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Post by purplehaze on Jan 20, 2023 10:11:52 GMT -5
There has to be someone in our basketball circle in the imme Worcester area that knows Kit well enough to get a serious meeting with him to set up the mechanics of a search one minute after the season ends. (Of course only having recvd the ok from President Vince to proceed)
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Post by crosspride on Jan 20, 2023 11:51:48 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history.
If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 20, 2023 11:57:57 GMT -5
Andy would come in a heartbeat-
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 20, 2023 16:25:36 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history. If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice. Totally disagree.
If you are a coach with a track record of success and confidence in yourself, you look at the nine scholarship openings you can recruit for over the next two years and feel you can build your team with your own players very quickly.
If the applicant didn't feel that way, I wouldn't want HC to hire him.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 20, 2023 16:41:52 GMT -5
I think both Kosmalski and Loeffler would be possible=. K would check with McKillop, and Loeffler would check with Paulsen. Both are very good coaches- they recruited a number of my players when at Davidson and Williams/ Stevens.
Andy, however. Is a guaranteed solid choice- a- he would accept, b- he still has great feelings and pride about what he did at HC, c- he knows Holy Cross and can adapt to the future, d- he can bring back the match-up zone as an option.
He knows what it takes to win at HC, and when he comes in, he won't be dealing with blocks in the success that Ralph faced.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 20, 2023 17:22:20 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history. If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice. you may be right that bucknell is a better choice, but i don't think hc has a reputation for having a quick trigger, outside of kearney... which was well over a decade and three coaches ago. brown had plenty of time to succeed, carmody retired, and nelson has had plenty of time to succeed despite absolutely atrocious results.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 20, 2023 17:25:56 GMT -5
No on Sachs. There has to be someone better who would be available.
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Post by Tom on Jan 20, 2023 17:29:35 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history. If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice. Perception matters more than reality, but is that a fair statement? Coach Kearney true enough. I'm not sure that is recent enough to figure in a candidate's thought process. It might be, I just don't know Does 4 years resulting in a bottom 20 program objectively in worse shape than you found it qualify as not having sufficient time to succeed? Before that a guy retired. We're talking not about the actions of this AD or his predecessor. For this thought process to work, there would have to be a reasonable belief that Coach Nelson, if fired, was treated unfairly. Would a potential candidate think that?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 20, 2023 17:36:41 GMT -5
I have to think that prospective coaches would have friends in college basketball with whom they would counsel
Prospective HC coach: "Hey, buddy, we've known each other 20+ years, I need your POV on an important subject"
Friend (played with, coached with, etc) : "Fire away, brother"
Prospective HC coach:" Did Holy Cross give Nelson a chance to succeed, firing him after only 4 years?"
Friend: "Are you kidding me? He proved from the get-go that he is not a D-1 head coach. He should have been whacked long ago"
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Post by efg72 on Jan 20, 2023 17:50:42 GMT -5
No on Sachs. There has to be someone better who would be available. Possibly but that is a short list Next coach needs to know and value the HC experience, like Chesney, can coach and develop players, with a record of success! otherwise nothing changes but the name of another failed coach actually I would have Hchoops, NAD, 92, Sader70, XMassader, Doran, Grayson, Logan, BBCaro, and Curry to vet the next coach and give their top 2 recommendations to Kit or if they decline I will offer two recommendations
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 20, 2023 18:03:53 GMT -5
That's be a great team of advisors with one exception, unless you mean crusader1970.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 20, 2023 18:13:10 GMT -5
Those wanting Sachs based on his HC/Ralph connections don't hold you breath. Only person left in the athletic office who would even know who he is Rose Shea.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 20, 2023 18:29:11 GMT -5
That's be a great team of advisors with one exception, unless you mean crusader1970. I meant you, but we all know how many errors I make with my fat fingers
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Post by HC92 on Jan 20, 2023 18:57:05 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history. If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice. Which coach who we’ve fired would have become a successful coach with more time?
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Post by Tom on Jan 20, 2023 19:39:16 GMT -5
Those wanting Sachs based on his HC/Ralph connections don't hold you breath. Only person left in the athletic office who would even know wh guyo he is Rose Shea. Although I like the fact that he was connected to a successful period in HC hoops, I think the fact that he has won everywhere he went is what makes him an attractive candidate.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 20, 2023 20:00:27 GMT -5
Those wanting Sachs based on his HC/Ralph connections don't hold you breath. Only person left in the athletic office who would even know who he is Rose Shea. Not true, I can assure you his name has been put forward doesnt mean anything but his name and the others have been presented
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 20, 2023 21:45:39 GMT -5
you may be right that bucknell is a better choice, but i don't think hc has a reputation for having a quick trigger, outside of kearney... which was well over a decade and three coaches ago. Not to mention 3 Athletic Directors and 2 Presidents ago.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 20, 2023 22:26:42 GMT -5
Those wanting Sachs based on his HC/Ralph connections don't hold you breath. Only person left in the athletic office who would even know who he is Rose Shea. Not true, I can assure you his name has been put forward doesnt mean anything but his name and the others have been presented Put forward by who? An alum who graduated 50 yrs ago?
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Post by crosspride on Jan 20, 2023 22:48:15 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history. If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice. Which coach who we’ve fired would have become a successful coach with more time? Milan Brown. Kostecka, Proctor, Floyd would have won the PL at least once and those are 3 recruits he got with average W/L records. Lot of ifs and buts there but the larger point is plenty of examples it really good coaches not taking off until year 4/5/6. Langel went 10-22 in year SIX. Year 7 was a different story and now they are far and away the best in the league.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 20, 2023 22:51:34 GMT -5
Not true, I can assure you his name has been put forward doesnt mean anything but his name and the others have been presented Put forward by who? An alum who graduated 50 yrs ago? You are quite insulting to many significant alums of that age, or even older. Can you make your point without the insult ? (And the correct grammar is whom, not who.)
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Post by crosspride on Jan 20, 2023 23:19:22 GMT -5
I have to think that prospective coaches would have friends in college basketball with whom they would counsel Prospective HC coach: "Hey, buddy, we've known each other 20+ years, I need your POV on an important subject" Friend (played with, coached with, etc) : "Fire away, brother" Prospective HC coach:" Did Holy Cross give Nelson a chance to succeed, firing him after only 4 years?" Friend: "Are you kidding me? He proved from the get-go that he is not a D-1 head coach. He should have been whacked long ago" I’m guessing this is a joke with the “he should have been whacked long ago” but here is how the conversation would actually go when Nelson gets fired: Prospective HC coach “hey buddy, how would you rank the HC head coaching position among the other gigs in the PL” Friend: “Tough place to win. Clearly the worst job in the PL.” Prospective HC coach: “Why do you say that” Friend: “In the last 15 or so years, how many total coaches in the PL have had a tenure of 5 years or less before they were fired? Prospective HC coach: “how many” Friend: “3. All three were at Holy Cross. That doesn’t count Bill Carmody who “retired”…”
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Post by HC92 on Jan 20, 2023 23:24:14 GMT -5
Which coach who we’ve fired would have become a successful coach with more time? Milan Brown. Kostecka, Proctor, Floyd would have won the PL at least once and those are 3 recruits he got with average W/L records. Lot of ifs and buts there but the larger point is plenty of examples it really good coaches not taking off until year 4/5/6. Langel went 10-22 in year SIX. Year 7 was a different story and now they are far and away the best in the league. MB was a very good recruiter and a solid human but a mediocre game coach in my opinion. I was definitely ready to move on when we let him go but we certainly would have had a lot more success the last several years had he stayed. If we want to have a solid PL team, MB would be a good choice. Back then, we had higher aspirations because we could still remember the RW years. At this point, give me a solid PL team that will win the league every 6 years.
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Post by spenser on Jan 20, 2023 23:45:11 GMT -5
Put forward by who? An alum who graduated 50 yrs ago? You are quite insulting to many significant alums of that age, or even older. Can you make your point without the insult ? (And the correct grammar is whom, not who.) On the other hand, from this alum, who graduated 50 years go, one has to give him credit for a good guess. In spite of his negativity.
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Post by spenser on Jan 20, 2023 23:45:58 GMT -5
Put forward by who? An alum who graduated 50 yrs ago? You are quite insulting to many significant alums of that age, or even older. Can you make your point without the insult ? (And the correct grammar is whom, not who.) On the other hand, from this alum, who graduated 50 years go, one has to give him credit for a good guess. In spite of his negativity.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 21, 2023 1:07:35 GMT -5
No on Sachs. There has to be someone better who would be available. Sachs has never had a losing season, why would he be a bad choice?
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