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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 10:42:01 GMT -5
I would say he is comfortable with what he knows and uncomfortable with everything else
This fear of the unknown is paralyzing
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Post by HC92 on Dec 26, 2022 10:45:56 GMT -5
One of Nelson's biggest faults IMO is his stubborn use of the same defensive and offensive schemes each game. HC has to be one of the easiest teams to prepare for. You know exactly how Nelson is going approach every game. I'm not saying that using an occasional 1-3-1 zone or a 3/4 court zone trap defense is going to make this group of players into a winning team. But it certainly is worth a try. The question I have is a basic one: is Nelson just stubborn or, worse, does he not feel comfortable teaching other than basic MTM defense and motion offenses? As RW used to say, it takes a lot of practice time to get really good at a particular defense. BN has chosen his path and how to allocate practice time. It is what it is at this point. We’re probably not going to see dramatic changes that will impact the overall W-L record enough to matter at the end of the season.
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Post by trimster on Dec 26, 2022 10:47:14 GMT -5
One of Nelson's biggest faults IMO is his stubborn use of the same defensive and offensive schemes each game. HC has to be one of the easiest teams to prepare for. You know exactly how Nelson is going approach every game. I'm not saying that using an occasional 1-3-1 zone or a 3/4 court zone trap defense is going to make this group of players into a winning team. But it certainly is worth a try. The question I have is a basic one: is Nelson just stubborn or, worse, does he not feel comfortable teaching other than basic MTM defense and motion offenses? I expect nothing to change between now and the first week of March. We have seen this movie before.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 26, 2022 11:25:41 GMT -5
From the intro press conference in 2019:
“I’m humble enough to know I’m going to have to adjust some things,” Nelson said, “but in a perfect world, offensively we’re going to play with great pace, have great spacing and be very unselfish, and, No. 1, be in attack mode in everything we do.
“Defensively,” Nelson said, “in my core, I’m a man-to-man guy. Three things that are going to describe our defense are we’re going to be aggressive, we’re going to be disruptive, we’re going to be disciplined. More than anything, we’re going to play with great effort. We’re going to be the most connected team in college basketball, and it’s going to be a fun and exciting style of play for our fans.”
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 26, 2022 12:39:53 GMT -5
Unreal
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Post by purple1 on Dec 26, 2022 12:50:08 GMT -5
Thanks Marcus Blossom......
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 26, 2022 16:00:11 GMT -5
Undefeated and un-tied in press conferences.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 16:03:08 GMT -5
Let’s please address all of the issues in the next 10 weeks and make hiring a winning coach the goal
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 26, 2022 22:51:05 GMT -5
The thing that I find to be the most problematic with HCBN (beyond the roster construction, the offensive and defensive schemes and the apparent unwillingness to change his chosen offense and defense) is the seeming inability not to be able to coach the fundamentals necessary to make the selected offense and defense effective. Staying between your man and the basket, not getting beaten off the dribble, hedging or trapping screens, properly closing out on shooters, properly rotating (or “shelling down”) if a teammate is beaten off the dribble, boxing out and defensive rebounding are the key parts of successful MTM. See Harvard vs. HC. It is not apparent to me that we are running the necessary drills with the requisite precision for us to lock up other teams with the MTM. I realize that we have a talent shortfall but feel that, if the chosen offense and defense were coached with the extreme attention to detail that Chesney outlined in his inaugural press conference, we’d be much closer to a .500 team vs. D1 opposition than we currently are.
Don’t see the situation improving much over the next 19-20 games.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 27, 2022 9:32:23 GMT -5
The thing that I find to be the most problematic with HCBN (beyond the roster construction, the offensive and defensive schemes and the apparent unwillingness to change his chosen offense and defense) is the seeming inability not to be able to coach the fundamentals necessary to make the selected offense and defense effective. Staying between your man and the basket, not getting beaten off the dribble, hedging or trapping screens, properly closing out on shooters, properly rotating (or “shelling down”) if a teammate is beaten off the dribble, boxing out and defensive rebounding are the key parts of successful MTM. See Harvard vs. HC. It is not apparent to me that we are running the necessary drills with the requisite precision for us to lock up other teams with the MTM. I realize that we have a talent shortfall but feel that, if the chosen offense and defense were coached with the extreme attention to detail that Chesney outlined in his inaugural press conference, we’d be much closer to a .500 team vs. D1 opposition than we currently are. Don’t see the situation improving much over the next 19-20 games. Love one of Chesney's quotes about practice:
"We don't practice a play until we get it RIGHT. We practice a play over and over until we NEVER GET IT WRONG."
The same attitude can be applied to basketball, especially defense basics (as stated so well by Xmassader above).
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 27, 2022 9:35:58 GMT -5
Got a question.
How many times this season has HC run an effective out of bounds play or beat an opponent to the hoop on a backdoor cut?
Perhaps some posters can recall us doing these "clear indications of effective coaching", but it certainly is not often.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 27, 2022 10:11:05 GMT -5
Got a question. How many times this season has HC run an effective out of bounds play or beat an opponent to the hoop on a backdoor cut? Perhaps some posters can recall us doing these "clear indications of effective coaching", but it certainly is not often. Funny thing--I seem to remember that Sean Kearney actually had some success with inbounds plays-a rare bright spot in that miserable season
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 27, 2022 10:34:58 GMT -5
FHCSK was a master at BLOBS. We got one or two buckets seemingly every game off of these.
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Post by trimster on Dec 27, 2022 10:46:22 GMT -5
Got a question. How many times this season has HC run an effective out of bounds play or beat an opponent to the hoop on a backdoor cut? Perhaps some posters can recall us doing these "clear indications of effective coaching", but it certainly is not often. AS far as an effective oob play, I'd say 0. One of my pet peeves. SHU ran an oob play late in the game that produced a dunk. Meanwhile we keep lobbing it into GG going out towards the free throw line extended. It is maddening.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 27, 2022 11:00:37 GMT -5
Ha-ha-ha. Yeah, really funny! Won't speak for anyone else but would take Sean Kearney over who we have now in a heartbeat - even if the players get disgruntled and threaten to quit. Of course, Sean had the advantage of Ralph's recruits/players his first/only year when he had a 9-22 record. Brett was 3-29 with Bill's recruits and players, then 5-11 and last season had the identical 9-22 record that Sean had with his own recruits/players. But let's take a look at the OOC schedule Sean had on his 9-22 record year vs. Brett's 9-22 record: Sean BrettHarvard RegisSt. Joseph's BC Loyola (Chicago) Quinnipiac URI Air Force UNLV Bryant Western Michigan Mt. St. VincentMarist UNH Brown Central ConnecticutUMass LaSalle Fairfield FairfieldSacred Heart Siena George Washington HarvardStony Brook Central ConnecticutNC State So, 3 common OOC opponents but Brett has had 2 D-3 opponents while Sean went up against UNLV, NC State, URI, Loyola (Chicago), UMass, St. Joe's, etc. Yeah, I'd take Sean even-up. Not that he'd be my first or 100th choice but compared to what we have now, it's a gimme.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2022 11:13:19 GMT -5
Got a question. How many times this season has HC run an effective out of bounds play or beat an opponent to the hoop on a backdoor cut? Perhaps some posters can recall us doing these "clear indications of effective coaching", but it certainly is not often. Carmody’s UOOB plays were consistently effective for many layups.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 27, 2022 11:21:33 GMT -5
Got a question. How many times this season has HC run an effective out of bounds play or beat an opponent to the hoop on a backdoor cut? Perhaps some posters can recall us doing these "clear indications of effective coaching", but it certainly is not often. Carmody’s UOOB plays were consistently effective for many layups. agree maybe it was because he took a team approach to coaching instead of one that just rolls the ball out and hopes a player will create a scoring opportunity
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 28, 2022 10:19:29 GMT -5
You guys all missed the most obvious answer. If I am the coach and I wanted to immediately improve the team, I'd resign.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2022 10:38:01 GMT -5
Ouch!
Cripes! Don't put me in a position of defending Brett Nelson but . . . . .
there is no evidence that Nelson just "rolls the ball out." I only went to the one open practice before the season started but rolling the ball out wasn't on the agenda.
I'll defer to the many, many more experts on here but generally speaking, in Crossporters zeal to have Nelson disappear from Holy Cross in general and the Luth in particular, the hyperbole is running rampant.
I have no question he's coaching and I also have little doubt that he's been trying. Another poster commented to me that he's a square peg in a round hole and while not a basketball term per se, it sure seems to fit (the term, obviously NOT Nelson). He might be a perfect fit elsewhere, just not on Mt. St. James. I sincerely hope he finds the right spot to land. He's not there now.
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Post by hc1998 on Dec 28, 2022 10:44:24 GMT -5
Ouch! Cripes! Don't put me in a position of defending Brett Nelson but . . . . . there is no evidence that Nelson just "rolls the ball out." I only went to the one open practice before the season started but rolling the ball out wasn't on the agenda. I'll defer to the many, many more experts on here but generally speaking, in Crossporters zeal to have Nelson disappear from Holy Cross in general and the Luth in particular, the hyperbole is running rampant. I have no question he's coaching and I also have little doubt that he's been trying. Another poster commented to me that he's a square peg in a round hole and while not a basketball term per se, it sure seems to fit (the term, obviously NOT Nelson). He might be a perfect fit elsewhere, just not on Mt. St. James. I sincerely hope he finds the right spot to land. He's not there now. There's more to coaching at the college level...it is also attracting the right players, retaining the right players, etc. We have seen a number of defections (and that is not a singular Nelson problem, I am sure it is rampant across teams of this level) and I have not seen a marked improvement in our record. I have noted our PL performance has ticked up slightly each year, so if that continues and we can get to, say, .500 in PL this year I may walk back some of my statements/feelings, but do we realistically have a shot at that?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 28, 2022 10:53:05 GMT -5
My comment about rolling the ball out was on OOB plays-- the goal seems to be just to put the ball in play and see what happens-- if somebody sees more than that, I guess I missed it-- wouldn't be a first time for me
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 28, 2022 10:58:00 GMT -5
Ouch! Cripes! Don't put me in a position of defending Brett Nelson but . . . . . there is no evidence that Nelson just "rolls the ball out." I only went to the one open practice before the season started but rolling the ball out wasn't on the agenda. I'll defer to the many, many more experts on here but generally speaking, in Crossporters zeal to have Nelson disappear from Holy Cross in general and the Luth in particular, the hyperbole is running rampant. I have no question he's coaching and I also have little doubt that he's been trying. Another poster commented to me that he's a square peg in a round hole and while not a basketball term per se, it sure seems to fit (the term, obviously NOT Nelson). He might be a perfect fit elsewhere, just not on Mt. St. James. I sincerely hope he finds the right spot to land. He's not there now. There's more to coaching at the college level...it is also attracting the right players, retaining the right players, etc. We have seen a number of defections (and that is not a singular Nelson problem, I am sure it is rampant across teams of this level) and I have not seen a marked improvement in our record. I have noted our PL performance has ticked up slightly each year, so if that continues and we can get to, say, .500 in PL this year I may walk back some of my statements/feelings, but do we realistically have a shot at that? If we get to .500 in PL play, I will be the most shocked poster on this board.
Willard would struggle to get this team anywhere near .500.
And Brett Nelson is no Ralph Willard.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 28, 2022 11:26:05 GMT -5
So are you saying Nelson won't bail on us leaving us high and dry?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2022 12:03:13 GMT -5
It’s very late in the year but your post is my nominee for post of the year!😊✝️👍
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 28, 2022 12:52:36 GMT -5
I read these posts and laugh! This coach gets paid 6 figures to coach a D1 BB program.
1-can’t recuit 2-can’t coach 3-can’t win 4-can’t keep players here 5-shouldn’t be coaching this program any longer
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