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Post by efg72 on Jan 21, 2023 8:48:45 GMT -5
Not true, I can assure you his name has been put forward doesnt mean anything but his name and the others have been presented Put forward by who? An alum who graduated 50 yrs ago? Wow what an impressive and thoughtful response. By the way if you assumed that I put the names forward you are mistaken. They were delivered by a GenX/Y(depending on your definition of the age range). Regardless of the age, it probably doesn't mean anything, but that shouldn't surprise anybody. Peace |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 21, 2023 8:51:17 GMT -5
Sachs has never had a losing season, why would he be a bad choice? Sachs graduated from from Salisbury State in 1990. From 1990-91 through 2008-09, he served as an assistant at Salisbury, Virginia Wesleyan, Indiana (PA), Archbishop Spalding, and Holy Cross. Of all those teams, only the 1993-94 Virginia Wesleyan squad finished with a losing record (11-14). He has been a head coach continuously since leaving HC and, as you note, has never had a losing season.
Twenty-nine years of winning in a thirty-year coaching career. Give him a call, Kit.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 21, 2023 8:57:39 GMT -5
At the holiday break, here's how some other guys who should be getting phone calls are faring this year.
Andy Sachs (Chesapeake CC), 9-3. John Krikorian (Christopher Newport), 11-2 (currently ranked 7th in D3) Landry Kosmalski (Swarthmore), 8-1 (ranked 24th) Josh Loeffler (Johns Hopkins), 6-2 (ranked 17th)
Returning, be it ever so briefly, to the original reason for this thread . . .
Chesapeake CC (Andy Sachs), now 15-3 - has reeled off ten straight wins and is picking up Top 25 votes in the NJCAA polls. Christopher Newport (John Krikorian), 17-3, currently ranked #5 in D3. Swarthmore (Landry Kosmalski), 15-1. Has moved up steadily in the D3 poll to #10 and has won its last twelve straight. Johns Hopkins (Josh Loeffler), 13-3. Ranked 13th.
Carry on.
I'd add Kevin Bettencourt to the list. Head coach at Endicott. 11-5 this season. 140-63 (.670) overall record, 87-32 (.731) in-conference record at Endicott Three NCAA Division III Tournament First Round appearances ('15, '16, '17) Two NCAA Division III Tournament Second Round appearances ('16, '17) One NCAA Sweet 16 Appearance ('17) No doubt knows PL and New England recruiting circles very well, along with what it takes to win in this league and the student-athlete experience. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 21, 2023 9:32:15 GMT -5
I have to think that prospective coaches would have friends in college basketball with whom they would counsel Prospective HC coach: "Hey, buddy, we've known each other 20+ years, I need your POV on an important subject" Friend (played with, coached with, etc) : "Fire away, brother" Prospective HC coach:" Did Holy Cross give Nelson a chance to succeed, firing him after only 4 years?" Friend: "Are you kidding me? He proved from the get-go that he is not a D-1 head coach. He should have been whacked long ago" I’m guessing this is a joke with the “he should have been whacked long ago” but here is how the conversation would actually go when Nelson gets fired: Prospective HC coach “hey buddy, how would you rank the HC head coaching position among the other gigs in the PL” Friend: “Tough place to win. Clearly the worst job in the PL.” Prospective HC coach: “Why do you say that” Friend: “In the last 15 or so years, how many total coaches in the PL have had a tenure of 5 years or less before they were fired? Prospective HC coach: “how many” Friend: “3. All three were at Holy Cross. That doesn’t count Bill Carmody who “retired”…” Why is "retired" in quotes? Makes it sound like it was something other than retirement |
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Post by Tom on Jan 21, 2023 9:39:11 GMT -5
Which coach who we’ve fired would have become a successful coach with more time? Milan Brown. Kostecka, Proctor, Floyd would have won the PL at least once and those are 3 recruits he got with average W/L records. Lot of ifs and buts there but the larger point is plenty of examples it really good coaches not taking off until year 4/5/6. Langel went 10-22 in year SIX. Year 7 was a different story and now they are far and away the best in the league. If Coach Brown had stayed, I agree we would be in better shape than we are today. Based on what I saw, assuming a PL championship is a big stretch. One quarterfinal win with Dudzinski and Miller does not make me think HC would suddenly be turning talent into tournament wins |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 21, 2023 10:00:02 GMT -5
I remember sitting next to Kevin Bettencourt’s mother at a HC vs Bucknell game at Hart. Distinctly remembering how she was very very unhappy that HC took Kevin Hamilton instead of him. Sitting in the balcony behind the HC bench for a packed house game, She was grumpy regarding her seating when I first met her. She got even grumpier when the chants of “Teddy is better” began.
Makes me wonder if Kevin would be a good choice since he was slighted by HC under Ralph.
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Post by lou on Jan 21, 2023 10:02:39 GMT -5
What was wrong with her seats?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 21, 2023 10:04:35 GMT -5
I remember sitting next to Kevin Bettencourt’s mother at a HC vs Bucknell game at Hart. Distinctly remembering how she was very very unhappy the HC took Kevin Hamilton instead of him. Sitting in the balcony behind the HC bench for a packed house game, She was grumpy regarding her seating when I first met her. She got even grumpier when the chants of “Teddy is better” began. Makes me wonder if Kevin would be a good choice since he was slighted by HC under Ralph. . Ralph made the correct choice. There will always be “slights” in recruiting |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 21, 2023 10:06:27 GMT -5
Balcony 1, top row behind the HC bench side of the arena. She sat next to me which is why I remember the situation. Especially the “Teddy is better” chants that really got her vexed.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 21, 2023 10:31:40 GMT -5
We might have a chance with Sachs given the history. If the Bucknell job is also open, and Kosmalski is interested in making a move, he might not even answer the phone when Kit calls. Go to Bucknell where their coaches are given time to succeed, or come to HC where he’ll have to win with Nelson’s holdovers and a couple frosh or he’ll be all but fired? Not exactly a tough choice. you may be right that bucknell is a better choice, but i don't think hc has a reputation for having a quick trigger, outside of kearney... which was well over a decade and three coaches ago. brown had plenty of time to succeed, carmody retired, and nelson has had plenty of time to succeed despite absolutely atrocious results. Throw into Nelson's tenure the unacceptable number of departures (even generously subtracting from the total the effect of the transfer portal) and I think The College, if he is dismissed after this season, will have acted appropriately. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 21, 2023 10:37:27 GMT -5
Mrs Bettencourt clearly does not understand college sports. "Teddy's better" is a fine and appropriate chant. Not even close to the line of good taste.
The fact that Bettencourt went to Bucknell should not in any way be held against a potential candidacy.
If he says know because of a slight 15 years ago, so be it
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 21, 2023 10:41:07 GMT -5
Hearing the litany of names of players who left is getting tedious. Let's remember that most do not know why some left. You may remember the pressure to upgrade team talent...and some who left may have been part of the "upgrade." I do know at least two of the departing players got help in relocating from HC.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 21, 2023 10:41:35 GMT -5
I’m guessing this is a joke with the “he should have been whacked long ago” but here is how the conversation would actually go when Nelson gets fired: Prospective HC coach “hey buddy, how would you rank the HC head coaching position among the other gigs in the PL” Friend: “Tough place to win. Clearly the worst job in the PL.” Prospective HC coach: “Why do you say that” Friend: “In the last 15 or so years, how many total coaches in the PL have had a tenure of 5 years or less before they were fired? Prospective HC coach: “how many” Friend: “3. All three were at Holy Cross. That doesn’t count Bill Carmody who “retired”…” Why is "retired" in quotes? Makes it sound like it was something other than retirement You don't "retire" someone in June unless there were extenuating circumstances. Possibly mutual agreement, but I think it was more on Bill's initiative because of the situation w/his wife versus HC not wanting him. Decent incoming class, although we know everyone in that class ended up elsewhere. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 21, 2023 10:43:31 GMT -5
I believe his retirement was solely due to his wife’s cancer.
Thus the late date.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 21, 2023 10:44:17 GMT -5
I find it unreal that some seem able to dismiss a spouse's life-threatening illness as if it were not a factor in BC's retirement. Really???  |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 21, 2023 11:38:39 GMT -5
I believe his retirement was solely due to his wife’s cancer. Thus the late date. Maybe, maybe not. If he didn't just conclude his fourth straight losing season at HC (and a 6-12 conference record, which was dead last in the league) and the prospects for the team was better the next season, maybe he would have returned. The tough place the program was in probably made it easier to walk away, IMO. |
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Post by hcnj on Jan 21, 2023 11:59:45 GMT -5
IMHO it begins with some evidence that HC leadership will use some process other than what it's done in recent years to hire a new coach. Whether it's using the same search firms, our own "athletic review committee", the same former athletes or friends of athletics's inputs in making a selection. There will be a similar process so all the relevant parties can ask their same obvious questions and look thoughtful, the search firm as CYA and athletic council-like imputters to be respectful. I don't care who it is but we need someone to hold sway who has whatever the "gift" of discernment is to lead us to a good choice. From the thoughtful lists in the thread it's apparent that the Chesney effect now dominates, look into local or smaller time coaching pools. I'm not sure that we shouldn't include asst coaches at larger programs as well.
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 21, 2023 12:05:13 GMT -5
Carmody resigned/retired June 18, 2019.
Barbara Carmody died March 30, 2020 2.5 years after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
Not a reach to think his decision had virtually everything to do with his wife’s health.
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Post by hcnj on Jan 21, 2023 12:08:25 GMT -5
I believe his retirement was solely due to his wife’s cancer. Thus the late date. Maybe, maybe not. If he didn't just conclude his fourth straight losing season at HC (and a 6-12 conference record, which was dead last in the league) and the prospects for the team was better the next season, maybe he would have returned. The tough place the program was in probably made it easier to walk away, IMO. I agree if the point is that a family member's health issues and suitability as our bball coach are mutually exclusive. Long before knowing anything about a medical condition it was my opinion we needed a change of coaching scenery. His "greatest" season was losing 20 games but pulling an upset in the post season with a blend of other's recruits and a guy asked to leave the college. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 21, 2023 12:33:52 GMT -5
Carmody resigned/retired June 18, 2019. Barbara Carmody died March 30, 2020 2.5 years after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Not a reach to think his decision had virtually everything to do with his wife’s health. Coach Carmody and his family must be saying that was the best decision he ever made. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 21, 2023 12:34:41 GMT -5
Hearing the litany of names of players who left is getting tedious. Let's remember that most do not know why some left. You may remember the pressure to upgrade team talent...and some who left may have been part of the "upgrade." I do know at least two of the departing players got help in relocating from HC. What type of help? |
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Post by Tom on Jan 21, 2023 13:55:18 GMT -5
Carmody resigned/retired June 18, 2019. Barbara Carmody died March 30, 2020 2.5 years after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Not a reach to think his decision had virtually everything to do with his wife’s health. One might speculate that the fact that Mrs Carmody's health was such a concern that Coach Carmody didn't travel with the team the last few weeks reinforces the theory his retirement was about his wife's health. |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 21, 2023 14:52:24 GMT -5
BC was not forced out. Many of us saw his wife frequently at the Hart Center. A very, very nice lady. Unquestionably, Bill left to spend precious time with his dying wife.
Was he a good coach? Not at Holy Cross. But he was not the worst we’ve had. Can think of two right off the bat that were/are a lot worse. One was canned. The other remains to be seen.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 21, 2023 14:55:34 GMT -5
He did take a team that could not win away games and won a string of all away games to take the PL tournament and an NCAA game. Clearly not as awful as some believe.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 21, 2023 23:47:04 GMT -5
IMHO it begins with some evidence that HC leadership will use some process other than what it's done in recent years to hire a new coach. Whether it's using the same search firms, our own "athletic review committee", the same former athletes or friends of athletics's inputs in making a selection. There will be a similar process so all the relevant parties can ask their same obvious questions and look thoughtful, the search firm as CYA and athletic council-like imputters to be respectful. I don't care who it is but we need someone to hold sway who has whatever the "gift" of discernment is to lead us to a good choice. From the thoughtful lists in the thread it's apparent that the Chesney effect now dominates, look into local or smaller time coaching pools. I'm not sure that we shouldn't include asst coaches at larger programs as well. Assistant Coaches are valid applicants. The issue is giving a four or five year guaranteed contract like HC did with career assistants SK and BN without being able to judge their past performance as head coaches. Head Men's basketball coach has traditionally been the highest paid position in the Athletic Department if not the entire school. It would be nice to say to a career assistant deemed to be the best applicant: "We want to hire you, we'll support you fully but we have to protect the finances of our Athletic Department so we are offering you the position as an employee at will or on a one year contract." When I've mentioned this concept for unproven rookie head coaches the response has been: it can't be done because it will harm recruiting. So to hire a career assistant it can't be "measure twice and cut once" it has to be "Cut first and then you have five years to measure." |
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