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Post by timholycross on Jan 3, 2023 0:03:01 GMT -5
As to the question on the 10 second count.....team has 5 seconds to inbound it (it does not need to be touched but just released in five seconds...) the shot clock/10 second count does not start until there is team control... A shocking number of posts on this. You see this sort of thing in Celtics games all the time. In this particular case, the NBA rules are in sync w/college.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 3, 2023 0:05:19 GMT -5
Very surprised to see the score after watching the first half. The team must have read Dave’s Christmas poem and HC45 post about doing the picks and stepped it up! Nelson has beaten Navy before. But this time on the road! Keep the three point shooting going and the Crusaders will be a top 4 seed. Roy Williams was at the game. Do I still want a new coach next year. Yes I do. 🙃 Beat 'em on the road last year, too.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 3, 2023 0:05:46 GMT -5
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Post by Crosser on Jan 3, 2023 1:45:16 GMT -5
Nice win! It was great seeing Batch play with more confidence and actually get open for a few 3s. The defense we’ve seen the past two games has been like night and day and totally unlike anything we’ve seen before under Nelson. If they continue to bring this defensive effort to every game, the ceiling for season success will be much higher than any of us expected. And if they play this level of defense without getting in foul trouble, very good things will happen.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2023 6:09:43 GMT -5
But he is well behind RJ in driving, drawing fouls, finishing, rebounding at both ends and defending. Possibly passing also. Basically the style of play comparison is far fetched. One third of Joe’s FGA have been threes. RJ did not come near that. Could Octave play a key role on a nationally ranked team ?(such as UConn for RJ ) Just speaking for myself, I only shared what popped into my head when I first heard he was coming here, and I looked at some of his AF highlights. Just in terms of a big guard that was sort of a power driver like RJ. Never took the time to compare numbers; agree he has a long way to go to match RJ's accomplishments. I'm just glad that he appears to have fully shaken off that early season floor slippage injury to his leg. Hopefully the best is yet to come.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 3, 2023 6:16:53 GMT -5
It looks like Kirkwood is earning more trust from the coach, while Wilbar seems to be going in the other direction. Kirkwood himself did not have any numbers to speak of, but being out there at least helped CBN manage the foul situation. We talked about it on another thread, but Kirkwood does not shoot -15 minutes today with no attempts for example. As discussed before- is it due to his reluctance to shoot or because coaches have told him not to shoot? 79 minutes of play with 4 field goal attempts is amazing As long as he is not making mistakes, or hurting the offense by not trying to score, I'm not concerned at this point. Without his minutes a couple of guys might have fouled out early.
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Post by trimster on Jan 3, 2023 8:28:43 GMT -5
Torvik has HC at 342 this morning. Let’s keep rising.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 3, 2023 9:03:48 GMT -5
In KenPom we moved up from #349 to #337
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Post by Tom on Jan 3, 2023 9:46:13 GMT -5
Have we proven that we belong in the top 350?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 3, 2023 10:37:54 GMT -5
Just to add a name...Massey rabks HC at #344.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 3, 2023 10:39:58 GMT -5
Perhaps the best part of the game yesterday was the way we used Gates. Because we rely on him so much for scoring, I thought he found ways to keep his teammates involved by distributing and not forcing shots. Naturally, the play of others made this possible, but he made excellent decisions throughout the game.
I was concerned when Navy went zone because we had Gates cutting to the foul line, and thought we forced it into him too often. He had one or two defenders collapsing on the ball, and we turned it over on several trips allowing them to make a couple of runs. Also, it took away opportunities down low and opportunities to get into the lane and the foul line jump shot. It might work better with Bo or even Dorsey at the foul line/extended and allowing Gates to move along the baseline. Just a thought
I am interested in seeing how Brennan and the staff respond when watching the film and putting together a game plan.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 3, 2023 10:50:46 GMT -5
Could it just be that 47% of the minutes today were from guys who weren’t on the team last year, and it just takes time for the group to come together? This is not excuse making, but rather just why it’s basically impossible to build a consistent winning program when there is so much roster turnover every year. Our top 5 of Gates-Bo-Octave-Batchelder-Dorsey is a well above average pL group if all playing up to their capabilities. But depth and consistency are going to be major issues without being able to keep guys on the bench engaged in the program enough to improve and stick with it, and needing to rely so heavily on a Freshman (very talented player, but still a Freshman). BBC Christmas season is still around so i will say for sake of argument all you put forward is true, what i dont understand is the change to defensive attention and execution that appeared after Christmas, or the improved spacing and better movement without the ball offensively Not sure why or how it happened out of thin air as nothing like it has been seen under Nelson’s leadership But will take the change, hope it can continue, and we can survive a short bench without injuries Regardless, all involved deserve credit for the two game performance Recommend this recent article on John Calipari + Kentucky from The Athletic: theathletic.com/4044709/2022/12/30/kentucky-john-calipari-college-basketball/I have long felt Calipari is a total fraud from an X's & O's perspective, and their roster turnover is caused primarily by guys entering the draft versus HC's being caused by guys entering the portal, but there are certainly some parallels here between Kentucky & HC in terms of the number of issues that have been caused by a lack of roster continuity. Two quotes in particular: “I don’t like the word culture,’’ one coach says. “It’s very vague. We use program. Your program is who you are academically, and what’s expected of you. Your program is how you behave socially, and it’s how you’re going to play athletically. It basically means you have a plan. For guys like Cal, it’s so hard to have a plan when you have so many moving pieces.’’"And you don’t have any leaders that you grew."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 3, 2023 11:25:26 GMT -5
Here you go again
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Post by hcnj on Jan 3, 2023 12:15:38 GMT -5
Other than "what one coach thinks" culture means vs what program means, the conclusion that a coach can't have a plan with turnover doesn't sound right.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 3, 2023 12:19:56 GMT -5
It’s probably been mentioned somewhere but Navy was picked 4th in the preseason poll so certainly a quality W on the road early in the conference season with a very thin lineup.
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 3, 2023 12:27:45 GMT -5
It’s probably been mentioned somewhere but Navy was picked 4th in the preseason poll so certainly a quality W on the road early in the conference season with a very thin lineup. At this point in the season, I do not think we can use pre-season polls to judge whether a win was quality or not (think of it in the reverse...a team picked to finish last could be rolling everybody and be 13-0...would a loss to them be a bad loss simply because they were picked to finish last?) That being said, looking at Navy's schedule and results, I think this can be called a quality W.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 3, 2023 12:58:51 GMT -5
I think all you need to do is check an objective source like KenPom to see that Navy was ranked 100+ places ahead of HC and therefore this was a quality win
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Post by hchoops on Jan 3, 2023 13:20:45 GMT -5
I think all you need to do is check an objective source like KenPom to see that Navy was ranked 100+ places ahead of HC and therefore this was a quality win and to show how little one game means, Navy is still over 100 places ahead of HC.
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 3, 2023 13:31:42 GMT -5
If we are going to be going with this small lineup the rest of the year (not sure there is another alternative), Coach Nelson better spend a LOT of practice time on box out drills.
Navy is not the tallest squad we are going to face in league play and yesterday they got offensive rebounds on an incredible 42% of their missed shots (18 of 43).
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 3, 2023 13:52:47 GMT -5
The possibility (even if remote) of an HC win does complicate this but I welcome the challenge.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 3, 2023 13:58:39 GMT -5
AU is third in the conference in rebounding margin, though 9th in offensive rebounds since their Defensive philosophy prioritizes all defenders getting back quickly to prevent early offense, thus minimizing offensive rebounding.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 3, 2023 14:07:50 GMT -5
Other than "what one coach thinks" culture means vs what program means, the conclusion that a coach can't have a plan with turnover doesn't sound right. I don't think that's the conclusion. I interpret it as that significant roster turnover makes things much more difficult, requiring either increased skill in team-building every year or fixing the turnover problem. The article was about how Calipari has failed to find a solution. We are in the same boat with Nelson at this point.
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Post by hcnj on Jan 3, 2023 17:20:42 GMT -5
Other than "what one coach thinks" culture means vs what program means, the conclusion that a coach can't have a plan with turnover doesn't sound right. I don't think that's the conclusion. I interpret it as that significant roster turnover makes things much more difficult, requiring either increased skill in team-building every year or fixing the turnover problem. The article was about how Calipari has failed to find a solution. We are in the same boat with Nelson at this point. I didn't think I interpreted anything, the coach said it as the closing statement. I would support any comment that says that high turnover makes things more difficult for a coach. My guess is Coach Cal intentionally has chosen that model, get great players who will leave early which begets another like intentioned incoming class. The HC's of bball don't plan on everyone portalling out but by now it can be a reality and we don't have HS all-americans in waiting. I support coach Nelson and hope he has success that gets him extended but I can't divorce the coach from any responsibility for portalling out.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 3, 2023 19:05:46 GMT -5
If we are going to be going with this small lineup the rest of the year (not sure there is another alternative), Coach Nelson better spend a LOT of practice time on box out drills. Navy is not the tallest squad we are going to face in league play and yesterday they got offensive rebounds on an incredible 42% of their missed shots (18 of 43). I think a lot of that goes to HC still learning how to defend in the pressure m2m. They need to rotate sooner, they need to anticipate what will happen in every rotation. I think there is still quite a bit of thinking going on, rather than acting.. The more they play it, the better it will be..
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 3, 2023 19:36:09 GMT -5
🤞🙏🏻
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