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Post by hc87 on Dec 12, 2022 10:23:08 GMT -5
Just thought of this now....beats grading papers....but we would have to be Lambert Cup Champs this year, no?
It's lost a bit of its juice since the 20th C, but it's still a hell of an achievement!
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2022 10:40:30 GMT -5
I would say yes.
Only question mark would be is whether or not William & Mary is considered the "East" or the "South". IMO, Richmond and Williamsburg are both "the South".
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 12, 2022 10:42:29 GMT -5
I would think so! Do playoffs come into the equation as "last man standing" from the East or is it based on record on ranking? I would think we would win it over the Tribe, anyway.
FYI...William and Mary did when the Lambert twice in the 1990s.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Dec 12, 2022 10:47:20 GMT -5
I would say yes. Only question mark would be is whether or not William & Mary is considered the "East" or the "South". IMO, Richmond and Williamsburg are both "the South". I agree, although in conversation with someone recently from Mississippi I referenced North Carolina relatives as being from "the South" and this person replied, "oh, honey, North Carolina isn't the South." |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2022 10:51:00 GMT -5
I would say yes. Only question mark would be is whether or not William & Mary is considered the "East" or the "South". IMO, Richmond and Williamsburg are both "the South". I agree, although in conversation with someone recently from Mississippi I referenced North Carolina relatives as being from "the South" and this person replied, "oh, honey, North Carolina isn't the South." I could maybe see that from the perspective of someone from the deep south. I have family in Raleigh and that city feels like the Northeast in a lot of ways (actually reminds me of Stamford or White Plains, NY). But having tons of family in Virginia, most in that state consider anything south of Fredericksburg to be "the South". James Madison and George Mason, for example, are not Southern schools. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 12, 2022 11:37:40 GMT -5
I agree, although in conversation with someone recently from Mississippi I referenced North Carolina relatives as being from "the South" and this person replied, "oh, honey, North Carolina isn't the South." I could maybe see that from the perspective of someone from the deep south. I have family in Raleigh and that city feels like the Northeast in a lot of ways (actually reminds me of Stamford or White Plains, NY). But having tons of family in Virginia, most in that state consider anything south of Fredericksburg to be "the South". James Madison and George Mason, for example, are not Southern schools. Mason definitely is not. I lived in Arlington for a year and Manassas for two years and they are distinctly mid-Atlantic or Northeast feeling, just with brutally humid summers. JMU has a neat vibe to it because it really is in the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains. I would call JMU Appalachian more than Southern or Mid-Atlantic. I actually went skiing in Homestead just down the road from JMU. Regardless, I do think we should be Lambert Cup Champs! |
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 12, 2022 19:42:29 GMT -5
Here’s the geographic eligibility from this website: jonfmorse.com/wiki/index.php?title=Football_Championship_Subdivision_Lambert_CupThe Football Championship Subdivision Lambert Cup is presented to the team selected by poll as the best FCS team in the East each football season. Previously, teams in this category had competed for the Lambert Trophy from 1936-1956, the Lambert Cup (no qualifier) from 1957-1965, and the Division II Lambert Cup from 1966-1981, when the Division I-AA Lambert Cup was created. The Football Championship Subdivision Lambert Cup is reserved for NCAA Division I FCS teams located in New England, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, as well as teams in Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Delaware, and the District of Columbia who play half their games against teams in the previous group. Teams in eastern-based conferences who also play half their games against Lambert-eligible teams are themselves eligible (for example, Elon will become eligible upon beginning football play in the Colonial Athletic Association). |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2022 20:01:42 GMT -5
Are there other regional equivalents to the Lambert?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 12, 2022 20:08:44 GMT -5
www.thecrimson.com/article/1966/11/1/harvard-leads-in-lambert-trophy-voting/Here's a blast from the (1966) past. I believe the Lambert trophy now would go to an FBS team. It was mildly disappointing not to see HC listed among the mid season leaders back in '66. But we are surely among the leaders today. I believe the Ivies went to bowls when invited when D-1 was unified so it remains a head scratcher why they boycott the FCS playoffs.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2022 21:46:39 GMT -5
www.thecrimson.com/article/1966/11/1/harvard-leads-in-lambert-trophy-voting/Here's a blast from the (1966) past. I believe the Lambert trophy now would go to an FBS team. It was mildly disappointing not to see HC listed among the mid season leaders back in '66. But we are surely among the leaders today. I believe the Ivies went to bowls when invited when D-1 was unified so it remains a head scratcher why they boycott the FCS playoffs. Only in the very early years. A couple of them went to the Rose Bowl in the early 1900's. Of course that was well before the Ivy League was actually formed. The schools were more of a loose association referred to in the tabloids as the "Ivy League" because of the plant-life gracing many of the buildings on these campuses. The official athletic conference started in the late 40's I believe with seven schools, Brown became the official 8th sometime in the 1950's. Fun fact: the Ivy League Championship track meets are still referred to as Heptagonals or more informally "Heps", a reference that dates back to the short time period where there were only seven Ivies before Brown joined the league. But the Ivy League postseason ban extended well prior to the I-A/I-AA split. The 1969 and 1970 Dartmouth teams were the last to finish in the UPI Top 20 and both declined bowl opportunities, even at the behest of Brown alum Joe Paterno who was pining to set up a bowl matchup between the Big Green and Pen State. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2022 21:57:31 GMT -5
Here’s the geographic eligibility from this website: jonfmorse.com/wiki/index.php?title=Football_Championship_Subdivision_Lambert_CupThe Football Championship Subdivision Lambert Cup is presented to the team selected by poll as the best FCS team in the East each football season. Previously, teams in this category had competed for the Lambert Trophy from 1936-1956, the Lambert Cup (no qualifier) from 1957-1965, and the Division II Lambert Cup from 1966-1981, when the Division I-AA Lambert Cup was created. The Football Championship Subdivision Lambert Cup is reserved for NCAA Division I FCS teams located in New England, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, as well as teams in Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Delaware, and the District of Columbia who play half their games against teams in the previous group. Teams in eastern-based conferences who also play half their games against Lambert-eligible teams are themselves eligible (for example, Elon will become eligible upon beginning football play in the Colonial Athletic Association). Interesting wrinkle on the eligibility. By my count, William & Mary is eligible because they are in an "eastern-based conference" and played 9 regular season games out of 11 against Lambert-eligible teams. Elon would also be eligible because they're also in the CAA and played 8/11 games against Lambert-eligible teams. You could pretty much flip a coin between Holy Cross and William & Mary this year. Prior to the quarterfinals, I'd have given W&M the slight edge but their performance in Bozeman, MT was a total disaster (didn't help that their athletic dept. didn't provide them with the proper cleats for the icy turf) while we played toe-to-toe with #1 for 50 minutes. So slight edge Holy Cross. |
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 12, 2022 22:01:42 GMT -5
I saw a post about the ECAC awarding the Lambert in 2019 and 2020 at the same time (pandemic presumably?) But I did not see anything for 2021. Did this somehow cease to exist? That would be very unfortunate.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2022 0:02:16 GMT -5
www.thecrimson.com/article/1966/11/1/harvard-leads-in-lambert-trophy-voting/Here's a blast from the (1966) past. I believe the Lambert trophy now would go to an FBS team. It was mildly disappointing not to see HC listed among the mid season leaders back in '66. But we are surely among the leaders today. I believe the Ivies went to bowls when invited when D-1 was unified so it remains a head scratcher why they boycott the FCS playoffs. Only in the very early years. A couple of them went to the Rose Bowl in the early 1900's. Of course that was well before the Ivy League was actually formed. The schools were more of a loose association referred to in the tabloids as the "Ivy League" because of the plant-life gracing many of the buildings on these campuses. The official athletic conference started in the late 40's I believe with seven schools, Brown became the official 8th sometime in the 1950's. Fun fact: the Ivy League Championship track meets are still referred to as Heptagonals or more informally "Heps", a reference that dates back to the short time period where there were only seven Ivies before Brown joined the league. But the Ivy League postseason ban extended well prior to the I-A/I-AA split. The 1969 and 1970 Dartmouth teams were the last to finish in the UPI Top 20 and both declined bowl opportunities, even at the behest of Brown alum Joe Paterno who was pining to set up a bowl matchup between the Big Green and Pen State. That's fascinating that the Ivies initially did not include Brown. If Brown never joined they would still be a fine institution. But they wouldn't be an Ivy. Would they be thought of more like a Providence sized B.U., Northeastern or NYU? Would they even be a Northwestern or Duke if they weren't in the Ivy League? |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 13, 2022 5:55:06 GMT -5
I saw a post about the ECAC awarding the Lambert in 2019 and 2020 at the same time (pandemic presumably?) But I did not see anything for 2021. Did this somehow cease to exist? That would be very unfortunate. Penn State was awarded the Lambert Trophy for 2022, after no winner in 2021. |
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Post by hc87 on Dec 17, 2022 16:45:44 GMT -5
Yeah, that's interesting how they changed who was awarded the Lambert Trophy from "best team in the East" to "most outstanding achievement that season" in 1965 or so. I nevah knew that. I know Paterno was howling when Dartmouth won it in 1970 ovah his Nittany Lions.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 6, 2023 9:12:10 GMT -5
Was thinking about this and according to Wiki the Lambert cup/trophy for FBS and FCS was last awarded in 2020 - sad to see a tradition ended
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Post by timholycross on Apr 6, 2023 9:41:12 GMT -5
Brown, Penn and Harvard were in Pasadena in 1916, 17 and 20, respectively. Columbia, of all schools, was the last participant and winner, in 1934.
Surprised that back in the day, Yale and Princeton never played in a bowl game.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 6, 2023 11:03:29 GMT -5
This is the entity that now 'owns' rights to the Lambert Trophy / Cup. americanfootballnetworks.com/All the subsidiary links (e.g., regional links, NCAA division links, etc.) seem to be dead ends. Americanfootballnetworks appears to be a defunct entity. |
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2023 15:17:59 GMT -5
Crossports should buy the rights in exchange for one of HC '87's better prizes and award the Lambert Cup and Trophy, fairly, each year. Although the cup may have a hard time getting inside Rte. 128.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 6, 2023 15:55:33 GMT -5
The FCS Lambert Cup membership are basically the ECAC schools in the Ivy, CAA, NEC, and Patriot.
That said, it has not been awarded since 2020 and is not listed on the ECAC site.
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