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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 20:05:25 GMT -5
Many dislike HC playing Merrimack and Bryant but those two football programs appear to be ascending to me. Sure, 'Nova, Delaware and W&M have more cachet now, but our neighboring FCS teams aren't tomato cans. Google says Worcester to Orono is 273 mi and four hours and ten minutes driving while Worcester to Lewisburg is 336 miles and five hours and thirty-one minutes driving. They might be ascending, but with all due respect it is a waste of our time to include them on our schedule iif we are honest, an OOC schedule that includes northeastern teams not in the CAA, should not be played. HYP are talented enough to beat us and if and when they do we lose standing nationally, because the decision makers don’t valueivy league football or games played by the northeastern colleges if this is entertaining the masses keep them on the schedule, if this is about winning a national championship let’s move forward, and at the first chance find a new home
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Post by cmo on Jan 10, 2023 20:13:06 GMT -5
I'm sure that's true because having been at games against Merrimack, home and away, they have great school spirit and pretty close by. That said, I'm a bit more interested in packing our place with Holy Cross fans, not opponents' fans. Might be just me. Opposing fans add a great element to the crowd
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2023 21:12:21 GMT -5
I'm sure that's true because having been at games against Merrimack, home and away, they have great school spirit and pretty close by. That said, I'm a bit more interested in packing our place with Holy Cross fans, not opponents' fans. Might be just me. You will regain your Ecumenical spirit during your Lenten Contemplation period.🤣
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2023 21:20:48 GMT -5
cmo & l/s, read carefully, it's not that I'm not interested in opposing fans coming to Fitton, they are more than welcome but I said I am MORE interested in getting Crusader fans into our beloved stadium. Always embarrassing if you get outcheered at home.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2023 21:21:53 GMT -5
Many dislike HC playing Merrimack and Bryant but those two football programs appear to be ascending to me. Sure, 'Nova, Delaware and W&M have more cachet now, but our neighboring FCS teams aren't tomato cans. Google says Worcester to Orono is 273 mi and four hours and ten minutes driving while Worcester to Lewisburg is 336 miles and five hours and thirty-one minutes driving. They might be ascending, but with all due respect it is a waste of our time to include them on our schedule iif we are honest, an OOC schedule that includes northeastern teams not in the CAA, should not be played. HYP are talented enough to beat us and if and when they do we lose standing nationally, because the decision makers don’t valueivy league football or games played by the northeastern colleges if this is enertaing the masses keep them on the schedule, if this is about winning a national championship let’s move forward, and at the first chance find a new home We can't pin the blame for HC only being seeded eighth and only losing to the national champion Jackrabbits on Merrimack can we? The Warriors were 8-3, only losing to 12-1 HC, 9-3 SFU and 6-4 Harvard.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 10, 2023 21:25:35 GMT -5
Judging by the last two games v Merrimack we may have the makings of a good MA Catholic school football rivalry. So it’s good to see them on the schedule IMHO. Certainly better than some of the Pennsy PL football schools in terms of fan interest and spirited games.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 21:31:59 GMT -5
They might be ascending, but with all due respect it is a waste of our time to include them on our schedule iif we are honest, an OOC schedule that includes northeastern teams not in the CAA, should not be played. HYP are talented enough to beat us and if and when they do we lose standing nationally, because the decision makers don’t valueivy league football or games played by the northeastern colleges if this is enertaing the masses keep them on the schedule, if this is about winning a national championship let’s move forward, and at the first chance find a new home We can't pin the blame for HC only being seeded eighth and only losing to the national champion Jackrabbits on Merrimack can we? The Warriors were 8-3, only losing to 12-1 HC, 9-3 SFU and 6-4 Harvard. Yes we can. Sac State as an undefeated team should have/could have been #1 and HC a 3-5 based on our record of success. The PL and our OOC schedule made a #8 seeding questioned -which is crazy! So yes, our competition, regardless of how some view it, penalized us in the playoffs
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2023 21:33:23 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that the type of schedule we have had the last few years playing at least one FBS school a year whether BC, Syracuse, Army, Navy, Buffalo, etc. that this does not preclude us from having both an entertaining schedule and still have the ability to be national contenders.
Yale and Harvard are both challenges and "entertaining" that Crusader fans want to see, well except maybe a couple or three. We've been playing UNH with some frequency and URI will be on future schedules. We've played UConn and UMass for "local" FBS teams.
I think the schedule is more than fine. Heck, we have the Ram-Crusader Cup game every year which is everything the Turnpike Trophy isn't. I also expect Colgate will return to a major role not just in the PL but within the FCS. Lehigh as well.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 10, 2023 21:36:42 GMT -5
Judging by the last two games v Merrimack we may have the makings of a good MA Catholic school football rivalry. So it’s good to see them on the schedule IMHO. Certainly better than some of the Pennsy PL football schools in terms of fan interest and spirited games. Not just a football rivalry. All sports. Great replacement for BU as our un-official in-state rival. For a true rivalry to form, both sides need to have skin in the game and I think you have that here.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2023 21:41:03 GMT -5
Merrimack has a small home field. But if they keep improving and we keep improving, perhaps they could use a future home game to host HC at Fenway Park. They could ask their alumnus Carl Yastrzemski to make a call to 4 Jersey Street. Maybe Yaz could flip the coin before the game in left field and then exit through that little door in the Green Monster.🙂
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Post by hcpride on Jan 10, 2023 21:43:35 GMT -5
Judging by the last two games v Merrimack we may have the makings of a good MA Catholic school football rivalry. So it’s good to see them on the schedule IMHO. Certainly better than some of the Pennsy PL football schools in terms of fan interest and spirited games. Not just a football rivalry. All sports. Great replacement for BU as our un-official in-state rival. For a true rivalry to form, both sides need to have skin in the game and I think you have that here. I was thinking more like our old BC football rival of the 60’s and 70’s and early 80’s but this time we’re the big brother and they’re the little brother that fights like heck for an upset now and again. Of course an all sports rivalry works too.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2023 21:45:15 GMT -5
Crusader-Warrior Cup to replace the Turnpike Trophy?
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2023 21:51:10 GMT -5
Cousy retired in 1963, Yaz was a rookie in 1961. I wonder if those two HOF-ers ever met on the rubber chicken circuit or elsewhere?
Next season the champions of the PL, the NEC and the Big South (Bryant) could conceivably all be located within an hour of Worcester if Bryant is eligible yet. I love FCS.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 21:52:07 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that the type of schedule we have had the last few years playing at least one FBS school a year whether BC, Syracuse, Army, Navy, Buffalo, etc. that this does not preclude us from having both an entertaining schedule and still have the ability to be national contenders. Yale and Harvard are both challenges and "entertaining" that Crusader fans want to see, well except maybe a couple or three. We've been playing UNH with some frequency and URI will be on future schedules. We've played UConn and UMass for "local" FBS teams. I think the schedule is more than fine. Heck, we have the Ram-Crusader Cup game every year which is everything the Turnpike Trophy isn't. I also expect Colgate will return to a major role not just in the PL but within the FCS. Lehigh as well. For all of us the schedule is pretty good. The question I was attempting to address was the SOS and how it impacts seeding and bids for the playoffs. If we don’t mind a SOS that hurts, that is fine. Any non FBS game we might lose really hurts because NE football and the PL are at best not highly regarded that can change, but it starts with the PL and we all see that is an unlikely event so if they won’t improve as a league and we are committed to stay, then our OOC schedule needs to be strengthened -if seeding is important
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 10, 2023 21:54:16 GMT -5
Not just a football rivalry. All sports. Great replacement for BU as our un-official in-state rival. For a true rivalry to form, both sides need to have skin in the game and I think you have that here. I was thinking more like our old BC football rival of the 60’s and 70’s and early 80’s but this time we’re the big brother and they’re the little brother that fights like heck for an upset now and again. Of course an all sports rivalry works too. We're certainly the big brother in football, at least for now. Merrimack is the big brother in M/W hockey. And we both sponsor lacrosse, baseball and soccer. Looking forward to a hoops series as well, especially as we progress into a respectable DI program again, hopefully.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 21:55:39 GMT -5
Boy is the world changing
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2023 21:55:59 GMT -5
HC can be highly regarded while NE FB and the PL aren't. Going 12-1 with an FBS win can do that.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 22:01:06 GMT -5
And what happens when we are 9-3 with an FCS loss in conference and don’t make the playoffs
As I said earlier it will take a few trips to the semis or winning a championship for the perception to change unless we change it on our own
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2023 22:01:39 GMT -5
Boy is the world changing You are correct. I thought BC and Army on the schedule in the same season was gone for good. But they're baaaack! FB has the strongest schedule of any HC sport, no?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 10, 2023 22:03:25 GMT -5
Many dislike HC playing Merrimack and Bryant but those two football programs appear to be ascending to me. Sure, 'Nova, Delaware and W&M have more cachet now, but our neighboring FCS teams aren't tomato cans. Google says Worcester to Orono is 273 mi and four hours and ten minutes driving while Worcester to Lewisburg is 336 miles and five hours and thirty-one minutes driving. They might be ascending, but with all due respect it is a waste of our time to include them on our schedule iif we are honest, an OOC schedule that includes northeastern teams not in the CAA, should not be played. HYP are talented enough to beat us and if and when they do we lose standing nationally, because the decision makers don’t valueivy league football or games played by the northeastern collegesif this is entertaining the masses keep them on the schedule, if this is about winning a national championship let’s move forward, and at the first chance find a new home I think you may be confusing "decision-makers" (assuming you mean the NCAA committee) with random hacks from the Dakotas who post regularly on Any Given Saturday. There's zero evidence that teams have been penalized come playoff selection time, for scheduling Ivies. I find it kind of funny that this year Fordham scheduled 3 CAA teams, beat all of them, and ultimately they received more clout for a close loss to a Patriot League team than they did for going 3-0 against the mighty CAA.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 22:03:41 GMT -5
Boy is the world changing You are correct. I thought BC and Army on the schedule in the same season was gone for good. But they're baaaack! FB has the strongest schedule of any HC sport, no? Yes, but it is how our league is viewed that impacts our SOS and seeding
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Post by efg72 on Jan 10, 2023 22:10:24 GMT -5
They might be ascending, but with all due respect it is a waste of our time to include them on our schedule iif we are honest, an OOC schedule that includes northeastern teams not in the CAA, should not be played. HYP are talented enough to beat us and if and when they do we lose standing nationally, because the decision makers don’t valueivy league football or games played by the northeastern collegesif this is entertaining the masses keep them on the schedule, if this is about winning a national championship let’s move forward, and at the first chance find a new home I think you may be confusing "decision-makers" (assuming you mean the NCAA committee) with random hacks from the Dakotas who post regularly on Any Given Saturday. There's zero evidence that teams have been penalized come playoff selection time, for scheduling Ivies. I find it kind of funny that this year Fordham scheduled 3 CAA teams, beat all of them, and ultimately they received more clout for a close loss to a Patriot League team than they did for going 3-0 against the mighty CAA. That is when you win those games. This is the first time we beat Harvard and Yale in the same season-what would have happened if we lost one and lost to Fordham- one loss a 12-15 seed, lose both and we are watching while a couple of 7-4 teams are playing and we are finished before Thanksgiving dont shoot the messenger I am trying to make sure we understand the implications of our conference affiliation
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Post by hcpride on Jan 10, 2023 22:11:01 GMT -5
They might be ascending, but with all due respect it is a waste of our time to include them on our schedule iif we are honest, an OOC schedule that includes northeastern teams not in the CAA, should not be played. HYP are talented enough to beat us and if and when they do we lose standing nationally, because the decision makers don’t valueivy league football or games played by the northeastern collegesif this is entertaining the masses keep them on the schedule, if this is about winning a national championship let’s move forward, and at the first chance find a new home I think you may be confusing "decision-makers" (assuming you mean the NCAA committee) with random hacks from the Dakotas who post regularly on Any Given Saturday. There's zero evidence that teams have been penalized come playoff selection time, for scheduling Ivies. I find it kind of funny that this year Fordham scheduled 3 CAA teams, beat all of them, and ultimately they received more clout for a close loss to a Patriot League team than they did for going 3-0 against the mighty CAA. Well, those were three awful CAA teams. Had they played and beat three of the better teams (UNH, W&M, and Delaware) it would have been a different story. But them’s the breaks. (I know they did ultimately play and lose to UNH in the playoffs).
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 10, 2023 22:40:32 GMT -5
Cousy retired in 1963, Yaz was a rookie in 1961. I wonder if those two HOF-ers ever met on the rubber chicken circuit or elsewhere? Next season the champions of the PL, the NEC and the Big South (Bryant) could conceivably all be located within an hour of Worcester if Bryant is eligible yet. I love FCS. Why would Bryant not be eligible? www.bryantbulldogs.com/general/2021-22/releases/20220329qwssxl
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Post by hc87 on Jan 11, 2023 0:04:50 GMT -5
I really don't get the antipathy toward the PL for HC football....while I couldn't largely care less about most of the PL games save for Colgate (historical purposes) and Fordham (competitiveness/historical/institutional ties).....the PL in football allows us to play an array of OOC foes like the Ivies, CAA schools and FBS programs.
I'd much rather be in a league of 7 membahs like the PL than the CAA and playing 1 or 2 OOC teams.
It's a perfect fit for HC football imo.
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