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Post by ncaam on Dec 7, 2016 20:01:10 GMT -5
The stats and effective offensive performance or whatever it's called not withstanding it came down to a missed layup by Charles
and a missed 3-pointer by Malachi.
We did win the second half nonetheless. We didn't give up. That may help us going forward.
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Dec 7, 2016 20:02:12 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 7, 2016 20:02:12 GMT -5
That was awful and pretty much guarantees we'll be back in Dayton after we win the PL tourney. On to Quinnipiac.
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Dec 7, 2016 20:04:15 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 7, 2016 20:04:15 GMT -5
That was awful and pretty much guarantees we'll be back in Dayton after we win the PL tourney. On to Quinnipiac. I like the "when we win" attitude. To me the worst part of today's game is that we allowed Maine to overcome 18 turnovers and still win. We needed to capitalize on that, bad three point-shooting notwithstanding. |
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Post by dadominate on Dec 7, 2016 20:09:08 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that whenever Maine went to the free throw line at the end of the game, nobody on our team was pulling the other players on the team together? Nobody was even saying a word to each other. AT catches a lot of negative comments around here, but he is the closest thing to a leader that we have and we need him out there. A backcourt of Benzan and Ziggy is just not going to get it done. i don't know what game you were watching today, or what program you've been watching the last three seasons in general, but we played better in the second half today with thompson on the bench. more generally, while he is quick and has some other attributes, he simply does not have a leader's constitution. the observations from many posters about his negative body language and sulking when he isn't playing well is something a leader simply does not do in basketball, any other sport, or life in general. not every player has a leader's confident mentality, and that's fine, but let's not make him out to be something he isn't. if there are leaders on this team, which i would agree with your more general point that it is somewhat debatable, it would seem to be some combination of champion, charles, and alexander. benzan also plays like more of a leader and i think we will see that reflected in better point guard play over the next few years. |
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Dec 7, 2016 20:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by hcnation on Dec 7, 2016 20:21:15 GMT -5
Whether AT was in there or not , I would say regardless we would play better in second half against one of the worse teams in division 1.
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Dec 7, 2016 20:33:38 GMT -5
Post by jflare on Dec 7, 2016 20:33:38 GMT -5
This was a bad loss. Hard to get over something like this but get over it we must.
Let's turn things positive with a big win on Sunday. How bad were we tonight. Wow !!!
This was a real downer....
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 7, 2016 20:34:42 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that whenever Maine went to the free throw line at the end of the game, nobody on our team was pulling the other players on the team together? Nobody was even saying a word to each other. AT catches a lot of negative comments around here, but he is the closest thing to a leader that we have and we need him out there. A backcourt of Benzan and Ziggy is just not going to get it done. i don't know what game you were watching today, or what program you've been watching the last three seasons in general, but we played better in the second half today with thompson on the bench. more generally, while he is quick and has some other attributes, he simply does not have a leader's constitution. the observations from many posters about his negative body language and sulking when he isn't playing well is something a leader simply does not do in basketball, any other sport, or life in general. not every player has a leader's confident mentality, and that's fine, but let's not make him out to be something he isn't. if there are leaders on this team, which i would agree with your more general point that it is somewhat debatable, it would seem to be some combination of champion, charles, and alexander. benzan also plays like more of a leader and i think we will see that reflected in better point guard play over the next few years. I was watching the game where the "more of a leader," Benzan, didn't say a word to his teammates in the last 3+ minutes of the game. I was watching the game where we lost to one of the worst teams in the country. Your sample size of one game where we were "better" in the second half than in the first half with/without AT, is largely irrelevant. We were better against Monmouth with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, we were better against Harvard with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, we were better in the PL Tournament with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, and I could go on and on. It's clear that you and your "crew" just think that AT is an anchor on the program and are going to jump all over him every time he misses a shot or breathes the wrong way. My argument is not that AT should be nominated for the Cousy award, but that given what he brings to the table, he should be effective enough to get us where we need to be this year with MA, Charles, and Champion as the primary scorers on the team, and with a coach that is as highly touted as I read about Carmody, who should be able to find a way to use him effectively. Placing the blame for everything that goes wrong in the program on AT is stupid. |
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Post by timholycross on Dec 7, 2016 20:44:09 GMT -5
I'll vote for the kid who was taking charges left and right against Albany. Perfect point guard? No. But that's the kind of kid I want in there.
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Dec 7, 2016 20:44:31 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 7, 2016 20:44:31 GMT -5
Clayton Le Sann played almost as many minutes tonight as he did in the first eight games combined. Unfortunately, it was a trillionaire club performance of epic proportions - in eleven minutes of action, he didn't do anything worth a single notation in the box score. That's actually pretty tough to do.
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Dec 7, 2016 20:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Dec 7, 2016 20:44:58 GMT -5
Was TC on the bench?
Was there a hc fan, student, alum, poster or parent in the stands.
Looked like about 500 in a very nice building.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 7, 2016 20:49:18 GMT -5
I'm all for cutting Anthony Thompson's minutes. The last several games he has not produced at all. If there was an offense or defense less accommodating to his talents I can't imagine one than the one Bill Carmody has instituted. On defense Thompson can man up with anyone in The Patriot League and beyond. Running around in between two taller players at the top of the key is a waste of time for him and Holy Cross that matter. He is very fast; the Princeton offense is very slow.
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Post by dadominate on Dec 7, 2016 20:53:28 GMT -5
i don't know what game you were watching today, or what program you've been watching the last three seasons in general, but we played better in the second half today with thompson on the bench. more generally, while he is quick and has some other attributes, he simply does not have a leader's constitution. the observations from many posters about his negative body language and sulking when he isn't playing well is something a leader simply does not do in basketball, any other sport, or life in general. not every player has a leader's confident mentality, and that's fine, but let's not make him out to be something he isn't. if there are leaders on this team, which i would agree with your more general point that it is somewhat debatable, it would seem to be some combination of champion, charles, and alexander. benzan also plays like more of a leader and i think we will see that reflected in better point guard play over the next few years. I was watching the game where the "more of a leader," Benzan, didn't say a word to his teammates in the last 3+ minutes of the game. I was watching the game where we lost to one of the worst teams in the country. Your sample size of one game where we were "better" in the second half than in the first half with/without AT, is largely irrelevant. We were better against Monmouth with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, we were better against Harvard with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, we were better in the PL Tournament with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, and I could go on and on. It's clear that you and your "crew" just think that AT is an anchor on the program and are going to jump all over him every time he misses a shot or breathes the wrong way. My argument is not that AT should be nominated for the Cousy award, but that given what he brings to the table, he should be effective enough to get us where we need to be this year with MA, Charles, and Champion as the primary scorers on the team, and with a coach that is as highly touted as I read about Carmody, who should be able to find a way to use him effectively. Placing the blame for everything that goes wrong in the program on AT is stupid. not a single poster here is "placing the blame for everything that goes wrong in the program on at". must you exaggerate everything and consistently misquote other posters in your attempt to prove all of your contrarian points, head scratching as they often are? for the record - and i'll put this in asterisks so you won't go your typical route of misquoting and exaggerating - ***at wasn't even in the top 5 reasons of why we lost the game today***. much more important to the team's loss today were the following: we shot extremely poorly as a team, karl charles had a nightmare game, rc and ma were ice cold from the perimeter, we gave up way too many open 3's, we did not secure loose balls on both ends of the floor, etc. etc. etc. that is why we lost... not at. shall i go on? that said, we did play better with at on the bench and the timing of your post after THIS game that at is the only leader on this team is odd, especially since a.) it isn't remotely true and b.) in THIS game we played better with him not on the floor. if your accusation that benzan not talking to his teammates is a sign of poor leadership, how do you explain thompson not even being in the huddle and sulking with his head down after time outs quite often last year? that happened repeatedly, so let's not pretend anyone is making this about one loss today. jave was a great leader. torey was a great leader. hell, serravale was a great leader. after 4 years, this is not in thompson's constitution. it may be in benzan's constitution and we have almost three more years to see how he develops in that regard. |
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Dec 7, 2016 21:18:33 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2016 21:18:33 GMT -5
Horrendous loss-----but I am ever the optimist and hope that we have already seen our three worst performances of the season. We certainly had enough scoring opportunities but just rolled the ball off the rim again
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Dec 7, 2016 21:26:33 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Dec 7, 2016 21:26:33 GMT -5
Was TC on the bench? Was there a hc fan, student, alum, poster or parent in the stands. Looked like about 500 in a very nice building. A reasonable question that no one has answered yet. A simple yes or no will suffice. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2016 21:35:40 GMT -5
Yes. On the video stream, I saw two parents there
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Dec 7, 2016 21:54:36 GMT -5
Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 7, 2016 21:54:36 GMT -5
I'm all for cutting Anthony Thompson's minutes. The last several games he has not produced at all. If there was an offense or defense less accommodating to his talents I can't imagine one than the one Bill Carmody has instituted. On defense Thompson can man up with anyone in The Patriot League and beyond. Running around in between two taller players at the top of the key is a waste of time for him and Holy Cross that matter. He is very fast; the Princeton offense is very slow. Agree.
Thompson gets lots of PT based on his defense, because it's needed, and AT's D is anywhere from decent to very good game to game (though he is much better suited to play M2M than any derivative of zone). His poor offense, shooting percentage, and assist totals (for a starting PG) are however problematic.
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Dec 7, 2016 22:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 7, 2016 22:20:06 GMT -5
I was watching the game where the "more of a leader," Benzan, didn't say a word to his teammates in the last 3+ minutes of the game. I was watching the game where we lost to one of the worst teams in the country. Your sample size of one game where we were "better" in the second half than in the first half with/without AT, is largely irrelevant. We were better against Monmouth with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, we were better against Harvard with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, we were better in the PL Tournament with AT than we were in the 2nd half today, and I could go on and on. It's clear that you and your "crew" just think that AT is an anchor on the program and are going to jump all over him every time he misses a shot or breathes the wrong way. My argument is not that AT should be nominated for the Cousy award, but that given what he brings to the table, he should be effective enough to get us where we need to be this year with MA, Charles, and Champion as the primary scorers on the team, and with a coach that is as highly touted as I read about Carmody, who should be able to find a way to use him effectively. Placing the blame for everything that goes wrong in the program on AT is stupid. not a single poster here is "placing the blame for everything that goes wrong in the program on at". must you exaggerate everything and consistently misquote other posters in your attempt to prove all of your contrarian points, head scratching as they often are? . I don't think there's anything head scratching about the idea that we had no leadership on the floor at the end of the game, and it led to a loss against a really bad basketball team. While you continue to dwell on (and exaggerate) some bad moments from last year, AT is still our best hope for having a floor general that can bring the team together this year. I would love to see the coaching staff working towards helping AT take that roll on (he does have some of the characteristics necessary for it), rather than just ignoring him, as they appear to do much of the time. As I said before, the blame for the lack of leadership is shared between BOTH the players and the coaches, and I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with the culture of the program right now. I don't see a team that is out ther playing TOGETHER for 40 minutes in a way that maximizes our potential. There was certainly a lot of cleaning up to do from the past regime, but I believe that we should be farther along from a culture perspective. There's not a lot of life from the team right now. |
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Post by southernsader on Dec 7, 2016 22:24:18 GMT -5
Give it up, bringback. Dado is destroying you.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 7, 2016 22:31:28 GMT -5
not a single poster here is "placing the blame for everything that goes wrong in the program on at". must you exaggerate everything and consistently misquote other posters in your attempt to prove all of your contrarian points, head scratching as they often are? . I don't think there's anything head scratching about the idea that we had no leadership on the floor at the end of the game, and it led to a loss against a really bad basketball team. While you continue to dwell on (and exaggerate) some bad moments from last year, AT is still our best hope for having a floor general that can bring the team together this year. I would love to see the coaching staff working towards helping AT take that roll on (he does have some of the characteristics necessary for it), rather than just ignoring him, as they appear to do much of the time. As I said before, the blame for the lack of leadership is shared between BOTH the players and the coaches, and I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with the culture of the program right now. I don't see a team that is out ther playing TOGETHER for 40 minutes in a way that maximizes our potential. There was certainly a lot of cleaning up to do from the past regime, but I believe that we should be farther along from a culture perspective. There's not a lot of life from the team right now. Really? Was there a "culture" issue last March? Didn't think so... |
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Dec 7, 2016 22:39:41 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Dec 7, 2016 22:39:41 GMT -5
This is our premier sport?
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Dec 7, 2016 22:47:46 GMT -5
Post by sarasota on Dec 7, 2016 22:47:46 GMT -5
Bad team performance. Bad individual performances. All bad.
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Dec 7, 2016 23:01:19 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Dec 7, 2016 23:01:19 GMT -5
We basically stink at all our sports now....why have you forsaken us Nate Pine?   |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2016 23:41:50 GMT -5
Stop the nonsense
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Dec 7, 2016 23:46:39 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Dec 7, 2016 23:46:39 GMT -5
Agreed....losing to Maine in hoop and 54-14 to Fordham at Yankee Stadium in football is just nonsensical..... |
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Dec 8, 2016 2:59:04 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Dec 8, 2016 2:59:04 GMT -5
There were problems last year "culture-wise." The 4 games in March "cured" that. Guess what? It's baaaaaack. Seemed like a lackadaisical effort for most of the night vs a horrible opponent.
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