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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2022 18:55:35 GMT -5
Five years out of high school, Matt Sluka will be giving BC fits in September. The prep year option gives HC more mature athletes and stronger students with an extra year of education when they enroll.
Plus a blue chip FCS recruit who is good enough to play as a Freshman may not want to wait to shine under five year regimes at other schools and thus choose Holy Cross if this concept is communicated to him and his family skillfully.
Coach Chesney is a great communicator.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 20, 2022 19:06:07 GMT -5
Five years out of high school, Matt Sluka will be giving BC fits in September. The prep year option gives HC more mature athletes and stronger students with an extra year of education when they enroll. Plus a blue chip FCS recruit who is good enough to play as a Freshman may not want to wait to shine under five year regimes at other schools and thus choose Holy Cross if this concept is communicated to him and his family skillfully. Coach Chesney is a great communicator. Kids with PG years are quite common. Especially in New England. Beyond that, as I recall Sluka was not heavily recruited his grad year so kudos to the person on our staff who spotted and offered him. In HS the very top lax schools (and I mean the very top) were after him. When a national caliber lax kid runs out of the backfield as QB it’s an FCS (not just PL) mismatch.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2022 19:38:06 GMT -5
Holy Cross to a blue chip recruit: "Have it all and get your bachelor degree in four years."
If injured, have it all and get your degree in 4.5 years.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 20, 2022 19:39:47 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, the guy with whom Sluka shared NYS Class A Player of the Year with in football his senior year went to Fairfield for lacrosse.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2022 19:44:17 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, the guy with whom Sluka shared NYS Class A Player of the Year with in football his senior year went to Fairfield for lacrosse. What do Lax players do with their Covid year? Same as FB and BB players I would think.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 21, 2022 8:19:01 GMT -5
I don’t think Chesney is giving ultimatums, per se. I think he is smart enough to know that not having non-medical redshirts puts us at a decided disadvantage relative to the serious FCS title contenders and that this disadvantage is entirely self-inflicted. He is more likely to stay longer if he thinks he has a chance to lift the trophy in Frisco every January. If he does not, he will be more likely to leave. We should be raising the bar on what type of job it will take to lure him away. And quickly.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 21, 2022 8:34:57 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, the guy with whom Sluka shared NYS Class A Player of the Year with in football his senior year went to Fairfield for lacrosse. What do Lax players do with their Covid year? Same as FB and BB players I would think. Duke's 2023 Lax roster has 13 graduate students, four from other schools (Penn, Harvard, Lehigh, Saint Lawrence). One senior transfer from The Ohio State University. No redshirts listed on the roster.. Only 9 sophs and 7 juniors. Duke's 2022 Lax roster had 10 graduate students, all home grown. No undergraduate transfers. Duke's 2019 Lax roster had 4 graduate students, only one was a transfer (UVa) Clearly, retaining the COVID fifth years and having a graduate school has dramatically affected the composition of the Duke roster by class year.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 21, 2022 8:44:27 GMT -5
/\ No surprise Duke can add more 5th-years 😱 and play in the ACC 😱all the while retaining its academic reputation.
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Post by alum on Dec 21, 2022 9:45:02 GMT -5
Need to get the others to agree to 63 scholarships. Who do we think would would oppose that? I would think that this would be an easier rule change than nonmedical redshirts.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 21, 2022 9:50:54 GMT -5
I don’t think Chesney is giving ultimatums, per se. I think he is smart enough to know that not having non-medical redshirts puts us at a decided disadvantage relative to the serious FCS title contenders and that this disadvantage is entirely self-inflicted. He is more likely to stay longer if he thinks he has a chance to lift the trophy in Frisco every January. If he does not, he will be more likely to leave. We should be raising the bar on what type of job it will take to lure him away. And quickly. The good news is I think this has already happened. My prediction now, unless something else happens in the next couple weeks, is that he'll be the next BC head coach in 1-2 years.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 21, 2022 10:14:15 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 21, 2022 16:31:51 GMT -5
/\ No surprise Duke can add more 5th-years 😱 and play in the ACC 😱all the while retaining its academic reputation. Getting caught in an occasional scandal is well worth it.😅🧑🎄 But do agree, HC has to try to lift both boats (academics and athletics) together. Hiring and retaining transformative coaches like Chesney is the best way I can think of. HC has spent the money on facilities but that mostly takes cash only while finding and keeping great coaches takes skill. Let's go Kit. You are up to bat in the cleanup position.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 21, 2022 19:16:51 GMT -5
Need to get the others to agree to 63 scholarships. Who do we think would would oppose that? I would think that this would be an easier rule change than nonmedical redshirts. It was said at the time that the cap of 60 was largely set for Title IX reasons. I suspect HC was wholeheartedly behind the cap of 60, because it is a most stingy PL school when it comes to scollie aid for athletes. Fin Aid M / W (in millions) HC $6.6 / $5.1 Colgate $8.1 / $6.6 (the other PL school with ice hockey) Bucknell $7.3 / $8.3 Lehigh $7.9 / $5.9 Fordham $8.3 / $7.0 Lafayette $5.5 / $4.0 HC has stated that it funds M/W hoops, M ice hockey, and football to the NCAA / PL scollie caps (60 full scollies in football) Women's ice hockey is ramping up to the scollie cap, which IIRC, is 18 full scollies. Assuming HC funded 10 women's ice hockey scollies in 2020-2021, those 10 scollies with the 18 men's ice hockey scollies were funded by about $2.0M in fin aid. (28 x $73,000) Add the cost of HC's ice hockey scollies to Lafayette's totals, and HC and Lafayette are at the bottom of those PL schools who play football and fund merit scollies for football. .
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 21, 2022 21:38:44 GMT -5
Need to get the others to agree to 63 scholarships. Who do we think would would oppose that? I would think that this would be an easier rule change than nonmedical redshirts. It was said at the time that the cap of 60 was largely set for Title IX reasons. I suspect HC was wholeheartedly behind the cap of 60, because it is a most stingy PL school when it comes to scollie aid for athletes. Fin Aid M / W (in millions) HC $6.6 / $5.1 Colgate $8.1 / $6.6 (the other PL school with ice hockey) Bucknell $7.3 / $8.3 Lehigh $7.9 / $5.9 Fordham $8.3 / $7.0 Lafayette $5.5 / $4.0 HC has stated that it funds M/W hoops, M ice hockey, and football to the NCAA / PL scollie caps (60 full scollies in football) Women's ice hockey is ramping up to the scollie cap, which IIRC, is 18 full scollies. Assuming HC funded 10 women's ice hockey scollies in 2020-2021, those 10 scollies with the 18 men's ice hockey scollies were funded by about $2.0M in fin aid. (28 x $73,000) Add the cost of HC's ice hockey scollies to Lafayette's totals, and HC and Lafayette are at the bottom of those PL schools who play football and fund merit scollies for football. . I'm bracing for the halftime promotional video that states "We're Holy Cross. We're stingy." It should only require four votes out of seven to move from 60 to 63 scholarships (unless for some reason the five PL "full" members who don't play PL football get a vote and the two associate football only members don't get a vote). Let's hope TPTB at HC got a touch of "Frisco Fever" in Brookings and would vote in favor of sensible adjustments like complying with the FCS maximum 63 scholarships limit now where their predecessor "powers that be" wouldn't have.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 21, 2022 22:08:58 GMT -5
We have 100+ extra kids in the freshman class at a rate of nearly $80K per year each. Find 6 more scholarships to get football to 63.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 21, 2022 22:36:08 GMT -5
Make a zoom call to the PL presidents: "If you could find 6 more scholarships, just 6 more. Come'on. Gimme' a break." Oh, if it was only a negotiation. Beyond the NCAA, how are the numbers of scholarships arrived at? Do PL schools in tandem look at costs, income, needs of school, financial position, degree of emphasis school wants to provide and come up with a number which is workable in the long term for all? Sure FU with its large enrollment and budget could afford more. Colgate & Lehigh have the financial resources. Bucknell, Lafayette & HC are the runts of the litter. Are the additional 6 worth the opportunity costs, the drain on resources which could go to other areas of the school? Maybe numbers don't matter? Is there something else? Are the presidents of PL schools simply too stupid, narrow minded to make the right move & add the big 6?(Irony intended) Or, maybe 1+1 does not always equal 2.(Oops, more irony.)
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 22, 2022 1:14:11 GMT -5
Make a zoom call to the PL presidents: "If you could find 6 more scholarships, just 6 more. Come'on. Gimme' a break." Oh, if it was only a negotiation. Beyond the NCAA, how are the numbers of scholarships arrived at? Do PL schools in tandem look at costs, income, needs of school, financial position, degree of emphasis school wants to provide and come up with a number which is workable in the long term for all? Sure FU with its large enrollment and budget could afford more. Colgate & Lehigh have the financial resources. Bucknell, Lafayette & HC are the runts of the litter. Are the additional 6 worth the opportunity costs, the drain on resources which could go to other areas of the school? Maybe numbers don't matter? Is there something else? Are the presidents of PL schools simply too stupid, narrow minded to make the right move & add the big 6?(Irony intended) Or, maybe 1+1 does not always equal 2.(Oops, more irony.) The PL FB Presidents aren't stupid. They represent smaller private schools without state funding or the tuition revenue generated by large private schools like Syracuse or B.C. So to try to save a buck or two isn't stupid or unethical or sneaky. But it's fair to ask now is it worth it?
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2022 6:32:22 GMT -5
We have 100+ extra kids in the freshman class at a rate of nearly $80K per year each. Find 6 more scholarships to get football to 63. Given our (and Fordham’s) football success (without additional schollies) this year the argument is a bit tough for more football (and women’s matching) schollies. Plus, the idea that teams like Bucknell can be bad with more schollies and bad with current schollie level is not particularly persuasive from a $ standpoint. And GU is a nonstarter in the conversation. We’ve seen how the increased 5th year numbers is a route that works. Why not stick with it (via the non-medical redshirts route)?
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Post by trimster on Dec 22, 2022 7:35:28 GMT -5
I don’t think Chesney is giving ultimatums, per se. I think he is smart enough to know that not having non-medical redshirts puts us at a decided disadvantage relative to the serious FCS title contenders and that this disadvantage is entirely self-inflicted. He is more likely to stay longer if he thinks he has a chance to lift the trophy in Frisco every January. If he does not, he will be more likely to leave. We should be raising the bar on what type of job it will take to lure him away. And quickly. The good news is I think this has already happened. My prediction now, unless something else happens in the next couple weeks, is that he'll be the next BC head coach in 1-2 years. I think you are right.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2022 7:41:25 GMT -5
Is a change to a non-med 5th year redshirt policy under serious consideration by TPTB at HC? A Non-med red shirts policy at HC seems to be little more than speculative fantasy, no?
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Post by trimster on Dec 22, 2022 7:49:47 GMT -5
Is a change to a non-med 5th year redshirt policy under serious consideration by TPTB at HC? A Non-med red shirts policy at HC seems to be little more than speculative fantasy, no? I have no idea about the redshirt question but I do think 92’s speculation about Chesney to BC within two years is a very strong possibility if BC football continues to struggle. Just an opinion.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2022 8:27:42 GMT -5
Chesney to BC? Oh, God, no? First my childhood idol the original BC as in Bob Cousy to BC now our current BC to BC? Is there a God, or what? (Actually, my heart dropped when I saw the great Cousy in the Worcester Memorial Auditorium on the sidelines coaching BC. Couldn't believe my eyes. However, his departing statement criticizing the recruiting demands of big time athletics at BC was redemptive. I truly admire the great BC.) All kinds of opinions on this board are fun to read. It's a good outlet. Peace.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2022 8:36:55 GMT -5
Is a change to a non-med 5th year redshirt policy under serious consideration by TPTB at HC? A Non-med red shirts policy at HC seems to be little more than speculative fantasy, no? I have no idea about the redshirt question but I do think 92’s speculation about Chesney to BC within two years is a very strong possibility if BC football continues to struggle. Just an opinion. If HC remains near the top of FCS, Chesney will have options to move up. Heck, we saw that last year with CAA Delaware inquiring. As far as a jump to head coach of an ACC team from head coach of a PL team, not seeing that.
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Post by football44 on Dec 22, 2022 9:02:06 GMT -5
Can we please stop the talk about Coach Chesney moving up and moving out at HC. Coach loves Holy Cross and what it stands for in many ways. He is building a football powerhouse in FCS. His focus is to get the best "student" athletes to come to HC and play for a national championship. He is the "mayor" of Worcester!! He personally loves the city and the people in the city, and they love him. We need to remember that not all coaches are interested in joining the swamp known as FBS (NIL) football. The coach at South Dakota State has been there for 22 years. Not implying the Coach Chesney will be at HC for 22 years but FBS is not for everyone. What Larry Doyle and others involved in the 90 Wide program have done to help in selling HC football is greatly appreciated and sold by our coaching staff! With that being said, we've had a great year and I'd like to wish all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
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Post by HC92 on Dec 22, 2022 10:09:27 GMT -5
We have 100+ extra kids in the freshman class at a rate of nearly $80K per year each. Find 6 more scholarships to get football to 63. Why not stick with it (via the non-medical redshirts route)? I don’t view it as an either/or situation. I would agree that the 5th year thing is more impactful than three more scholarships but both would help even the footing with other schools. The challenge as you note is that our league-mates don’t seem to care about winning football games, which is a problem if we need league-wide agreement to make these changes.
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