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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 20:50:36 GMT -5
I suspect we will owe Bryant a return game at their place -- but it may not be in 2023. Assuming Harvard is going off the schedule for the next few years, Brown or Dartmouth are potential replacements. In my day (the '60s), we played Dartmouth every year. In fact, I believe they are one of the four schools we've played the most (the other three being, BC, Colgate, and Harvard). Haven't played them recently and that's been a real shame. Getting them back on the schedule on a regular basis would be a major plus in my book.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 20:52:05 GMT -5
Only game I could do without is Merrimack, and of course a few of the PL teams We're in the PL for keeps in football and that's how it should be.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 15, 2022 20:55:00 GMT -5
We shall see Fasten our seat belts if things change
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 20:58:03 GMT -5
No reason to play Merrimack ever again, other than getting a win I couldn't agree more. After a home-and-home, why in God's name are we playing these guys again. The game does absolutely nothing for us and would be a major black eye in the event of a loss.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 15, 2022 20:58:59 GMT -5
Is Bryant going to be a "regular" on our schedule, do you think? How about URI or Brown? Hopefully not. As I've said in other posts, schools like Bryant are all downside and no upside for HC, especially after (but even before) our outstanding season this year. We will be much better off scheduling Ivies, CAA squads, and the occasional lower level FBS teams (like Army, Navy, UConn and BC) for our out of conference engagements. Bryants, Merrimacks, CCSUs, etc. do absolutely nothing for us. I'd almost prefer an open date if the only way to fill it is with one of those schools. Brown and URI are clearly far preferable. Bryant basically said the same thing about playing Patriot League teams.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 20:59:15 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a game at Polar Park this year. But who knows I guess. Wish we could play an opponent at home that has more than 50 fans. I could give a rat's ass for playing at Polar Park. What's wrong with Fitton?
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 21:03:40 GMT -5
Give me two CAA teams( UNH, NOVA, W&M, Richmond, Elon) If stuck with the PL that is six games One ivy One FBS-two in 12 game seasons One top FCS team from the midwest I don't need NE teams that don't make me better in terms of talent or SOS If that schedule was 2022 and our results were 11-0 we would have been the #1-3 seed The future is about being great at this level, not playing others that need us to be successful If Merrimack, Bryant, SHU and Stonehill raise their rankings to be on par with the CAA teams you mentioned would you prefer the CAA teams, the mostly Catholic New England teams I mentioned or have no preference? In answer to your specific question, I'm CAA all the way (Elon excluded) . Merrimack, Bryant, SHU and Stonehill (!) would be major steps down for the program.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 21:08:21 GMT -5
2023 Schedule is set Merrimack @bc @yale Colgate Lafayette Harvard @bucknell @fordham @lehigh @army Georgetown A lot of talent returning especially on offense and a few areas of concern. Defensively the big question is does Dobbs come back or is he headed to the portal? Secondary takes big hit needing to replace Smith, Reynolds, Prince and Argys, Dline has depth and will have to replace the Ends. Spring football will be here before we know it. 2023 shaping up to be another exciting season just need some BIG pieces to fall into place.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 21:14:07 GMT -5
No complaint about the schedule for '23. In fact it is one of the most attractive HC schedules I've seen in recent memory. Agreed...except for Merrimack and only five home games...especially considering that we draw better than most opponents do at their places.
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Post by jkh67 on Dec 15, 2022 21:16:29 GMT -5
Hopefully not. As I've said in other posts, schools like Bryant are all downside and no upside for HC, especially after (but even before) our outstanding season this year. We will be much better off scheduling Ivies, CAA squads, and the occasional lower level FBS teams (like Army, Navy, UConn and BC) for our out of conference engagements. Bryants, Merrimacks, CCSUs, etc. do absolutely nothing for us. I'd almost prefer an open date if the only way to fill it is with one of those schools. Brown and URI are clearly far preferable. Bryant basically said the same thing about playing Patriot League teams. Good for them. So let's stop playing them.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 15, 2022 21:17:25 GMT -5
I wonder if Bryant was bounced for Army. On Nov 11, Bryant is playing a school I never heard of.
I see that this school I never heard of is in their conference.
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Post by Sertorius on Dec 15, 2022 21:18:50 GMT -5
I don't think there will be a game at Polar Park this year. But who knows I guess. Wish we could play an opponent at home that has more than 50 fans. I could give a rat's ass for playing at Polar Park. What's wrong with Fitton? It was my first trip to Polar Park, and it was really awesome to be able to lean over the endline during play. The view from both end zones were top-notch. Views from everywhere else in the stadium not so much.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 15, 2022 21:41:24 GMT -5
I suspect we will owe Bryant a return game at their place -- but it may not be in 2023. Assuming Harvard is going off the schedule for the next few years, Brown or Dartmouth are potential replacements. In my day (the '60s), we played Dartmouth every year. In fact, I believe they are one of the four schools we've played the most (the other three being, BC, Colgate, and Harvard). Haven't played them recently and that's been a real shame. Getting them back on the schedule on a regular basis would be a major plus in my book. It’s Dartmouth that has refused to renew the series with HC. At this point it’s up to Buddy if and when the series will be resume with HC and other PL teams. It seems they rather play Pioneer and NEC teams.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2022 21:47:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Bryant was bounced for Army. On Nov 11, Bryant is playing a school I never heard of.I see that this school I never heard of is in their conference. Yup, the Big South and OVC merged their football conferences.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2022 21:52:37 GMT -5
Bryant and Merrimack are about at the level football-wise of many of the teams we play these days, bettah than some. They just don't have the football tradition/history ....different FCS world these days.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 15, 2022 21:57:42 GMT -5
They have no reputation for SOS
If we remain in the PL we need to have a top 20 SOS for the playoffs, as not every regular season will we be 11-0
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 22:57:23 GMT -5
In my day (the '60s), we played Dartmouth every year. In fact, I believe they are one of the four schools we've played the most (the other three being, BC, Colgate, and Harvard). Haven't played them recently and that's been a real shame. Getting them back on the schedule on a regular basis would be a major plus in my book. It’s Dartmouth that has refused to renew the series with HC. At this point it’s up to Buddy if and when the series will be resume with HC and other PL teams. It seems they rather play Pioneer and NEC teams. The way I understand it, the policy is to broaden the presence of Dartmouth in farther flung areas than Worcester, MA where it is already well known and defined. Not sure I buy that. I also enjoyed visiting Hanover for HC football as it usually came during peak foliage time. There are advantages to building on existing regional awareness of HC when we play in New England and to introducing HC to new areas farther away. It all depends on how well multiple college departments work together to leverage the base positive exposure a championship team generates. The college appeared to be caught a little flat footed with the short notice trip to Brookings.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 15, 2022 23:14:40 GMT -5
Future schedules have Dartmouth playing New Hampshire, Lehigh and Colgate in 2023 and Fordham, Army and Central Connecticut in the OOC in 2024.
Seems as if the Pandemic has caused Dartmouth to rethink traveling to Florida, California and the Mid West. If they don’t want to play HC on an home and home basis, that’s ok. Hard to believe there is still bad blood from the game in 2006 with the fight back after the overtime victory when Dartmouth players got peeved when they claimed HC deliberately danced on their emblem at mid field.
Gets kind of boring seeing the same OOC teams each year. I agree it is a nice trip up to Hanover in the fall. A quick three hour trip for me. HC and Dartmouth has played 80 times with the series standing in Dartmouth’s favor - 40-37 with 3 ties.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 15, 2022 23:21:27 GMT -5
2023 Schedule is set Merrimack @bc @yale Colgate Lafayette Harvard @bucknell @fordham @lehigh @army Georgetown A lot of talent returning especially on offense and a few areas of concern. Defensively the big question is does Dobbs come back or is he headed to the portal? Secondary takes big hit needing to replace Smith, Reynolds, Prince and Argys, Dline has depth and will have to replace the Ends. Spring football will be here before we know it. 2023 shaping up to be another exciting season just need some BIG pieces to fall into place. That is a quality schedule. Harvard might be the only game eligible for Polar depending on when the field can be ready for football. That might get a few more Cantabrigians out to Worcester to see the ballpark but I'd rather see that game at Fitton. I think Merrimack will bring more fans than many CAA teams would. Besides, how excited is a W&M, Villanova or Richmond to come to New England for an OOC game with no guarantee? CAA teams only get three OOC games per year. They might want to keep their two FCS OOC games regional. When I compare the level of excitement for FCS football at Merrimack and Villanova, there is no comparison. Enthusiasm has a power all it's own. Look for a loud visiting side at Fitton to start the season.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 15, 2022 23:53:26 GMT -5
I wonder if Bryant was bounced for Army. On Nov 11, Bryant is playing a school I never heard of.I see that this school I never heard of is in their conference. Lindenwood has played D-1 Women's hockey since 2014 and just moved up to D-1 in all sports for the 2022-2023 school year as a member of the Ohio Valley Conference.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 15, 2022 23:56:18 GMT -5
Future schedules have Dartmouth playing New Hampshire, Lehigh and Colgate in 2023 and Fordham, Army and Central Connecticut in the OOC in 2024. Seems as if the Pandemic has caused Dartmouth to rethink traveling to Florida, California and the Mid West. If they don’t want to play HC on an home and home basis, that’s ok. Hard to believe there is still bad blood from the game in 2006 with the fight back after the overtime victory when Dartmouth players got peeved claimed HC deliberately danced on their emblem at mid field. Gets kind of boring seeing the same OOC teams each year. I agree it is a nice trip up to Hanover in the fall. A quick three hour trip for me. HC and Dartmouth has played 80 times with the series standing in Dartmouth’s favor - 40-37 with 3 ties. The renewal of the UNH series was announced in 2018 with a start date of 2021. Having an instate rival for Dartmouth is much more important to them over HC. www.unionleader.com/sports/college/unh-dartmouth-gridders-to-play-six-times-in-eight-years/article_0be5fb80-a689-5e65-ab7f-a979c7d8987e.htmlDartmouth is also playing at Army in 2024.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 16, 2022 9:50:21 GMT -5
They have no reputation for SOS If we remain in the PL we need to have a top 20 SOS for the playoffs, as not every regular season will we be 11-0 Reputation means very, very little for SOS except for a place like a message board. Many on this board (myself included) looked at the schedule at the start of the season and figured beating Harvard and Yale would be helpful for our SOS. That was an assertion based on reputation and how those teams had fared the last few years. As luck would have it, while beating Harvard and Yale was certainly something that pumped up the alumni, it really didn't matter much for SOS. Yale wound up having a very good season, won the Ivy League and finished 8-2. Harvard was down, finished 4-3 in the Ivy and 6-4 overall. The win didn't look as impressive as the season went on, even though to us as alums it meant a lot more. Meanwhile, for those of you clamoring to see Dartmouth on the schedule, they finished 3-7 overall, 2-5 in the Ivy. Merrimack went 8-3 and 6-1 in the NEC. The challenge with building an effective non-con schedule is it's all an attempt at being predictive. A slate that looks really good in August in terms of quality might look completely different by the time NCAA selections come. There's also an art to non-con scheduling that I think many of you are missing. There's benefits to playing teams like Bryant or Merrimack or whomever for a variety of reasons. It could be the opponent's style of play, their packages, their athleticism, their combinations, their play calling, etc. etc. that can give HC different looks during the season and better prepare them for those types of opponents in the postseason. In short, while you might have some issues with the construction of the non-con schedule, it's done with a level of thought and discernment by Coach and the administration for reasons that you probably aren't recognizing. The schedule they put together on a year-to-year basis is a reflection of the competition they want (hope) to get that will make the team better as the year goes on. Simple as that. The thinking behind schedule creation in the 2020s has to go beyond "We played a team a lot 60 years ago and because of that we should play them again." Would it be nice to see Dartmouth on the schedule again? Sure, why not. But does playing them when they're 2-5 in the Ivy help Holy Cross? Well, would it have helped them more than playing a good Merrimack team that lost to Harvard by a TD (Harvard beat Dartmouth by 2 scores)? Would it have been better than Bryant? Buffalo?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 16, 2022 9:55:21 GMT -5
Don't disagree with the numerous factors in scheduling and even SOS, but looking at programs over time does give some predictability and to a degree influences SOS rankings going into a season.
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 16, 2022 10:34:33 GMT -5
I like to have a historic rivalry and/or a regional team that will bring fans to Fitton. I do not see the need to play two Ivies or two Ivies plus an NEC or Big South. To me, our SoS will only be helped next year by BC and Army being FBS teams. Yale should be good and help SoS a bit. Some could make an argument that Colgate and Lafayette are on the upswing and Lehigh is bound to improve a tad with a new coaching staff, but none of those games help our SoS. Yes everyone wants winnable games that count (that's why most FBS teams schedule an OOC or FCS cupcake here and there) but we also need to think about SoS. HC is in a unique position perhaps alongside the Ivy champ or runner-up (if they went to the playoffs) in being a current FCS football power from the Northeast.
We can speculate about what CAA teams would bring fans, etc, but we really don't know outside of UNH. I would like to see that game be a regular/biennial match-up.
I still feel like something is incomplete. If 'Gate is Sept. 23 and Laffy is Oct. 21, that's 3 weeks. Even with the Harvard game and a bye in there, we are still missing one game in that stretch.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 16, 2022 11:27:56 GMT -5
Are 12 games allowed next season The schedule above has 11
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