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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 3:50:36 GMT -5
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Post by ncaam on Dec 8, 2016 3:50:36 GMT -5
KY, should you really be silencing 87. He's just using different wording than you did when you called our effort embarrassing.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 5:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 8, 2016 5:35:00 GMT -5
Terrible performance. Next. If there could possibly been a silver lining, maybe Ziggy starts getting comfortable again.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 7:28:21 GMT -5
Post by crusader1970 on Dec 8, 2016 7:28:21 GMT -5
Ok....a real stinker.....we all know that. Let's turn the page.
We have 4 OOC games left before we start the PL season and we need to go 3-1. The URI game looks pretty hopeless. But the other 3 are against teams with losing records and weak RPIs. Two of the three are home games and the road tilt is against SHA who Sagarin rates #323.
So....we have a chance of going into the PL at 6-7 and having regained some momentum.
We just need to SHOOT so much better. So many errors and problems will go away if some of those layups simply go in.
Remember.....a team is never as bad as it looks when it is losing....and we are MUCH BETTER than we looked last night.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2016 7:39:11 GMT -5
When I saw Q vs some good team they pounded the offensive glass. Do not know their ranking, but they looked pretty good
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 7:46:51 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 8, 2016 7:46:51 GMT -5
When I saw Q vs some good team they pounded the offensive glass. A trademark of the team for many years. ORB%, D1 Rank in parens 2015-16. 37.2% (7th) 2014-15. 41.1% (1st) 2013-14. 40.0% (2nd) 2012-13. 40.6% (3rd) 2011-12. 41.4% (1st) . . . and top 5 nationally in each of the three seasons before that.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 8:31:40 GMT -5
Post by gks on Dec 8, 2016 8:31:40 GMT -5
This is a mediocre team that had a great post-season run last year. That has skewed expectations.
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Post by Tom on Dec 8, 2016 9:28:13 GMT -5
In addition to the fact that this is a team that finished 9th in the PL regular season, it seems to me that for most of this century, the team has played some of its worst basketball around this time of year. These kids are all students first. End of term papers/exams feeding into finals pull focus away from basketball - both games and practice.
That being said, after URI, there's about a month with nothing to think about except basketball and they should be having their best practices of the year
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -5
Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 8, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -5
part of it on the coaching staff for the culture in the program. Care to elaborate on this?
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 9:33:33 GMT -5
Post by Tom on Dec 8, 2016 9:33:33 GMT -5
I was someplace where I couldn't get video. For those who watched the game, any thoughts on LeSann?
Literally nothing other than minutes to learn from the box score, but it would be interesting to know whether or not he looked lost out there, rotated well on D, etc. The kind of evaluation you need an eyeball for
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 9:37:39 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 8, 2016 9:37:39 GMT -5
part of it on the coaching staff for the culture in the program. Care to elaborate on this? Team lacks a true identity, just watched them lose to one of the worst teams in the country and nobody seemed to care -there was zero sense of urgency in the last 5 minutes, nobody was communicating with one another on the floor. Oh, and the top recruit from last year has disappeared.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 9:43:33 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2016 9:43:33 GMT -5
KY, should you really be silencing 87. He's just using different wording than you did when you called our effort embarrassing. Nope. I called the result embarrassing, but what I believe is nonsense is the suggestion that all our sports stink and that Nate Pine has failed us
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 9:45:40 GMT -5
Post by gks on Dec 8, 2016 9:45:40 GMT -5
Please stop the academics excuse. These are Division 1 athletes. If you can't handle both stop playing.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 9:48:35 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2016 9:48:35 GMT -5
When I saw Q vs some good team they pounded the offensive glass. Do not know their ranking, but they looked pretty good If HC doesn't hit shots, Q will get the rebound in almost every case (as Maine did early on when they already had 14 more rebounds than HC). We just can't miss easy or open shots and shoot under 20 % (actually 0% for the first 30 minutes!) from 3. The defense held Maine 20 points under their scoring average - but our pos shooting offset that. Almost unnoticed was the FT improvement - substantial. If HC goes 3-1 in the next 4 games, things will have calmed down going into the PL season. At 2-2 or worse (and the Q is no easy win) and it will be a long season with away games in the PL Playoffs.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 8, 2016 9:53:11 GMT -5
Care to elaborate on this? Team lacks a true identity, just watched them lose to one of the worst teams in the country and nobody seemed to care -there was zero sense of urgency in the last 5 minutes, nobody was communicating with one another on the floor. Oh, and the top recruit from last year has disappeared.It'd be wise for you to become better informed before you pin this on the program's "culture".
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2016 10:00:46 GMT -5
This is a mediocre team that had a great post-season run last year. That has skewed expectations. I think the team is dramatically improved versus last year but our analysis of it has been skewed by three agonizing losses--games we could have won. We do have to look beyond the stats to make a determination on the team's ability to close games out, but just looking at the offense and defense we see great improvement Last year Offense = #308 with 96.0 pts per 100 possessions Defense= #242 giving up 107.4 points per 100 possessions This year Offense= #246 with 99.1 points per 100 possessions Defense= #165 with 102.8 points per 100 possessions
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Post by hc811215 on Dec 8, 2016 10:04:17 GMT -5
I don't think missing all of these layups and 3-5 footers is a culture thing. The PO is setting the team up for a lot of easy shots. We just have to make them. There is still hope for a good PL season.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2016 10:06:38 GMT -5
I don't think missing all of these layups and 3-5 footers is a culture thing. The PO is setting the team up for a lot of easy shots. We just have to make them. There is still hope for a good PL season. totally agree
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Post by lou on Dec 8, 2016 10:14:13 GMT -5
I think Hchoops talks about concentration. The same shots we miss in the first half of games, we seem to make in the second half. RC a case in point last night. Hope Coach Carmody figures it out soon, by banner raising Sunday hopefully
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 10:22:03 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2016 10:22:03 GMT -5
I think Hchoops talks about concentration. The same shots we miss in the first half of games, we seem to make in the second half. RC a case in point last night. Hope Coach Carmody figures it out soon, by banner raising Sunday hopefully Losing on banner-raising day would be a new low. On the other hand, remembering where we were and then getting a win could be a turning point. One can always hope.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 8, 2016 10:24:42 GMT -5
This is a mediocre team that had a great post-season run last year. That has skewed expectations. I think the team is dramatically improved versus last year but our analysis of it has been skewed by three agonizing losses--games we could have won. We do have to look beyond the stats to make a determination on the team's ability to close games out, but just looking at the offense and defense we see great improvement . . . Defense= #165 with 102.8 points per 100 possessions Not sure I agree that we are seeing defensive improvement at all (our defensive points per possession actually ranks us 209th, btw). It's at least debatable. In looking at HC's defensive performance, there's an interesting divergence that's developed over the last seven games between two key metrics - one that measures "efficiency," and another that measures "effectiveness." What story does that divergence tell, and does it make us more optimistic or pessimistic about the defense looking ahead? "Defensive efficiency" tells us how well a team limits an opponent's scoring (points per 100 possessions, for this exercise). Season to date, Holy Cross has allowed a mediocre 103 pts/100, ranking 209th nationally - but over the last seven games, our defense has permitted a much better 92.3, a level which puts us in the top 50 or so. "Effective Field Goal % Defense," on the other hand, tells us how well we defend shooters. Overall, Holy Cross has allowed opponents a 56.3% EFG, ranking us a lowly 319th in D1 - and over the last seven games, we haven't done much better, allowing 52.8%, or about 250th nationally. Telling, too, is the fact that while we rank near the top, offensively, in assists per field goal (5th), we are virtually at the bottom (343rd) in the defensive measure of that statistic - 2/3 of opponent baskets result from assists. How can we be making such great progress by one measure and not the other - why have we been getting better at limiting points, but continue to be so porous in defending shots? The answer may be that we have improved dramatically our ability to turn over our opponents - in fact, Holy Cross is among the best in the country (14th), getting about one turnover in every four opponent possessions. So the good news is that we have been limiting opponent points by forcing them into a high number of inefficient possessions (turnovers). The bad news is that if we don't turn them over, teams have been very effective moving the ball into good scoring position (high assists) and shooting well from both inside and out - and we've been significantly worse defending inside the arc (322nd ranked). To the extent that stats can tell a story, the tale here seems to be of a defensive approach that has become both disruptive and vulnerable - our aggressiveness, especially on the perimeter, has forced our opponents into a high number of mistakes, but also allowed them to exploit that aggression (overplays, double teams, bad rotations, etc.) especially inside. That may be an inevitable trade-off, but not sure it's one that is working to our advantage now, at least with the current personnel.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 10:25:25 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2016 10:25:25 GMT -5
will many/any students be there Sunday ?
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 10:33:28 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2016 10:33:28 GMT -5
fine analysis,WG i have not seen all the games, but what I have seen confirms much of what your stats indicate in the games/parts of games i have seen, the match up has been far more effective than the 1-3-1. we have not been able to replace EG on the baseline of the 1-3-1
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 10:35:49 GMT -5
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Post by dadominate on Dec 8, 2016 10:35:49 GMT -5
I think the team is dramatically improved versus last year but our analysis of it has been skewed by three agonizing losses--games we could have won. We do have to look beyond the stats to make a determination on the team's ability to close games out, but just looking at the offense and defense we see great improvement . . . Defense= #165 with 102.8 points per 100 possessions Not sure I agree that we are seeing defensive improvement at all (our defensive points per possession actually ranks us 209th, btw). It's at least debatable. In looking at HC's defensive performance, there's an interesting divergence that's developed over the last seven games between two key metrics - one that measures "efficiency," and another that measures "effectiveness." What story does that divergence tell, and does it make us more optimistic or pessimistic about the defense looking ahead? "Defensive efficiency" tells us how well a team limits an opponent's scoring (points per 100 possessions, for this exercise). Season to date, Holy Cross has allowed a mediocre 103 pts/100, ranking 209th nationally - but over the last seven games, our defense has permitted a much better 92.3, a level which puts us in the top 50 or so. "Effective Field Goal % Defense," on the other hand, tells us how well we defend shooters. Overall, Holy Cross has allowed opponents a 56.3% EFG, ranking us a lowly 319th in D1 - and over the last seven games, we haven't done much better, allowing 52.8%, or about 250th nationally. Telling, too, is the fact that while we rank near the top, offensively, in assists per field goal (5th), we are virtually at the bottom (343rd) in the defensive measure of that statistic - 2/3 of opponent baskets result from assists. How can we be making such great progress by one measure and not the other - why have we been getting better at limiting points, but continue to be so porous in defending shots? The answer may be that we have improved dramatically our ability to turn over our opponents - in fact, Holy Cross is among the best in the country (14th), getting about one turnover in every four opponent possessions. So the good news is that we have been limiting opponent points by forcing them into a high number of inefficient possessions (turnovers). The bad news is that if we don't turn them over, teams have been very effective moving the ball into good scoring position (high assists) and shooting well from both inside and out - and we've been significantly worse defending inside the arc (322nd ranked). To the extent that stats can tell a story, the tale here seems to be of a defensive approach that has become both disruptive and vulnerable - our aggressiveness, especially on the perimeter, has forced our opponents into a high number of mistakes, but also allowed them to exploit that aggression (overplays, double teams, bad rotations, etc.) especially inside. That may be an inevitable trade-off, but not sure it's one that is working to our advantage now, at least with the current personnel. excellent analysis. i agree with these points and yesterday was a case study. we had a number of steals due to our unusual presence in typical passing lanes, but we also left parts of the court wide open at times that led to easy looks. time will tell whether those uncovered areas were the result of poor execution or inevitability of our zones. it is probably a little bit of both.
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 10:42:03 GMT -5
Post by lou on Dec 8, 2016 10:42:03 GMT -5
will many/any students be there Sunday ? Thought I actually noticed some non-band member-cheerleader students at the Penn State game last night
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Maine
Dec 8, 2016 10:51:32 GMT -5
Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 8, 2016 10:51:32 GMT -5
Really great analysis, Woo. Thanks.
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