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Post by classof83 on Jan 11, 2023 20:35:49 GMT -5
I have to think the reason Tse is getting so much playing time is so Batchhelder can play the 2. Bo not having a good game
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 11, 2023 20:36:27 GMT -5
The Saders have looked a little tired tonight..Back on their heels on D, not the energy we saw in the last 4 games...Winning on the road is hard..Have to learn how to play on the road...
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Post by cmo on Jan 11, 2023 20:38:40 GMT -5
Bo has struggled on both ends of the court.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 11, 2023 20:41:07 GMT -5
Octave must be out. Made a nice run, but couldn’t keep up the intensity.
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Post by hcnation on Jan 11, 2023 20:43:46 GMT -5
Has Octave scored
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 11, 2023 20:46:38 GMT -5
It actually looks funny seeing a tall kid on the floor in purple.
Not a lot of other chuckles, however.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 11, 2023 20:52:21 GMT -5
Octave must be out. Made a nice run, but couldn’t keep up the intensity. Octave did not score in his 23 minutes. Tough game, but I believe HC can take them in Worcester. Nice to see Will again finding his shot from outside the arc.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 11, 2023 20:52:53 GMT -5
5 points in the last 10 minutes, plus 5 the last 45 seconds.
And in the part of the game I saw (last 16-17 minutes), Tse was our second or at worst third leading scorer. That says volumes. Do not think Dorsey, Octave or Bo scored.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 11, 2023 20:55:37 GMT -5
Dorsey had 3 points and Bo had 4. HC needs more from them. Gates had amazing stats: 24 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks and only 1 personal foul in 33 minutes.
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Post by hcnation on Jan 11, 2023 21:11:43 GMT -5
Gates did most of it in the first 10 minutes of the game
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Post by hchoops on Jan 11, 2023 21:41:58 GMT -5
Lehigh scored 14 points from our 17, seventeen, turnovers.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 11, 2023 23:39:39 GMT -5
Second Half Scoring: Gates 7, Tse 6, Piwko 3, Bo 3, Caleb 1...and Will with the rest.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 12, 2023 5:39:11 GMT -5
All you need to know about last nights' game: coming in, Nolan Dorsey had 17 turnovers for the entire season; last night he had 5 (and no assists).
What a strange offensive game (and not a recipe for success): in the space of about 12 minutes or so of game time, 2 guys scored over half of the teams' point for the whole game. Just crazy.
Octave just can't be right - although he did take 2 charges, I don't remember trying to get to the hoop off the dribble (his biggest strength). And Bo just isn't playing with the consistency you want out of an upperclassman.
Did GG's tremendous start turn the rest of the guys into spectators? Their overall play certainly reflected that.
Well, they need to shake it off. They really could use a W Saturday.......and Lafayette will not be an easy, regardless of their record.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 12, 2023 8:38:38 GMT -5
For HC to be competitive in any game the top 6 have to be 100% healthy and give 100% effort. I think they are not 100% healthy (e.g. Octave), and they are unlikely to be given how many minutes they play and how hard they play. I can't bash them because I think they're doing their best.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2023 9:02:00 GMT -5
Tiredness was not the biggest problem, if at all, last night. There were 3 days between games. 7 players saw major minutes, not 6. 17 turnovers was the biggest. The continued inability to draw fouls was also a problem, as was Nelson’s subbing 3 non scorers at one time in the first half when we totally lost the early momentum which we never got back. Sub then in at different intervals. Giving Tse and Wilbar scholarships after we had tape of their college games was a bad decision.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 12, 2023 9:18:16 GMT -5
Agree but would love to know what options he had to fill roster positions 11 and 12 - is it possible no other academically qualified players in the portal were willing to consider HC ?
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Post by trimster on Jan 12, 2023 9:29:17 GMT -5
Agree but would love to know what options he had to fill roster positions 11 and 12 - is it possible no other academically qualified players in the portal were willing to consider HC ? It is entirely possible. I would say the pool HC recruits in is quite shallow.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 12, 2023 9:43:59 GMT -5
17 turnovers was the biggest [problem]. The continued inability to draw fouls was also a problemHoly Cross is currently ranked 343rd in free-throw rate (FTA/FGA), worse than even the contact-avoidant Carmody years - maybe worst ever in program history.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 12, 2023 10:06:34 GMT -5
I’ve always been a fanatic about free throws—love guys who can get to the line and then convert. We talked in earlier threads about how Nolan Dorsey had gone something like 14 games without taking a free throw . He’s improved this year but his 22 ft attempts is still sub optimal. I like Batch and his overall play seems to be improving but 6 free throw attempts season to date just won’t get it done. Perhaps an unfair comparison but Luc at St Nina’s has 64 attempts so far this season.
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Post by Tom on Jan 12, 2023 10:15:34 GMT -5
Batch has been going to the hole more often the last couple of games. I won't say frequently, but going more than zero
Dorsey also drove to the hoop a couple of times vs Loyola which I thought was uncharacteristic.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2023 10:43:08 GMT -5
I had the same thought as hoops about the substitution patterns. I'll defer to others more expert but is it possible that the coach thinks when 3+/- non-starters practice together that they know each others tendencies better? (I'm know I'm probably grasping at straws here)
Or the theory that a chain is as only as strong as its weakest link so that substituting one at a time means you have a weak link every time?
I'm trying to give him the benefit of a huge doubt.
GG was superman to start the game. Batch did a lot better than usual in the second half. I have wondered all season about Tse. Last night, however, was probably his best game as a Crusader: 23 minutes, 3 of 5 FGs, 6 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists to 2 turnovers, and a steal. He wasn't the reason we lost.
The rest of the team, I struggle to find positives last night.
The ladies, on the other hand, showed tremendous grit to pull out a win.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2023 10:47:07 GMT -5
Concerning lack of free throws, Batch is somewhat understandable because of his size and since his best weapons are the 3 and pull up 2, which he has used very little lately. Dorsey is another story. He shoots only 3s. He is tall and handles well enough. When he penetrates, he very rarely looks for an open pull up or trying to finish at the rim. He looks almost exclusively to pass. Thus minimal free throws. He avoids contact consistently. With two and a half years of college experience, he should be able to attack the rim and/or take a pull up.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 12, 2023 11:19:31 GMT -5
Free throws across the board are concerning --
We get to the line only 23.7% of the time on field goals attempted (343rd).
When we get to the line, we shoot 65.6% there (321st).
This adds up to 14.0% of our points coming from the line (339th).
Given Bo's athleticism and ability to get to the rim, there's no reason he shouldn't be taking 6+ free throws per game.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2023 11:40:26 GMT -5
Free throws across the board are concerning -- We get to the line only 23.7% of the time on field goals attempted (343rd). When we get to the line, we shoot 65.6% there (321st). This adds up to 14.0% of our points coming from the line (339th). Given Bo's athleticism and ability to get to the rim, there's no reason he shouldn't be taking 6+ free throws per game. Considering Bo has taken just 41 FT in 18 games I would accept 4+ per game.
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Post by crusader1970 on Jan 12, 2023 12:05:47 GMT -5
Another observation.....Batch seems to shoot better in the second halves of games....not sure why....but what we saw last night in that 4 or 5 minute 3 point shooting explosion tells me that, as he gets more experience and hits the weight room, we will see some 30 point games from him over the next few years.
On Gates....he's so tough and competes so hard that I think his legs start to tire in the second half of games....I notice that, as the game goes on, he comes down the floor slower. That said, I can't imagine how offensively challenged we are going to be without him next year,
In terms of hchoops comment on Tse and Wilbar all I can say is that I agree wholeheartedly. In my eyes they are not even lower Div I quality players.
Overall the talent and size differential between HC and Lehigh was pretty evident last night. The fact that we were still in the game with 10 minutes to go was very surprising. Where these kids work their tails off and never give up, Nelson has not brought in the type of talent that is needed to compete on a consistent basis even in the Patriot League.
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