post by trimster on Dec 10, 2022 21:52:23 GMT -5
Right now, we don't have a bench. Where do the HC subs come from then? Please stop with nitpicking.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 10, 2022 21:56:42 GMT -5
I will gladly do so, IF you will please stop making absurd statements that are factually incorrect. If you want to insult the team try to be accurate and perhaps even clever. (You also might want to use words with their actual meaning.) That will avoid whatever it is you call nitpicking, I am sure. The bench may not be to your liking but if we use 7 or more players each game, HC clearly has a bench. Did you really not see that?
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Post by trimster on Dec 10, 2022 22:08:50 GMT -5
I will gladly do so, IF you will please stop making absurd statements that are factually incorrect. If you want to insult the team try to be accurate and perhaps even clever. (You also might want to use words with their actual meaning.) That will avoid whatever it is you call nitpicking, I am sure. The bench may not be to your liking but if we use 7 or more players each game, HC clearly has a bench. Did you really not see that? You know what, you are right Rob. I am sorry I don't measure up to your witty standards or appropriate use of the English Language. I have no intention of insulting any players on this board as I have been one myself and know what it feels like to be in the arena. In fact I commented in the SDSU thread a few hours ago that people were being too critical of Ng. Let me try to rephrase my comment. If you look at the stats from the last two games, we have been rather shockingly outscored by players who started the game in seats on the bench, got up and checked in at the scorer's table and then participated in the game.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 10, 2022 22:57:22 GMT -5
Qpac game
Quin starters HC Starters Min 105. 178 Pts 33 66
Quin bench. HC bench Min 95. 22 Pts. 43. 5
Northeastern game
NU starters. HC starters Min 117. 162 Pts 23. 53
NU bench. HC bench Min. 88. 38 Pts. 36. 5
Our bench is getting outscored by opponents bench because (1) opponents bench players get many many more minutes on the floor and (2) they score at a higher rate per minute played
Then again it appears that at least the n these last two games our starters have been more productive than our opponents starters
Note- I typed this on iPhone and formatting looks suboptimal but I hope you can decipher the stats.
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Post by trimster on Dec 11, 2022 8:08:49 GMT -5
My apologies to RGS. I got a bit carried away last night. Obviously it is hard for your bench to contribute much when as a group they are playing minimal minutes.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 11, 2022 8:12:31 GMT -5
Good solid game today, not great..Good to see Dorsey hit a few 3's today...Keney had a decent game..Where was Bo today, he didn't show much,, and we need him out there...I would have gone to him on that last play, he is our quickest player to the hoop..and I think at least get a pull up jumper in the lane....Gates getting the ball at the top of the key isn't a good start for him... We need a big to step up and defend the post..Gates is too small to defend a big 5 like Chris D was today..(Rabs? Louth?) Nice to see HC come out of timeouts and change to a zone for one possession, I don't think NU scored on any of those changes.. Maybe this team is starting to get it... The kids and coaches are trying to find answers They don't have a point guard or centerThey play a style that doesn't work for the roster We are in year four of the contract, but the development of the team is year two DiMarz I would hope you are right, I still don't see the progress Perhaps the Christmas season will bless us with answers These two positions are considered by most to be the two most important positions on a team.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2022 8:16:44 GMT -5
And starting now, the spotlight on this team turns a little brighter......
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 11, 2022 8:17:06 GMT -5
My apologies to RGS. I got a bit carried away last night. Obviously it is hard for your bench to contribute much when as a group they are playing minimal minutes. Thank you - no apology needed but it is appreciated and accepted. I agree that we do not have enough depth to be able to use bench players for as many minutes as we might like, but I hope we remember that they appear to be dealing with injuries or illness (of unknown origin). I remember the role that RW played off the bench as our 6th man when he was a senior co-captain back in the day.
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Post by trimster on Dec 11, 2022 8:20:59 GMT -5
My apologies to RGS. I got a bit carried away last night. Obviously it is hard for your bench to contribute much when as a group they are playing minimal minutes. Thank you - no apology needed but it is appreciated and accepted. I agree that we do not have enough depth to be able to use bench players for as many minutes as we might like, but I hope we remember that they appear to be dealing with injuries or illness (of unknown origin). I remember the role that RW played off the bench as our 6th man when he was a senior co-captain back in the day. You’re welcome.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2022 8:29:05 GMT -5
Production yesterday by players over 6-6: 0 points, 4 turnovers
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 11, 2022 8:54:05 GMT -5
I will gladly do so, IF you will please stop making absurd statements that are factually incorrect. If you want to insult the team try to be accurate and perhaps even clever. (You also might want to use words with their actual meaning.) That will avoid whatever it is you call nitpicking, I am sure. The bench may not be to your liking but if we use 7 or more players each game, HC clearly has a bench. Did you really not see that? I don't think trimster was implying that there literally is no bench on the court or there are not seven scholarship players who sit on the bench throughout the game...
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Post by alum on Dec 11, 2022 9:00:45 GMT -5
After the second D3 game, I was worried that Q and NU would be twenty point blowouts. There are no moral victories and I am unimpressed with BN’s in game coaching, including player combinations, but at least there is enough happening that I will want to watch the PL games.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 11, 2022 10:30:00 GMT -5
After the second D3 game, I was worried that Q and NU would be twenty point blowouts. There are no moral victories and I am unimpressed with BN’s in game coaching, including player combinations, but at least there is enough happening that I will want to watch the PL games. I want the players to keep wanting to get better and at least seeing some personal progress, not get beaten down by some of these losses. Kind of saw that last night. Otherwise, when the year ends, whatever the coaching situation ends up being; the ones that can leave will.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2022 10:34:35 GMT -5
I feel like the defensive intensity has ramped up a bit in the last couple of games, so I guess that is progress.
Offensively, though, it just seems like they depend solely on individual skills (mainly, GG) to get things done. Yesterday, 7 assists and 14 turnovers. KFC may do chicken right; HC offense? Not so much.
Maybe someday Louth will come back, and there will be a little more depth.
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Post by Tom on Dec 11, 2022 10:42:14 GMT -5
Good to have Octave back. It looks like the plan is for a seven man rotation with spot minutes from others. Coulibaly has been dressing so rarely, it's more like 6, so when Octave is also unavailable it puts a lot of pressure on the depth of this squad.
Unlike Q where they failed to get the rebound to give them a chance for last minute heroics, HC had a good look to win it.
Yesterday was the Gates show with supporting cast.
The team has looked better to me the last couple of games. I'm not going to say they're good, but getting better
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Post by trimster on Dec 11, 2022 10:51:54 GMT -5
Good to have Octave back. It looks like the plan is for a seven man rotation with spot minutes from others. Coulibaly has been dressing so rarely, it's more like 6, so when Octave is also unavailable it puts a lot of pressure on the depth of this squad. Unlike Q where they failed to get the rebound to give them a chance for last minute heroics, HC had a good look to win it. Yesterday was the Gates show with supporting cast. The team has looked better to me the last couple of games. I'm not going to say they're good, but getting better I think NAD alluded to this but I am feeling desperate for some positive news about the hoop program. I guess two straight close losses is something positive but it does very little for me.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 11, 2022 11:32:07 GMT -5
Good to have Octave back. It looks like the plan is for a seven man rotation with spot minutes from others. Coulibaly has been dressing so rarely, it's more like 6, so when Octave is also unavailable it puts a lot of pressure on the depth of this squad. Unlike Q where they failed to get the rebound to give them a chance for last minute heroics, HC had a good look to win it. Yesterday was the Gates show with supporting cast. The team has looked better to me the last couple of games. I'm not going to say they're good, but getting better I think NAD alluded to this but I am feeling desperate for some positive news about the hoop program. I guess two straight close losses is something positive but it does very little for me. Here's a couple of positive tidbits (1) Will Batchelder has had two good games (at least statistically) in a row. I had been worried that he just scored against really weak teams (two D-3's and Stonehill) but did okay vs Q and NU (2) HC has held its opponent under 50% effective field goal percentage in each of the last five games. In our first 6 games we held only Dean under 50%
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Post by hchoops on Dec 11, 2022 13:39:28 GMT -5
Not Will’s fault, but when your (alleged) point gets one assist and your 5 man leads the team with 4, out of a mere 14, your offense is not in good shape
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Post by trimster on Dec 11, 2022 14:49:57 GMT -5
Not Will’s fault, but when your (alleged) point gets one assist and your 5 man leads the team with 4, out of a mere 14, your offense is not in good shape I think Batch has done a pretty decent job at the point. He has made some really nice feeds that haven't been cashed in.
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Post by Tom on Dec 11, 2022 18:04:17 GMT -5
I think NAD alluded to this but I am feeling desperate for some positive news about the hoop program. I guess two straight close losses is something positive but it does very little for me. Here's a couple of positive tidbits (1) Will Batchelder has had two good games (at least statistically) in a row. I had been worried that he just scored against really weak teams (two D-3's and Stonehill) but did okay vs Q and NU (2) HC has held its opponent under 50% effective field goal percentage in each of the last five games. In our first 6 games we held only Dean under 50% Will hasn't been looking for his shot. With about 5 minutes to go in the game, I think he was 2-4 from the floor
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2022 18:46:56 GMT -5
Others under this coach stopped looking for their shot- not sue if this is because of shot selection or requests from above
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