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Post by hc1998 on Dec 12, 2022 8:09:27 GMT -5
So you are saying if HC and Navy (and Army and AF too for that matter) had openings and both offered the same coach, and made an offer in line with their typical salary structure, etc. that most candidates would choose HC? Thats ludicrous. Not only are their salaries MUCH higher, but at least in the case of Navy they have been a top 25 team several times in the last few years...so while I recognize coaching an academy is unique and you are hamstrung a bit when you put your roster together, most coaches would prefer to coach a service academy than Holy Cross Not what I said We are talking about Coach Chesney and he is here - not other candidatex Dang I must not be articulating clearly, assuming we all are addressing the same topic, or people read or hear what they want. Likely it is me but....you all try to create problems that don't exist at the moment Talk to the coach, listen to him, and then tell me what he is saying that is different than what he tells his players, recruits, and staff I recognize there are unique challenges and restraints to coaching at a service academy then anywhere else...however I have a hard time believing Chesney, or any other coach, would pass up that opportunity, exposure, and money to remain at HC. What I could see Chesney doing is choosing to remain at HC until a more attractive FCS job opened up (for example, our neighbors to the east), but that is not exactly choosing HC over the service academy. And while Army/Navy/Air Force isn't the same as taking a job at Notre Dame or Alabama, all 3 programs have been in the top 25 in the last five years and are often bowl eligible. I'm sure alot of people and players who talked to Deion thought he was at Jackson State for the long haul too. |
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 12, 2022 8:13:41 GMT -5
Pros and cons as a head coach at USNA: Pros: Good, through not astronomical salary ($3 million) Football has lion's share of a $40 million budget funded through private foundation (NAAA) Few if any off-field incidents with players Able to recruit nationally Annapolis is a great place to live Full institutional support as long as you beat Army Cons: Five year military service obligation at commissioning Higher academic requirements, some height and weight requirements as well Not gong to be in the ballpark for Top 200 recruits No path to the top 25 given softer schedulesFootball is not the sole priority for Midshipmen it would be elsewhere It comes down to what a coach wants to be and where his next stop is. Ken Niumatalolo leaves USNA as the longest tenured coach in the academy's history and took them to 11 bowls in 15 years. He will have options. Navy finished ranked in 2015 and 2018 when in the AAC so there is a way to finish ranked. And Air Force finished ranked very recently and Army was ranked at one point, I believe as recently as last year...there is arguably a "softer schedule" but most teams that crack the top 25 can stay there if they keep winning, so Army had every opportunity to also finish the season ranked. |
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Post by alum on Dec 12, 2022 8:16:22 GMT -5
YHTBFKM. The article you posted showed that the drop in academy applications had as much to do with COVID related restrictions on high school visits as anything. I am sure you also know that the size of the national high school senior classes continues to decline (because people didn't have sex and conceive children 18 years ago during the Bush Adminstration.) Maybe high school kids have figured out that they can become military officers while having a normal collegiate career through ROTC or post graduation officer candidate school. Maybe they just don't want to have a college experience where people yell at them for stupid things because of some inane theory that will make them better leaders of men and women at some point in the future. Oh, and did it ever occur to anyone that if young people don't want to wear business clothes to work (or even go to the office) they certainly don't want a job at which they can get in trouble because they failed to keep their uniform just so? Give the woke crap a rest. |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 12, 2022 8:27:48 GMT -5
As I said earlier in this thread, Academy coaching opportunities can be a great job, for the right person, at the right time in their life. If they happen to be part of the academy coaching family even better. It is not a job for everybody, just like attending a military academy is not for all, despite it being an honor to serve our country.
I grew up in the military, was recruited by and received my appointment to the USAFA, changed my mind at the last minute, and upon graduation was drafted by Uncle Sam. A great school, just not for everybody.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 12, 2022 8:43:31 GMT -5
ESPN had an article last week in anticipation of the Army - Navy game - in summary NIL and the portal have made it more difficult than ever to build a top FBS program - Navy’s AAC opponents have gotten bigger and stronger in the last few years and separated themselves from Navy’s athleticism
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Post by sader81 on Dec 12, 2022 8:47:04 GMT -5
Ches has to make a move before he’s 50, so he has some time. He owes it to himself and his family to cash out at some point. I think better opportunities will come his way, even this year.
The academies are unique. No big fat strong guys need apply, so throw out the majority of modern day offenses, and the triple option may be their only option!
On the other side of the coin, I recall being recruited by Navy in the mid 70s. Their pitch to me at the time was that the average Navy grad will make $100k a year 5 years after leaving service. What is that in todays dollars, half a million? No better place in the world to live than Annapolis!
In 1980, we played Columbia the same weekend that Navy played ND at the Meadowlands. We happened to stay at the same hotel as Navy the night before the game, the Marriot in Saddle Brook, NJ. I wandered around before bed check, and while on the elevator, George Welch and his wife got on. I wished coach “good luck,” and he mumbled “we’ll need it.” With that, his wife says: “ George, you remember him -that’s P……., you recruited him a few years ago!”
Ches can do a lot worse than Navy, but he can do better too!
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2022 9:00:24 GMT -5
Amen Someday perhaps, but unlikely anytime soon. We create our own headaches without a reason IMHO, I have to say that there is a reason for some headaches...nht The main purpose for posts such as his is simply to take shots at HC and all connected with it. |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2022 9:06:44 GMT -5
The rationales trying to say Navy is a crappy job are absolutely amazing. It's actually funny. Who actually said that? The job carries some drawbacks, but I can't recall it being said by anyone using that term. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2022 9:37:20 GMT -5
Two things we, as fans/alums have going for us this year vis a vis Chesney looking to move upwards.
1) As I look across the FBS and top-tier FCS landscape, I don't see any jobs that Chesney would readily jump at that are currently vacant. Also, it's really, really hard to see Chesney going to another FCS school at this juncture (unless HC really fumbles the ball here and handcuffs him and the program by no longer allowing non-medical redshirts). Is there a job in the CAA that is more attractive than HC? Not today. Would he want the Harvard, Yale, or Princeton job if one of them opened? I think he'd get bored there, with your season ending each year in mid-November and not being able to play in the post-season. Chesney just isn't going to a MAC-type school. It's not who he is. Navy does worry me a little bit, if they were able to make a strong move to go after him. There are a lot of boxes Navy would check for Chesney.
2) The bigger of the two points is that I think HC might project to be even better next season. With a more "national schedule" (Army and BC), the chance to win five straight PLCs, advance deeper into the FCS playoffs, etc...his name will be even hotter and bigger next season (early on). From a personal branding perspective, next year would really be the time to jump, rather than this season.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 12, 2022 9:47:08 GMT -5
No path to the top 25 given softer schedules That's not exactly true. Every year from 2015-19 (with the exception of the 2018 season), Navy ranked inside the top 25 at some point during the season. Also, is making somewhere around $2.5mm annually in Annapolis without the headaches of typical P5 programs (NIL, transfer portal, etc.) and having some pretty good job security so long as you win around 7-8 games each season and beat Army more than you lose to them, all that bad? Fortunately, it seems like Navy won't hire an "outsider"...so think we are safe. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 12, 2022 9:47:41 GMT -5
And...there is a chance that both BC and Syracuse are moving on from coaches next year or the year after. ACC certainly trumps a watered down AAC (after the aforementioned teams leave for the Big 12). With Ches' belief and confidence, I have to think that he thinks he can become a head coach and win at a P5 school if he wants. Regardless, let's win a natty next year and give him some good reason to think about sticking around as long as Stig has at SDSU.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 12, 2022 10:10:16 GMT -5
It's hard to turn down the kind of $$$ some (Navy included) FBS programs throw around these days admittedly.
I think Ches would like to someday take that next step at some point. But there's also something to be said in coaching at a Holy Cross or at a Harvard (like Tim Murphy has) for a longish duration/tenure: coaching nearly all "great kids," have just about all the facilities/support etc to have a national-level contendah, nowhere near the pressure that you'll find at many FBS schools etc.
I know Duff would not have stayed at HC if he had to do it all ovah again, his hand was basically forced,...but I do know having spoken with him ovah the years that he has said he was nevah happier in a coaching position than he was at HC. Many other examples, Teevens coming back to Dartmouth from Stanford....pretty sure Bob Blackman was nevah too happy at Illinois after leaving Dartmouth in the early 1970s. You could even add our Doc Anderson returning to HC after his time at Iowa.
Lot of these examples may not be as germane to today's college football landscape I admit....but the age-old adage of
"the grass isn't always greener elsewhere" still applies imo.
Maybe Ches will ultimately be our Eddie Anderson 2.0....who knows.
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Post by Ray on Dec 12, 2022 11:14:37 GMT -5
Edit: efg72 already posted the article from The Athletic. Thought that was an excellent overview of the challenges currently facing USNA.
I believe Chesney inevitably jumps up, but I don't think this is the job that pries him loose.
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 12, 2022 14:51:57 GMT -5
Amen Someday perhaps, but unlikely anytime soon. We create our own headaches without a reason IMHO, I have to say that there is a reason for the headaches...nht The main purpose for posts such as his is simply to take shots at HC and all connected with it. Dumbest post ever. |
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 12, 2022 15:22:03 GMT -5
IMHO, I have to say that there is a reason for the headaches...nht The main purpose for posts such as his is simply to take shots at HC and all connected with it. Dumbest post ever. Thank you for showing why my post was correct.  Was the title of this thread. "Stop kidding yourselves" supposed endear you to HC fans? |
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Post by hcnj on Dec 12, 2022 15:39:25 GMT -5
This is exactly why these threads are so upsetting, our own fans get so caught up in the fear of the unknown we lose perspective and disparage each other. I doubt anyone on this board can do anything in terms of HCBC getting/not getting or, looking favorably/unfavorably on them. I don't feel HC has done anything but treat the coach and staff with absolute respect so I'd hate to see him go but think he's made his job into a premier FCS position making it easier to attract top talent. I also agree that the team will likely be even better next year despite the graduating talent.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 16, 2022 17:47:09 GMT -5
Chesney is a young guy who wants it all. Holy Cross is not the job that fulfills his dreams Thank you Bob all the best HE’LL BE THE NEXT NAVY COACH When’s the press conference? And who should we hire? |
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Post by hc17 on Dec 19, 2022 10:28:15 GMT -5
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 19, 2022 12:15:40 GMT -5
Chesney's answers in that one video interview is probably the best response I have seen. "Wouldn't you want your head coach to be talked about in that manner"....or something to the effect. Of course he will leave at some point, and good for him if he does. He will have deserved it. I don't think it is this year however. I also don't think he wants to move to be a DC somewhere, unless its P5 money. Let's enjoy him and this ride as long as we can, and then promote Smith or James to HC when he does jump up.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 19, 2022 13:56:04 GMT -5
This thread was ridiculous when it started and remains so as it (hopefully) fades into oblivion.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 19, 2022 14:03:35 GMT -5
Teamer, maybe delete now?
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