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Post by timholycross on Jan 3, 2023 10:57:13 GMT -5
Was at HC on a Sunday afternoon when this was reported during what passed for a scoreboard show after some random NFL game.
"On October 24, 1971, the Lions hosted the Chicago Bears at Tiger Stadium. Late in the 4th quarter, with Detroit trailing 28–23, the Lions were driving into Chicago territory and Hughes, who entered the game as an injury replacement, caught a pass from quarterback Greg Landry for 32 yards and a first down at the Bears' 37-yard line.
Three plays later, Landry threw a pass that tight end Charlie Sanders dropped near the end zone. Hughes, a decoy on the play, began running back to the huddle with 1:02 showing on the clock. Suddenly, he dropped to the turf clutching his chest around the 20-yard line.[3] Hughes collapsed near Bears linebacker Dick Butkus, who saw him begin to convulse violently on the field. Butkus motioned to the sideline frantically to get Hughes assistance.[6]
Both teams' doctors and trainers, along with a physician who happened to be attending the game, ran to Hughes to try to save him. An ambulance was called for and arrived to take Hughes to Henry Ford Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 5:34 pm that afternoon. He was 28 years old. The game was played to its conclusion in front of a now-stunned silent crowd in Tiger Stadium, with the Bears' lead holding. The Lions awaited word of Hughes' condition after the game and the players were informed once word had broken that he was dead."
Unlike yesterday, you'll notice somehow they finished the game, crass as that was (remember thinking that at the time). Happy that the general consensus last night was "fkk it, we're ending this".
Wishing the man has a full recovery.
Hopefully, we can refrain from the type of comments that will definitely get Dean Wormer involved.
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Post by clmetsfan on Jan 3, 2023 16:27:35 GMT -5
Truly horrifying to watch that last night, and despite their denials, it seems that in the moment, the NFL made the mind-numbingly callous decision to tell teams that they had 5 minutes to prepare to resume play after the ambulance left the field. Just when you think that league can't sink any lower, they manage to tunnel down a bit more. Good for the coaches to recognize that their players were in absolutely no condition to resume play, and took matters into their own hands by pulling the teams off the field.
Most of what I've read and heard about the incident itself indicates that it's a case of commotio cordis, which is essentially cardiac arrest as a result of a severe blow to the chest. It's what happened to Chris Pronger back in the 1998 NHL playoffs when he took a slapshot to the chest. Based on that, plus the fact that CPR was administered pretty quickly after he went down, one can hope that Hamlin will survive the episode, hopefully with minimal to no long-term effects from the disruption of blood and oxygen flow.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 3, 2023 16:42:44 GMT -5
Most of what I've read and heard about the incident itself indicates that it's a case of commotio cordis, which is essentially cardiac arrest as a result of a severe blow to the chest. It's what happened to Chris Pronger back in the 1998 NHL playoffs when he took a slapshot to the chest. I don't think it's commotio cordis. The tackle Hamlin made looked to be a pretty routine one without a ton of force -- much different than Chris Pronger who had a 100 mile per hour hockey puck strike him. There are only 30 or so reported cases of commotio cordis each year, and many of them happen to teenagers whose musculature is not fully developed. My guess is that Hamlin most likely had subclinical myocarditis and the spike in adrenaline when making this tackle triggered the catastrophic event. |
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Post by clmetsfan on Jan 3, 2023 16:58:16 GMT -5
Most of what I've read and heard about the incident itself indicates that it's a case of commotio cordis, which is essentially cardiac arrest as a result of a severe blow to the chest. It's what happened to Chris Pronger back in the 1998 NHL playoffs when he took a slapshot to the chest. I don't think it's commotio cordis. The tackle Hamlin made looked to be a pretty routine one without a ton of force -- much different than Chris Pronger who had a 100 mile per hour hockey puck strike him. There are only 30 or so reported cases of commotio cordis each year, and many of them happen to teenagers whose musculature is not fully developed. My guess is that Hamlin most likely had subclinical myocarditis and the spike in adrenaline when making this tackle triggered the catastrophic event. A number of cardiologists would disagree. The impact of the force doesn't have to be like what Pronger experienced. From the Philadelphia Inquirer: And the Detroit News: |
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Post by alum on Jan 4, 2023 8:23:01 GMT -5
Was at HC on a Sunday afternoon when this was reported during what passed for a scoreboard show after some random NFL game. "On October 24, 1971, the Lions hosted the Chicago Bears at Tiger Stadium. Late in the 4th quarter, with Detroit trailing 28–23, the Lions were driving into Chicago territory and Hughes, who entered the game as an injury replacement, caught a pass from quarterback Greg Landry for 32 yards and a first down at the Bears' 37-yard line. Three plays later, Landry threw a pass that tight end Charlie Sanders dropped near the end zone. Hughes, a decoy on the play, began running back to the huddle with 1:02 showing on the clock. Suddenly, he dropped to the turf clutching his chest around the 20-yard line.[3] Hughes collapsed near Bears linebacker Dick Butkus, who saw him begin to convulse violently on the field. Butkus motioned to the sideline frantically to get Hughes assistance.[6] Both teams' doctors and trainers, along with a physician who happened to be attending the game, ran to Hughes to try to save him. An ambulance was called for and arrived to take Hughes to Henry Ford Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 5:34 pm that afternoon. He was 28 years old. The game was played to its conclusion in front of a now-stunned silent crowd in Tiger Stadium, with the Bears' lead holding. The Lions awaited word of Hughes' condition after the game and the players were informed once word had broken that he was dead." Unlike yesterday, you'll notice somehow they finished the game, crass as that was (remember thinking that at the time). Happy that the general consensus last night was "fkk it, we're ending this". Wishing the man has a full recovery. Hopefully, we can refrain from the type of comments that will definitely get Dean Wormer involved.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 4, 2023 9:14:02 GMT -5
An NFL wide receiver running at nearly full speed, turning, and initiating contact with his head lowered right into the chest. It's not a "jacked up" type hit that have some of us cringe, but I don't think you would say it wasn't a hard hit. It looked routine because it wasn't a defender laying a defenseless wide receiver out... but after Higgins opened up his flat route with the ball and went up field, it was clear he was inviting the contact. My eyebrow went up because of the way it was a direct shot to the heart.
There are clips on Twitter and other places I don't care to share of things like martial arts tournament where a punch lands in the chest and similar situation: briefly looks okay, quickly looks unsteady, and then face down non-responsive. It's 100% a case of wrong place, right time, and a hard helmet with an NFL-sized player inside of it doesn't require too much of a wild imagination to deviate on what happened.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 4, 2023 10:28:04 GMT -5
One refrain I've heard several times in the last couple days is when it comes to commotio cordis as a cause, you rule out the underlying stuff first. So, yes, it could be; but it might not. Stay tuned.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 4, 2023 11:37:42 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Jan 5, 2023 11:15:29 GMT -5
The young man seems to be recovering. Per a statement from the team: "While still critically ill, he has demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact. His lungs continue to heal and he is making steady progress. We are grateful for the love and support we have received.” A teammate tweeted that Hamlin was awake. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/05/damar-hamlin-improvement-bills/ |
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2023 11:51:38 GMT -5
The NFL is apparently considering two options for the game itself
1) don't finish the game, effectively making it a tie. This would have no effect on teams being in or out of play-offs, but would have a major effect on seedings and, in Buffalo's case, the likelihood of getting the lone 1st round bye
2) Finish the game on the 8th and push the play-offs back a week. This scenario would include eliminating the week off between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. From a football standpoint that would the Bengals and maybe the Bills at a disadvantage since they would be facing a lower seeded team that had the benefit of a bye week when they didn't
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 5, 2023 14:08:11 GMT -5
The NFL is apparently considering two options for the game itself 1) don't finish the game, effectively making it a tie. This would have no effect on teams being in or out of play-offs, but would have a major effect on seedings and, in Buffalo's case, the likelihood of getting the lone 1st round bye 2) Finish the game on the 8th and push the play-offs back a week. This scenario would include eliminating the week off between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. From a football standpoint that would the Bengals and maybe the Bills at a disadvantage since they would be facing a lower seeded team that had the benefit of a bye week when they didn't Bob Costas on CNN last night said the game wouldn't be played and the playoff seeding would be determined by winning percentage not wins this year. I thought it was a done deal, maybe he was just predicting what he thought was the best solution. |
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 6, 2023 9:13:27 GMT -5
The NFL is apparently considering two options for the game itself 1) don't finish the game, effectively making it a tie. This would have no effect on teams being in or out of play-offs, but would have a major effect on seedings and, in Buffalo's case, the likelihood of getting the lone 1st round bye 2) Finish the game on the 8th and push the play-offs back a week. This scenario would include eliminating the week off between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. From a football standpoint that would the Bengals and maybe the Bills at a disadvantage since they would be facing a lower seeded team that had the benefit of a bye week when they didn't Bob Costas on CNN last night said the game wouldn't be played and the playoff seeding would be determined by winning percentage not wins this year. I thought it was a done deal, maybe he was just predicting what he thought was the best solution. Game definitely cancelled...heard this morning that the competition committee put together a few different scenarios for the playoffs and the owners are to vote on them today...I believe one was to move afc championship to neutral site if it involved Buf or KC, another was to let the 1 seed choose between a bye or home field, and the 2 seed gets the second choice. Obviously Hamlin's situation and the effect it had on his teammates and the Bengals is paramount...but strictly from a logistical perspective, that cancellation wrecked havoc on the playoffs. The winner of that game had a very real chance of being the 1 seed (Buffalo would have needed to just match or do better than KC this week, Cincy would have had it with a win coupled with a KC loss). However, I am sure fans are more concerned with this than the guys in either of those lockerrooms |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 6, 2023 12:44:38 GMT -5
Bob Costas on CNN last night said the game wouldn't be played and the playoff seeding would be determined by winning percentage not wins this year. I thought it was a done deal, maybe he was just predicting what he thought was the best solution. Game definitely cancelled...heard this morning that the competition committee put together a few different scenarios for the playoffs and the owners are to vote on them today...I believe one was to move afc championship to neutral site if it involved Buf or KC, another was to let the 1 seed choose between a bye or home field, and the 2 seed gets the second choice. Obviously Hamlin's situation and the effect it had on his teammates and the Bengals is paramount...but strictly from a logistical perspective, that cancellation wrecked havoc on the playoffs. The winner of that game had a very real chance of being the 1 seed (Buffalo would have needed to just match or do better than KC this week, Cincy would have had it with a win coupled with a KC loss). However, I am sure fans are more concerned with this than the guys in either of those lockerrooms Bengals management group is going crazy over this...we will see what happens. |
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 6, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5
Bengals management group is going crazy over this...we will see what happens. Correct, but not because they once had a shot at the 1 seed and no longer do...its now about their playoff seeding vis-a-vis the Ravens. If Ravens win this week, Cincy will still have a higher winning % than Baltimore. Because of this, Cincy has already been declared the division winner. Yet NFL is contemplating a coin flip to decide who between them would get the 3 seed...likely because this would mean that Baltimore would have beaten Cincy twice and would have won division had Buffalo game been played to conclusion with Cincy losing. Rules clearly state seeding should be based on winning % in event of cancelled game that does not get made up. Cincy will have better winning percentage regardless of Sunday's outcome, so they should not be subjected to a coin toss. |
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