coacht
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Post by coacht on Dec 26, 2022 13:59:14 GMT -5
The 5th year senior issue will work itself out for the most part as the COVID "extra year" group works its way through.
A couple of additional scholarships plus two policy changes would help to narrow the remaining gap. Softball has less than 3 total where 3 per year (12 total) is the NCAA D1 limit. I don't know a PL softball program with 12, but I also don't know a PL program with as few as us (maybe Colgate). The thinnest you can cut these is down to 1/4, but if the institution would decide to "stack" aid (need + merit + athletic = your financial aid package instead of the highest of the three), a coach could get pretty creative recruiting players that are also academically gifted and "first generation." Stacking, plus funding 100% of demonstrated need without loans, are two of the tools available to many high-academic D3 coaches. Give our coaches those, plus a couple more schollies, and we can be consistently competitive.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2022 15:48:53 GMT -5
Baseball used to have a strong alumni group called the Diamond Club. This group had a mentor program, planned events and promoted events like the lead off dinner. My understanding is that AD KH has not wanted any assistance from this group and has essentially pushed them out. The school started their own mentor program called 90-wide for baseball with no communication with the leaders of the Diamond Club. I believe the Diamond Club ceases to exist at this point . Really sad. The way you present it, it does sound tone deaf. I remember the guest speaker at the annual kick off dinner was generally quite impressive. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2022 16:22:22 GMT -5
The 5th year senior issue will work itself out for the most part as the COVID "extra year" group works its way through. A couple of additional scholarships plus two policy changes would help to narrow the remaining gap. Softball has less than 3 total where 3 per year (12 total) is the NCAA D1 limit. I don't know a PL softball program with 12, but I also don't know a PL program with as few as us (maybe Colgate). The thinnest you can cut these is down to 1/4, but if the institution would decide to "stack" aid (need + merit + athletic = your financial aid package instead of the highest of the three), a coach could get pretty creative recruiting players that are also academically gifted and "first generation." Stacking, plus funding 100% of demonstrated need without loans, are two of the tools available to many high-academic D3 coaches. Give our coaches those, plus a couple more schollies, and we can be consistently competitive. Because federally back loans are in the mix, there are restrictions on how you can define need. That being said, the financial aid package (which at HC equals demonstrated need) is a combination of grant, loans, and work study. I think the typical baseball or softball player is probably a lot heavier on grant and lighter on loan percentages than their non-athletic classmates |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 27, 2022 17:52:46 GMT -5
How much do we get in federal dollars?
Whatever we get is never worth it
Compliance and bowing to politics is stupid
We can always move to pass language to kill all federal dollars to Holy Cross and find freedom
people and institutions without government always succeed. Those that remain committed to government are doomed
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coacht
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Post by coacht on Dec 27, 2022 18:21:22 GMT -5
The 5th year senior issue will work itself out for the most part as the COVID "extra year" group works its way through. A couple of additional scholarships plus two policy changes would help to narrow the remaining gap. Softball has less than 3 total where 3 per year (12 total) is the NCAA D1 limit. I don't know a PL softball program with 12, but I also don't know a PL program with as few as us (maybe Colgate). The thinnest you can cut these is down to 1/4, but if the institution would decide to "stack" aid (need + merit + athletic = your financial aid package instead of the highest of the three), a coach could get pretty creative recruiting players that are also academically gifted and "first generation." Stacking, plus funding 100% of demonstrated need without loans, are two of the tools available to many high-academic D3 coaches. Give our coaches those, plus a couple more schollies, and we can be consistently competitive. Because federally back loans are in the mix, there are restrictions on how you can define need. That being said, the financial aid package (which at HC equals demonstrated need) is a combination of grant, loans, and work study. I think the typical baseball or softball player is probably a lot heavier on grant and lighter on loan percentages than their non-athletic classmates The Net Price Calculator on the HC website is the same calculator for all schools that receive federal funds. It calculates your Expected Family Contribution, and yes, HC commits to meet 100% of the demonstrated need with grants, loans and work study. A package without grants consisting solely of loans and work study, even for athletes, is more common than you think. We were on the receiving end of one. There are a limited number of schools, like Smith (D3), that agree to cover 100% of the demonstrated need without loans. Any money is good, money you don't have to return is obviously better. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 19:44:55 GMT -5
The 5th year senior issue will work itself out for the most part as the COVID "extra year" group works its way through. A couple of additional scholarships plus two policy changes would help to narrow the remaining gap. Softball has less than 3 total where 3 per year (12 total) is the NCAA D1 limit. I don't know a PL softball program with 12, but I also don't know a PL program with as few as us (maybe Colgate). The thinnest you can cut these is down to 1/4, but if the institution would decide to "stack" aid (need + merit + athletic = your financial aid package instead of the highest of the three), a coach could get pretty creative recruiting players that are also academically gifted and "first generation." Stacking, plus funding 100% of demonstrated need without loans, are two of the tools available to many high-academic D3 coaches. Give our coaches those, plus a couple more schollies, and we can be consistently competitive. Because federally back loans are in the mix, there are restrictions on how you can define need. That being said, the financial aid package (which at HC equals demonstrated need) is a combination of grant, loans, and work study. I think the typical baseball or softball player is probably a lot heavier on grant and lighter on loan percentages than their non-athletic classmates I hope HC is not requiring any student athlete, where training year round is necessary in D-1, to also complete work-study hours as part of their financial aid package. |
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 19:48:39 GMT -5
How much do we get in federal dollars? Whatever we get is never worth it Compliance and bowing to politics is stupid We can always move to pass language to kill all federal dollars to Holy Cross and find freedom people and institutions without government always succeed. Those that remain committed to government are doomed You could drive a literalist stark raving mad.🤣 |
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Post by efg72 on Dec 28, 2022 20:26:18 GMT -5
Lol
Trying to start conversations during a down period, now referred to as winter months and Men’s basketball season
But the sun will rise again and the Crusaders will march forward
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2022 21:07:34 GMT -5
Lol Trying to start conversations during a down period, now referred to as winter months and Men’s basketball season But the sun will rise again and the Crusaders will march forward Hoping for a PL season miracle. |
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coacht
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Post by coacht on Dec 29, 2022 14:57:26 GMT -5
Because federally back loans are in the mix, there are restrictions on how you can define need. That being said, the financial aid package (which at HC equals demonstrated need) is a combination of grant, loans, and work study. I think the typical baseball or softball player is probably a lot heavier on grant and lighter on loan percentages than their non-athletic classmates I hope HC is not requiring any student athlete, where training year round is necessary in D-1, to also complete work-study hours as part of their financial aid package. This is as of 10 years ago and things change, but yes, work-study was a required part of the package. All four years. The PL does run a lighter off-season practice load (20 hours a week max, including individual sessions), but it's still a challenge for the student/athlete. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 29, 2022 17:48:19 GMT -5
I hope HC is not requiring any student athlete, where training year round is necessary in D-1, to also complete work-study hours as part of their financial aid package. This is as of 10 years ago and things change, but yes, work-study was a required part of the package. All four years. The PL does run a lighter off-season practice load (20 hours a week max, including individual sessions), but it's still a challenge for the student/athlete. I know BU womens hockey players had work study jobs too. So it is not uncommon |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 29, 2022 21:24:08 GMT -5
I thought it was an NCAA violation (at least at the time I was in school) for a student-athlete receiving any athletic aid to have a work-study job.
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Post by hcross22 on Dec 30, 2022 10:56:07 GMT -5
not a penny should be donated to the baseball program until it shows any signs of life. Awful coaching staff, weak recruiting classes, terrible on-field performance. $0 dollars should be donated to this program until it communicates some form of coherent thought about what the plan is going forward. And why the combination w/softball after YEARS of successful baseball leadoff dinners? Why stop the alumni game and the golf outings as well? Zero effort put into maintaining relations w/former players and raising money. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 30, 2022 11:20:27 GMT -5
not a penny should be donated to the baseball program until it shows any signs of life. Awful coaching staff, weak recruiting classes, terrible on-field performance. $0 dollars should be donated to this program until it communicates some form of coherent thought about what the plan is going forward. And why the combination w/softball after YEARS of successful baseball leadoff dinners? Why stop the alumni game and the golf outings as well? Zero effort put into maintaining relations w/former players and raising money. Including softball in the same night saves money on rental of the facility. That is a minor thing to be worried about. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 30, 2022 11:35:38 GMT -5
Hard to agree with Foley but I am sure he's at least partially correct that having a combined event saves money.
Not a fund-raiser but the men's and women's basketball Worcester Club Coaches' Night had both Brett and Maureen. Unlike other pre-Covid years, I didn't go and no need to get into why I didn't but suspect it was a joint venture in order to increase attendance (some would go for the men, some for the women rather than 2 sparsely attended events).
And on the outside chance you've been sleeping through the inundation of notices that this marks 50 years of women at Holy Cross, I have absolutely no doubt that connecting women's with men's events is done purposely for perceived equality sake.
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Post by hcbaseballalum on Dec 30, 2022 12:54:30 GMT -5
And why the combination w/softball after YEARS of successful baseball leadoff dinners? Why stop the alumni game and the golf outings as well? Zero effort put into maintaining relations w/former players and raising money. Including softball in the same night saves money on rental of the facility. That is a minor thing to be worried about. Definitely not a minor thing. Combining the events takes away from people having any interest in heading back for the event. You may get half the people from both programs and combined it equates to a full event, but you've lost the opportunity to bring in alumni for both programs due to not having any interest in going back to hear about the softball program/baseball program. Not a minor thing and takes away the ability to personalize the event. It just highlights the lack of ability for the head baseball coach to run an event without support from administration. Kahovec just doesn't have the skill set to be our guy. We have one of the worst division one coaches in America and we'll continue to have poor results on the field. We've had the two lowest RPIs in program history the last two years as a reminder. I feel bad for the next guy. That's the bigger issue. Significant damage being done through zero engagement in program. Next guy is not set up to succeed. Dicenzo established our schedule, Cape/summer presence, strong alumni network, on-field results, pro development, golf/dinner/mentoring programs, strong assistants.... and Kahovec has pissed it all away. We have none of that and only remnants of what Dicenzo left. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 30, 2022 14:09:06 GMT -5
Including softball in the same night saves money on rental of the facility. That is a minor thing to be worried about. Definitely not a minor thing. Combining the events takes away from people having any interest in heading back for the event. You may get half the people from both programs and combined it equates to a full event, but you've lost the opportunity to bring in alumni for both programs due to not having any interest in going back to hear about the softball program/baseball program. Not a minor thing and takes away the ability to personalize the event. It just highlights the lack of ability for the head baseball coach to run an event without support from administration. Kahovec just doesn't have the skill set to be our guy. We have one of the worst division one coaches in America and we'll continue to have poor results on the field. We've had the two lowest RPIs in program history the last two years as a reminder. I feel bad for the next guy. That's the bigger issue. Significant damage being done through zero engagement in program. Next guy is not set up to succeed. Dicenzo established our schedule, Cape/summer presence, strong alumni network, on-field results, pro development, golf/dinner/mentoring programs, strong assistants.... and Kahovec has pissed it all away. We have none of that and only remnants of what Dicenzo left. I disagree with you 100 percent. These are events are to just raise money, introduce the players to boosters, etc. Doubling the size of the event by including the softball program isn't going to make a huge difference for each program. You think people are going to bail on the event over listening to the baseball/softball coach talk to 20 minutes about their program? If so, maybe they really don't care about Holy Cross baseball/softball enough. |
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Post by snapper on Dec 30, 2022 18:56:55 GMT -5
Definitely not a minor thing. Combining the events takes away from people having any interest in heading back for the event. You may get half the people from both programs and combined it equates to a full event, but you've lost the opportunity to bring in alumni for both programs due to not having any interest in going back to hear about the softball program/baseball program. Not a minor thing and takes away the ability to personalize the event. It just highlights the lack of ability for the head baseball coach to run an event without support from administration. Kahovec just doesn't have the skill set to be our guy. We have one of the worst division one coaches in America and we'll continue to have poor results on the field. We've had the two lowest RPIs in program history the last two years as a reminder. I feel bad for the next guy. That's the bigger issue. Significant damage being done through zero engagement in program. Next guy is not set up to succeed. Dicenzo established our schedule, Cape/summer presence, strong alumni network, on-field results, pro development, golf/dinner/mentoring programs, strong assistants.... and Kahovec has pissed it all away. We have none of that and only remnants of what Dicenzo left. I disagree with you 100 percent. These are events are to just raise money, introduce the players to boosters, etc. Doubling the size of the event by including the softball program isn't going to make a huge difference for each program. You think people are going to bail on the event over listening to the baseball/softball coach talk to 20 minutes about their program? If so, maybe they really don't care about Holy Cross baseball/softball enough. The point people are missing is that under Coach D, baseball had a great alumni presence with the Diamond Club. There was an annual fee to be a part of it that helped fund events. The DC helped run events. There were impromptu events like gatherings in Boston to watch opening weekend. Alumni football tailgates. There was a true connection to the program for many of us alumni. And poof, it is all gone. ADKH has wanted no assistance from alumni and the DC. To those that have said, talk to Kit. I have done so and I know many others have as well regarding the state of the program and lack of communication. It’s sad to see all that D built crumble to the ground. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 30, 2022 20:33:50 GMT -5
I disagree with you 100 percent. These are events are to just raise money, introduce the players to boosters, etc. Doubling the size of the event by including the softball program isn't going to make a huge difference for each program. You think people are going to bail on the event over listening to the baseball/softball coach talk to 20 minutes about their program? If so, maybe they really don't care about Holy Cross baseball/softball enough. The point people are missing is that under Coach D, baseball had a great alumni presence with the Diamond Club. There was an annual fee to be a part of it that helped fund events. The DC helped run events. There were impromptu events like gatherings in Boston to watch opening weekend. Alumni football tailgates. There was a true connection to the program for many of us alumni. And poof, it is all gone. ADKH has wanted no assistance from alumni and the DC. To those that have said, talk to Kit. I have done so and I know many others have as well regarding the state of the program and lack of communication. It’s sad to see all that D built crumble to the ground. That is different than complaining about sharing a season kickoff dinner with the softball program.... In 2019, HC vs Northeastern drew 147 on Saturday and 156 on Sunday which was the last year for DiCenzo. |
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Post by snapper on Dec 30, 2022 20:56:33 GMT -5
The point people are missing is that under Coach D, baseball had a great alumni presence with the Diamond Club. There was an annual fee to be a part of it that helped fund events. The DC helped run events. There were impromptu events like gatherings in Boston to watch opening weekend. Alumni football tailgates. There was a true connection to the program for many of us alumni. And poof, it is all gone. ADKH has wanted no assistance from alumni and the DC. To those that have said, talk to Kit. I have done so and I know many others have as well regarding the state of the program and lack of communication. It’s sad to see all that D built crumble to the ground. That is different than complaining about sharing a season kickoff dinner with the softball program.... In 2019, HC vs Northeastern drew 147 on Saturday and 156 on Sunday which was the last year for DiCenzo. Point of this thread is about the amount of the sponsorships for the lead off dinner. I am noting how the head coach and AD are destroying all that Coach D built. I am not sure citing attendance of a northeastern game has any bearing on the amount of alumni support. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 30, 2022 21:37:35 GMT -5
That is different than complaining about sharing a season kickoff dinner with the softball program.... In 2019, HC vs Northeastern drew 147 on Saturday and 156 on Sunday which was the last year for DiCenzo. Point of this thread is about the amount of the sponsorships for the lead off dinner. I am noting how the head coach and AD are destroying all that Coach D built. I am not sure citing attendance of a northeastern game has any bearing on the amount of alumni support. Well the alums really came out to support the team in 2019 at Northeastern with such a great turnout. Coach DiCenzo REALLY did a great job that weekend. |
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Post by dutton09 on Dec 30, 2022 21:51:13 GMT -5
Point of this thread is about the amount of the sponsorships for the lead off dinner. I am noting how the head coach and AD are destroying all that Coach D built. I am not sure citing attendance of a northeastern game has any bearing on the amount of alumni support. Well the alums really came out to support the team in 2019 at Northeastern with such a great turnout. Coach DiCenzo REALLY did a great job that weekend. To be fair, not even the players on both teams wanted to be there as it was mid-30s and windy. But yes, in general, the support that Coach D fostered for the program was not necessarily reflected in attendance numbers during his years as HC. I would never judge a small NE liberal arts college's attendance record to be a good marker for program success or support, though. Have to agree with others on here that the program has tanked in pretty much every way (alumni connection, W-L record, recruiting, professional contracts signed, etc.) since Dicenzo's departure. It appears to be a sad state of affairs for baseball on the hill. |
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 31, 2022 10:05:20 GMT -5
I wonder if the attendance thing will ever change considering how the northeast raps up baseball just as the weather is getting good.
It seems frustrating to me that the new coach is not engaged with the alumni.
I still think you need to give him a chance to prove himself with results on the field.
Is Matt Perry still involved?
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 31, 2022 10:22:26 GMT -5
Anybody hear anything on a schedule.
I see playing BC, Umass Lowell, Harvard, Umass, mid week games.
All other PL teams I checked the schedule is out.
I wonder what the hold up is?
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Post by hcbball on Dec 31, 2022 15:26:45 GMT -5
Anybody hear anything on a schedule. I see playing BC, Umass Lowell, Harvard, Umass, mid week games. All other PL teams I checked the schedule is out. I wonder what the hold up is? Schedule is set. Start season vs Purdue in TX, weekend at VMI, break in NC/SC vs various teams, open PL weekend vs Seton Hall. Regarding coaches, probably the most non-engaging group we can have/borderline introverts. I’m sure that’s why engagement is at an all time low. Participated in parents weekend tailgate with Coach D 4 years ago. Wife and daughter were there, lots of good conversations. Past two years parents setup the event, with no Coach participation. I will say recruiting has been decent, hoping for better than a 4th place finish this year |
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